When Bill Clinton won two terms, was there all this talk of

[democratreformed]

"the downfall of the Repub party" and "splits in the party" and "what they did wrong" and "what they need to do now"? I am already sick to death of hearing how this loss is going to rip apart the Democratic Party and how we are going to fight each other, etc. etc.

[livinbella]

1. Clinton won two elections fair and square

This is something quite different.
BBV disenfranchises Dem voters.
The system has been gamed and Satan is at the helm.
We may never again see a Democratic president in this country.

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. And some here feel we should just "Get over" it.

While others feel we are "wasting our time" with Voter Fraud. :eyes:

[livinbella]

11. If we cannot correct 'voter fraud' IMMEDIATELY we are done

There is no time to lose

[Cobalt Violet]

2. All those who are talking like that haven't factored in the Fraud.

I have a feeling that this was a hack job by someone with red state smarts and we will be able to prove it.

[livinbella]

6. Those investigations will be silenced

This election has been stolen.
Wait till bush loads the courts with partisans.
It will be BBV in every state.
Anyone attempting to insure that every vote is counted will
be sent to prison for treason. Bush ain't gonna play any longer.

[Daisey Mae]

3. No there wasn't

This is just more of LITTLE GROVER Norquist and his mission to destroy Democrats and create HELL on earth.......Don't listen to TV or they will make you NUTZ....That is their job.....remember that....We have to unite...decide on a course and ALL PULL THE WAGON IN ONE DIRECTION.....remember...WE won this elecrion...THEY stole it in a NAZI style coup that was closely related to the 2000 election.

[emulatorloo]

4. Conason - Democrats lost the battle, not the war

well worth reading. . . .a little historical perspective:

<snip>
Democrats lost the battle, not the war
Only people suffering from historical amnesia could believe this election proves that liberalism is dead.


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By Joe Conason


Nov. 6, 2004 |

In the dark post-election mood that lingers, the defeated should find history both restorative and instructive. Restorative because the past reminds us that both victors and vanquished tend to mistake the dimensions of the immediate event, whose true significance cannot be known until years or even decades later. Instructive because the past tells us so much about how the conditions of our present distress came to exist -- and, most important, how we can change them.

So for the moment set aside the triumphal proclamations from the Republican leadership and their echoes in the media, along with the petty recriminations against John Kerry, who has devoted his life to public service and deserves admiration for the honorable campaign he waged against unscrupulous opponents. As a presidential candidate he had his virtues and flaws, which obviously differed from those of George W. Bush -- and will surely differ from those of the next Democratic nominee.

<snip>

http://salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/11/06/history/index_np.html

[Yavin4]

5. Clinton Comparisons Are Inapplicable

Clinton had Ross Perot on the ticket which helped to split the vote. Clinton didn't have a Fox News which lies every day. Clinton didn't have black box voting which cannot be traced.

IOW, the country that Clinton ran in no longer exists.

[livinbella]

8. Silence, there shall be silence!

Bush will spend some of that political capital on
creating SILENCE! This is part of the mandate the American people expect from him!

[democratreformed]

9. So far, all of your responses only point more to the fact that they should

shut the F* up about what is wrong with the Democratic Party. There is NOTHING wrong with the Democratic Party - at least nothing of epic proportions that will make us become nonexistent or drastically change our core philosophy.

[UTUSN]

10. Heck, No, Plus LIMBOsevic Yammered for 8 Yrs, C. "Only " Got 43%

There was NO talk of any "mandate". Yet with an illegitimate Shrub Selection, Shrub wielded power AS IF he had a "mandate" from the start.