Get Over It!

[Ernesto]

Let's quit the whinin' & the cryin' & the bitchin' & moanin'.
Think about what we've witnessed this week, but don't give up the fight. We have been delt a lousy hand but with it comes plenty of usefull clues.
And paleese stay positive: the last thing we need to do is become an embittered "free republic of the left".
Let the DU remain an informative clearing house of news and oppion serving thoughtful and caring people of all stripes.

[ET Awful]

1. Mmmhmmm, get over it, we didn't need democracy anyway. n/t

[LiberalForEver]

18. Well said

:kick:

[still_one]

2. OK

[WindRavenX]

3. I'm not getting over it

This country is going down unless WE do something!

[Behind the Aegis]

8. Suggestions?

Not targeting you, but I have seen lots of people saying "stop bitching," but offer no suggestions or solutions. Some of us are bitching because we are trying to give people a kick in the ass to understand that this "election" has some deadly consequences!

[WindRavenX]

Why did you respond to me?

I'm saying exactly what you're saying :shrug:

[Behind the Aegis]

20. I am sorry

I hit the wrong button! Oopps! Sorry! :toast:

[WindRavenX]

22. NP

I'm easily confused :silly:

[Behind the Aegis]

24. I think we all are, at this point!

This "election" has left many of us shell-shocked! I have seen some really good ideas and thoughts here. Now, we need a strong voice to trumpet our cause!

[hollywood926]

4. You're right. Fascism isn't so bad. n/t

[frustrated_lefty]

5. No, thanks anyway. (n/t)

[Gothic Sponge]

6. "Get Over It!" If only it was that simple

[Lindacooks]

7. That's the same crap from 2000

and the problem wasn't fixed and now we're in hell.

Quit using this tactic. Telling people who have been grievously injured to 'get over it' is abuse. We're not going to stop screaming fraud until there is a real, honest, verifiable investigation of voter intimidation and vote hacking.

[belladonna]

9. I'll keep fighting, but I'll never get over it

And I REALLY wish people would stop telling me to :grr:

[jrthin]

10. Okay. I don't know

why that hadn't occured to me.

[B Calm]

11. Get over it! Sounds like something a RAPIST would say

to his victim...

[Sapphocrat]

37. Bingo. n/t

[Cuban_Liberal]

12. The next person who tells me 'Get over it!' is gonna get pimp slapped!

I do NOT intend to 'get over it', like you suggest! 'Getting over it' would mean accepting second-class citizenship, and that will NOT happen!

:nuke::grr:

[atomic kitty]

21. Its ironic a Cuban like you complains about second class citizenship

Do you think someone like Michael Moore who makes a documentary against Fidel Castro would be able to live peacefully in Cooobah? Please stop this "second class citizen" crap and get over it. We need to work with groups like the DLC and NDN to help forge a new value system for our party. We need to attract more centrist Democrats to our fold.

[Cuban_Liberal]

29. Do you know me?

Obviously you don't, because if you DID, you'd know I was gay. What the FUCK does this have to do with MM or 'Coobah'?

:grr:

[atomic kitty]

40. I referenced MM because I agree with what Lanny Davis said.

Let us be the party of FDR again, not the party of MM.

[Cuban_Liberal]

42. What about the 'Cooobah' reference?

That nothing but PURE bigotry and ignorance.

:grr:

[Name removed]

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[Cuban_Liberal]

45. You know not whereof you speak.

If you were gay, you wouldn't make glib statements like "There are no second-class citizens in this country..."

[atomic kitty]

48. Utter nonsense.

Gays are definitely NOT second class citizens in this country. In fact, they are so in Cuba, where Amnesty International reports "that there are several hundred gays locked up in Fidel Castro's prisons, where homosexuality is still classified as immoral conduct".

{See http://www.npr.org/programs/wesat/000429.milmarch.html}

So once again, you are wrong and ironically so, considering you keep calling yourself "Cuban".

