Rove says they are going to try for FMA again

[LTRS]

I hope all of you will help us fight this. If they can single out gays and lesbians for discrimination under our constitution they can do it to other groups as well. Our country is being turned into Nazi Germany.

[Lorien]

1. Forgive me, but what is FMA?

[nostamj]

2. Federal Marriage Amendment

"protecting" heterosexuals by creating a secondary class of US citizens...

Heil to the Chimp!

[UNIXcock]

3. Federal Marriage Amendment

[lovedems]

4. ABSOLUTELY!

A big shout of HELL YES!

[Mojambo]

5. They are trying to pound that wedge hard

and completely destroy the Democratic party. I knew they would go back to it.

The D's better come up with a better answer than "Yeah, we don't like gay marriage either but we oppose an amendment..."

[LTRS]

6. Okay, that's it for me

You can go ahead and "not like gay marriage" just like 90% of the public didn't like inter-racial marriage in the 1960's. I am sick of hearing this. Me, my partner, and our 12 yr old son have obviously been misguided in working our butts off for the "D's"

Because the "D's" haven't done jack crap for us, and lots of them voted to make us second class citizens last Tues.

To hell with the "D's" AND the "R's"

[Mojambo]

8. I'm for gay marriage. I like gay marriage.

I just think the Democratic Party has a big problem with this issue. The way they've framed it is an absolute disaster.

They've given Rove and the Republicans a heavy hammer and they are going to swing it hard.

If the D's had come out and supported gay marriage fully when it became an issue I'm not sure they would be in as bad a place as they are today. That sounds stupid to say because it's pretty obvious that the majority of voters disapprove of gay marriage, but it's not.

The Democrats are losing both sides of this issue. They need to stop pulling punches and the only way to do that is to support gay marriage fully and engage in the bloody battle.

[lovedems]

9. I agree with you. The dems *always* preface their stand by saying

I am against abortion but...

I am against gay marriage but...

They need to support it and they need to support it 100%. They will NEVER win the vote of those are backwards looking bigoted assholes. They shouldn't even try. There isn't anything wrong with supporting a womans right to choose or equal rights for GLBT. They need to come out in strong support and explain why it is OK to support such issues! It isn't bad to support justice and equal opportunity and choice!

[tsuki]

7. I'm in...the fight.

President Rove is such a hate-monger.

[kayell]

10. If ya wanna play Nazis, you've gotta pick some one to be the Jews.

Looks like we're it.

What I would give for 30 seconds with that *#$% (just kidding Agent Mike)

[knight_of_the_star]

19. We'll be with you

I know he doesn't like Pagans, and some of his people would love nothing more than to revive the Holy Inquisition to root out the heathens and heretics. Don't worry, if he comes for you, we will stand right beside you and not give him an inch.

Personally if he tries rounding up me and mine or you and yours into camps, I would prefer going down swinging as opposed to lead away quietly.

[goobergunch]

11. They don't have the votes

Last time, the result was

Senate Vote 155, 2004
Motion to Invoke Cloture (60 required)
Motion to Proceed
S J RES 40, the Federal Marriage Amendment (67 required)
YEAS 48
NAYS 50
NV    2 (Kerry and Edwards)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00155

Even assuming all the new Republicans break in favor, the worst we get in the 109th Congress is Yeas 52 - Nays 48, which is nowhere close to 67.

[orwell]

12. No Lose

Here is the "strategery."

They know they don't have the votes. And even if they did it would never get ratified. HE just wants everybody "on the record" so the distorted demonization can continue.

What Rove wants is to further identify those who support equal rights as "obstructionist", or advocates of "special rights", or anti - family, or the ultimate wedge - advocates for the "homosexual agenda."

This is how he operates. He defines the battle so that his people win no matter what happens.

[seabeyond]

13. so rove is just our president now huh

he is the only on i am hearing from since bush elected

[lcooksey]

14. They still don't have enough votes in the Senate

Assuming that all the new Republicans vote for the FMA, and that Obama and Salazar vote against it, they'll have 52 to 47. They need 60.

Personally I don't think they'll bring it up until at least a year from now, closer to the mid-term elections in 2006.

[neverforget]

15. Yep as another reason to vote hate, i mean "morals" and people

will swallow it whole. What a fucked up time we live in.

[knight_of_the_star]

20. They're going to start asap

Keep the base happy and get the time they need to really hammer it home.

[DuaneBidoux]

16. I'm going to make a bold (and perhaps foolish) prediction

It will never happen. Passing a Constitutional Amendment is one of the toughest things to do. The best strategy would be for all progressive states to move forward as quickly as possible with civil union laws. I would even welcome, if there is a state that would do it, a law legalizing marriage between any two consenting adults.

It will take years for the amendment thing to happen if at all, and as states pass their liberalization laws and "things don't fall apart" and start raining "cats and dogs" Attitudes will soften. It happened with the whole racial segregation thing.

Rove is throwing a bone to his Christofascist base.

[Bleacher Creature]

17. A New World Record!!

Bush vowed to reach out to Kerry supporters on Wednesday? Thursday?

I think he even did it again on Saturday.

So much for that.

[Walt Starr]

18. Putting down an amendment requires only 34 votes in the Senate

In teh House we will need only47 votes to keep an amendment from passing, but House seats are far more volitile and thus getting a third in the House will be far more difficult.

We should easily achieve a vote of 34 Senators who hold seats that are not vulnerable to attack in '06.

[ClassWarrior]

21. Can our side attach a rider that criminalizes divorce??

That'd be a poison pill for those fucking Radical RW hypocrites.

NGU.

[flobee1kenobi]

22. Just thinking the same thing^^^^

If they want to follow the bible-make them follow THE WHOLE THING! You can't just rip out a page, follow its advice, and say you follow the teachings of the bible. Similar thing happened to me recently with a repug friend. He said"I voted for bush, but a lot of his policies are not that good". I politely informed him that it is a package deal-Can't have bush without his policies

[ClassWarrior]

23. True dat.

NGU.