Gays enjoy prominence in Hollywood, the media, in the artistic community, etc. Some of the richest people in this country are gay. So much for your second class citizen baloney.

[Cuban_Liberal]

50. This is NOT about CUBA!

Gays definitely ARE second-class citizens in this country. Did you not notice the 11 anti-gay marriage amendments that passed Tuesday?

Hello????

:eyes::wtf:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

59. You called it right down in ATA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=965894#967412

[Cuban_Liberal]

60. Thanks!

:hi:

[belladonna]

62. Bwahahaha

Kerry voting against Kyoto... somebody needs to do their homework before they troll. I notice he/she/it's still here though.

[atomic kitty]

66. You need to do your homework.

Kerry voted Aye on the Byrd-Hagel resolution (passed 95-0) that stated the Senate would not approve a protocol that exempted developing nations or would do harm to the U.S. economy.

**************************************************************************

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 105th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:
A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate regarding the conditions for the United States becoming a signatory to any international agreement on greenhouse gas emissions under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.

SUMMARY AS OF:
6/12/1997--Introduced.

Declares that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol to, or other agreement regarding, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change of 1992, at negotiations in Kyoto in December 1997 or thereafter which would: (1) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex 1 Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period; or (2) result in serious harm to the U.S. economy.



Vote Summary

Question: On the Resolution (s.res.98 )
Vote Number: 205 Vote Date: July 25, 1997, 11:37 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Resolution Agreed to
Vote Counts: YEAs 95
NAYs 0
Not Voting 5
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Abraham (R-MI), Yea
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Ashcroft (R-MO), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bryan (D-NV), Not Voting
Bumpers (D-AR), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Coverdell (R-GA), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
D'Amato (R-NY), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Faircloth (R-NC), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Not Voting
Ford (D-KY), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Glenn (D-OH), Yea
Gorton (R-WA), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Yea
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grams (R-MN), Not Voting
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Not Voting
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Jeffords (R-VT), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kempthorne (R-ID), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerrey (D-NE), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Mack (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moseley-Braun (D-IL), Yea
Moynihan (D-NY), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Not Voting
Robb (D-VA), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Roth (R-DE), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thompson (R-TN), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

[Cuban_Liberal]

76. Once again, an 'amendment' is NOT a 'treaty'.

That sort of attack on Kerry is straight out of the GOP handbook, from the chapter entitled "I voted for it before I voted against it".
:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[Cuban_Liberal]

73. You know *nothing* about me.

How dare you!

:grr:

[Misunderestimator]

77. No, everything is about Misunderestimating.

And talk about utter nonsense....

[belladonna]

79. Judging by your name

We can only hope that you're nuked by the mods, and soon

[Misunderestimator]

75. Mmmhmm... And all those RICH GAYS in hollywood are so much

more wealthy than all the straight ones... whose social security actually goes to their spouse when they die. And what's with the Cuban bashing? I keep calling myself a woman. And if you think that homosexuality is not considered immoral conduct here, think again. The decision on the anti-sodomy laws are hanging by a thread now, and just the fact that we are barred from enjoying the same rights as heterosexual people means that we are indeed second-class citizens.

Oh... and by the way, some of the poorest people in this country are gay as well.

[Cuban_Liberal]

78. I kinda keep wondering about all the'Coooban' references, as well.

:wtf:

[Misunderestimator]

90. Nothing to wonder about... pure xenophobic bashing it is.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

95. Looks like Toxic pussy has been tombstoned..at long last

guess we just wanted to make sure :eyes:

[Sapphocrat]

93. And of what parallel universe do you speak? n/t

[Name removed]

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[smirkymonkey]

47. Shouldn't you be over at that "other place" gloating about

your boy stealing it again?

If you're a Democrat, then I'm the bloody Queen of England.

[belladonna]

49. Young and naive?

Or a freeper troll? I'm leaning towards freeper troll at the moment

[Cuban_Liberal]

51. *whistles tunelessly* n/t

[atomic kitty]

52. Sure, whatever.

[Cuban_Liberal]

56. Ever hear of the 'duck rule', or the 'smell test'?

"If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then it's probably a duck" is the 'duck rule'. The other is self-explanatory.

[belladonna]

58. Ohh, next thing I know you'll be telling me to do my own research

Quack, quack

[Ann Arbor Dem]

70. Of course there are second-class citizens in the US.

I'm curious whether you live in the US or not. It doesn't sound like it.

[Still_Notafraid]

87. Hannity

said that to,I think we still are the party of FDR,JFK we just have a few new issues.

If you disagree with MM,I think you should read some Jefferson,or some Franklin.

[Cuban_Liberal]

35. Ignorant, bigoted comments have no place here

"Cooobah"?

Are you sure you're on the right board?

:wtf:

[annabanana]

36. SURE....maybe if we keep digging

the hole will get smaller.... sheesh

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

61. Right and according to this post Kerry voted against Kyoto

You aren't even stealth:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=965894#967412

You really need to work on this if you wanna be a secret agent someday

[atomic kitty]

67. Someone needs a dose of reality.

Check out Kerry's vote on SRes98 (Byrd-Hagel amendment) and then come talk to me.

[Cuban_Liberal]

69. 'Amendment' is not a 'treaty'.

Someone does need to check something out, but it isn't US.

:eyes:

[atomic kitty]

71. Maybe you need to learn how the Senate works first.

This amendment basically killed the possibility of the United States Senate ratifying this treaty.

[Cuban_Liberal]

72. I do know how it works.

But thanks for playing.

[Name removed]

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[atomic kitty]

80. Drop your obsession with freepers and other RWers.

Look, I agree Kerry has done a lot to keep Kyoto alive, but it begs the question of why he voted against it.

[Cuban_Liberal]

81. Obsession?

Please explain the 'Coooban' obsession first, will you?

[belladonna]

82. When I see you telling an ENORMOUSLY respected member here

To stop whining about gays being treated like second class citizens and saying things like Cooobah because of his name, I smell right wing troll.

When the very same poster starts bashing Kerry and using right wing talking points in LBN, the smell becomes overwhelming. Deal with it

[Cuban_Liberal]

83. Thank you, belladonna.

:hug:

[belladonna]

88. Anytime, sweetie

:hug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

85. Since you are into repeating yourself, I will too

Kerry voted against that particular resolution because some of the wording in it was not strict enough against China and other developing nations. Throwing a piece of legislation up and taking it out of context is typical.

It's fairly obvious you never watched a single senate hearing in the matter.

[Still_Notafraid]

89. Because Kyoto is flawed

he said that in the debates,but thinks it is important to fix it and pass it with amendments,you dont throw something away as important as kyoto Like Bush did you fix it!

what is it with repubs not understanding the nature of the senate everything is black and white to you guys.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

84. Typical response from someone that never watched the actual hearings

Kerry voted against that particular resolution because some of the wording in it was not strict enough against China and other developing nations. Throwing a piece of legislation up and taking it out of context is typical.

Nice try.

[VOX]

98. "Cuban like you?" Uh, so long!

It wasn't good, anyway.

[cally]

23. I agree completely!

and thanks for the language.

[Cuban_Liberal]

31. YW. n/t

[Trajan]

13. Sheeesh ....

To think a Cub Scout Troop is missing it's mother ....

A well timed and flipped 'Bird' is appropriate here ....

[truthseeker1]

30. How about....

<>

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. hmmm so you like to get hit

and tehn ask for more?

And yuo enjoy it?

No, this election was stolen, get it through yuor litttle brain, it was STOLEN

[cali]

17. No proof,

and my tiny little brain tells me that even with fraud we lost. You don't believe people are idiotic enough to vote for bushboy? You and I live in different countries. Not to mention, the down right lousy campaign and less than stellar candidate.

[Laelth]

34. Campaign was great.

Kerry was great. We ran a strong candidate this year against one of the weakest and worst candidates the Republicans have ever offered. As pathetic as this is to say, John Kerry actually speaks in complete sentences. Bush, quite obviously, does not. John Kerry is a decorated war hero who has served the people in public office for most of his adult life. Bush is a draft-dodger who has destroyed every business he's ever run and who seems to serve only himself and his rich friends. According to the American people, in scientific polls taken immediately afterward, John Kerry won all three debates. The Democrats had more money than usual this time--nearly as much as the Republicans. They fought toe-to-toe in television advertising across the nation. By one count, the Democrats registered three times as many new voters as the Republicans did for this election.

And you know what? None of this mattered! The Democrats still lost. There's nothing wrong with the Democratic party. There's something very wrong with America. If Kerry can't beat Bush, then I don't think the Democrats can win at all. I think we're in for about 20 years of one-party rule unless we fight and win this one now!

-Laelth

[Ernesto]

57. Careful Laeith....... You're getting close to being flamed

for making TOO much sense & being WAY TOO positive!

[graywarrior]

15. Can't......no, won't get over it

The natural progression of my psychiatric disorder is to wallow for 3 days, then slowly roll into lukewarm anger, then uprise into revolution. Get over it? I'm just getting started. Making my plans, contacting activist groups. First group ready to make a stand, I'm there.

[Ernesto]

33. "Making my plans, contacting activist groups"

That's exactly what I'm advocating folks!
Get up dust, yourself off, get back in the game!
Did I waste that $1000 I sent Kerry? NO I DIDN'T. Am I pissed that chimp still sleeps in our whitehouse? Of course I AM. I NEVER EVER suggested that we just all lay down & become good lil' fundies!

[Straight Shooter]

16. Sit up! Beg! Speak! Heel! Fetch! Roll over! Get over it!

It worked so well in 2000, let's do it again!

:eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Please. I remember "someone" telling us

to "stop crying in our teacups" over the last election. Get over it my ass! As long as we have evoting, our Democracy is DEAD. I'll be DAMNED if I "get over it" OR "stop crying in my teacup" this time. No fucking way. When the evidence of voter fraud comes our are you STILL going to say "get over it?" We'll see.

[bostonbabs]

32. "get over it" just like in 2000

...Democrates mobilized in 2004 and the probability is that WE DID WIN....so why would we "get over it".We must stay mobilized.What if 50 million people did get behind this fraudulant election investigation... just like they got behind Kerry....duh....this is not just about the election of 2004 it is about the future of our democracy.Think about the fact that if we do "get over it" the Republican party will have control over every election..our mantra should be "we get it"....we must fight.And hard.

[are_we_united_yet]

25. Ohhhh. Get over it! Now why didn't I think of that?

WTFIWWY?

[WestHoustonDem]

26. Let DU remain an informative clearning house for

exposing how the election was stolen. I won't get over it ever!

[liberalmuse]

27. Ah, the mindless mantra of the right.

The next person who says this to me is going to get a baseball bat in the knee cap, and as they scream out in excruciating pain, I'll just say, 'Get over it!'. Not really, but you get my point.

[indigobusiness]

28. As we face the ovens of intolerance

we are told to "get over it"?

[HoosierClarkie]

38. Wow. I can't believe I am reading this here.

"Let the DU remain an informative clearing house of news and oppion serving thoughtful and caring people of all stripes." I know I haven't been here that long, but isn't DU a place where citizens put their knowledge and resources together for Democracy?

[Still_Notafraid]

91. Well

If we dont do something about the voting machines then Democracy died Nov3 2004,thats why we are fighting this.

Karl Rove said that his goal was to make sure the Republicans have control of the whitehouse for the next 25 years,if you dont fight the e voting now then its over,thats why we are not moving on yet.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Shades of 2000

:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[Ernesto]

65. I got your fuckin freeper hangin between my legs

I've been on this forum since just after it was born, I was a GOD DAMN Viet vet against the war. I shook John Kerry's hand when you were probably still in diapers. I'm a retired fucking UNION man. I sent John Kerry a fucking thousand dollars this year. (how much did you kick down?)

[pink-o]

44. Get over it??? That is complete crap!!!

Maybe Ernesto you don't realise how loaded that phrase is and what you really meant was get ON with it.

Which, by the way is only slightly less insulting!

Listen, on Wednesday, I moped around my house, left dirty dishes in my sink (and I have a Virgo moon--I never let food collect on ANYTHING) had to force myself into the shower and to eat breakfast--in other words, I felt exactly the same as when my ex-husband left me for a younger woman! This is a grief process--we've all lost something we love. You would NEVER tell a brokenhearted friend to "get over it" a day after her relationship went to hell--WTF makes you think you can come here and say the same to us?

As for lying down in submission to those pigs, I can only say sorry--the vaseline just ran out! Let them all Cheney themselves while we work on a grassroots level (since the media route is obviously out of the question) to bring people to an understanding of our own superior morality. Moveon.org haven't accepted defeat, and we won't either:mad:

[Cat Atomic]

46. Yeah! At least the trains will run on time.

And we'll all get really spiffy uniforms. Well- either that or pajamas and free tattoos. But hey! Free tattoos!

[Ernesto]

53. Hey kids: I didn't tell you to join the republican party!

I just suggested that we get up, dust ourselves off, roll up our sleeves & get back to the important work of fighting chimpco @ every turn.
Please allow me to apologise for your collective missunderstanding of the written word.
ON the othr hand, have a nice Sunday flame!

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. On second thought,

I'll "whine, cry, bitch and moan all I want, thank you very much. Why don't you "Get Over" yourself?

[SW FL Dem]

55. I'm not yet ready to Get Over It

I am still angry and hurting. I am truly scared for the future of our country and for my teenage son. Don't patronize me. I'll move on when I am good and ready. I will continue to fight for the Democratic Party. I'm not going anywhere but I don't appreciate being told how to feel right now.

[sundog]

64. Over it?? WTF? Apparently THEY'RE not. We got attacked again this morning-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=967340&mesg_id=967340

[fortyfeetunder]

86. In the midst of my grief, I am glad Bush won.

Just think, Kerry probably thought long and hard about fighting over the votes, compared to what he'd get as president.

A combattive Pug-majority Congress, who would probably block him at every turn.
A shill for Minority Leader
A fucked up economy.
Iraq looking more like Vietnam every day.

He probably thought, I am not winning a damn thing if I win this election. So he conceded...

We all suffer the consequences with the chimp in office for four more years. Maybe the suffering will give everyone a clue that we should have fought harder in 2000 and we best not let this happen again in 2008.

[roguevalley]

92. ah. get over it is the new 'fuck the electorate' buzz word? I will

never get over the fact that elections have become irrelevant in this country. you get over it. sonny.

[MS68]

94. I agree with you...

Who needs freepers and trolls when we have each other? I don't have many posts, so I'm sure I will be reamed for that.

I am so disappointed to see people cursing each other and cursing Kerry. I once said in this forum that even if Kerry lost, I would take heart that there were so many like-minded people out there that felt the way I do. Right now I'm ashamed to be placed in the same category with a lot of the people posting right now.

Yes, we are angry, very angry, but I hate to see people taking it out on each other and blasting Kerry. Talk about ammunition for the freeper cause. See? they'll even turn on each other when the going gets tough.

I keep coming back this week to read the thoughtful posts and seek comfort, but too much of what I've seen here isn't doing that. It's making me very very scared. We have no chance of ever winning again with attitudes like this.

I just finished watching the movie "Iron Jawed Angels". Man..those women had courage and dignity and never gave up. So, far I'm not seeing that caliber of character around here and it's very depressing.

Good luck to all of you. I hope you find some comfort somehow..

[B Calm]

96. We are talking about RAPE, and I'll be damn if I get over it!

[shelley806]

97. You Get Over It...How long do you think DU will survive under B*??? n/t