OK Its over....Would any one of OUR nominees been better?

[serryjw]

IF they had the same money as JK....MY order


1) Wes Clark
2) Dennis Kucinich( NO WIFE!..a problem!)
3) Al Shapton( all minorites would have come out!)


I still can't embrace Dean for our nominee. He had no military backgound and was from a WHITE SMALL NE State

[Blue_State_Elitist]

1. Let's see here.

1. Wes Clark

2. Wes Clark

3. Wes Clark

4. Wes Clark

5. Howar... no Wes Clark

[Lefta Dissenter]

8. You forgot one:

General Wesley K. Clark :loveya:

[cali]

2. Dean

You're nuts if you think Sharpton would have gotten the minority vote. The guy has more baggage than anyone I can think of.
Dean motivated and inspired the base and connected with people who didn't even agree with him. He cut through the crap and came off as a regular guy. Clark just didn't have the political chops to cut it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. No, because voter fraud would still have been in play.

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[zacho]

4. Sharpton would have been a disaster

Clark and Lieberman probably would have been better. Bob Graham could have done fine.

[indie_voter]

5. We'll never know

Clark was my choice in the primaries. I *think* he could have overcome the "moral issues" stuff. His 4 stars would have gone a long way in innoculating him.

[dansolo]

26. "Moral issues" was a red-herring.

"Moral issues" is codespeak for gay marriage. Unless Wesley Clark was willing to denounce gay marriage, which he wouldn't have done, then he would have been stuck as much as John Kerry was.

[LiberteToujours]

6. It's impossible to know

When we look at the alternatives, we can say, "Oh, they wouldn't have gotten the flip-flopper label, they wouldn't be a northeast liberal". But the Bush campaign would have labelled them with something else. What, we will never know. How well it would have stuck, we'll never know.

[Metrix]

7. If you believe that

(1) They wouldn't have dared to steal the election from Wes Clark.
(2) They wouldn't have dared to steal the election from Dennis Kucinich.
(3) They wouldn't have dared to steal the election from Al Sharpton.

All assuming that any one of them got 60 percent or better of the popular vote against an incumbent during a time of so-called war so that what happened would be obvious to everyone.

[DFLer4edu]

9. I think so

but now it is over. We can look into voter fraud, but as for choosing candidates, it is on to the 06 elections!

[lefthandedskyhook]

10. Not without verified voting and a better support network

Another poster mentioned their "Gatling gun" of attacks on John Kerry. That gatling gun was built over the course of 40 years with untold dollars focused solely on power accumulation. It is that entire machine we are up against, not just media outlet control or issue framing of voting machine fraud. We really can't expect any human being to stand up to that kind of force without a comparable support network. Our network must be developed into a viable adversary, or our candidates are doomed.

Here's one way to fight: If you look at what happened (and is still happening) to Sinclair broadcasting you will see the power of consumer and stockholder outrage. Right now our money is much more powerful than our votes. I am no economist, but it seems that if we can channel public outrage into a truly massive consumer revolt, we can begin to starve the beast before it finishes us off. I think that the public will become more and more angry in the near future as oppression and failures increase. For the moment we still have some freedom on the internet; let's use it to organize a movement and hit them where it matters (economically). All it will take is a unified front.

[Crunchy Frog]

11. I'm not going to say

who I think would have done better.:)

[nodehopper]

17. yes, Wesley Clark could have defeated Diebold Machines with the power

of his mind.

[Bucky]

24. No, he has an even greater power than that...

[nodehopper]

25. lol.

[Laelth]

12. Not necessarily over.

We ran a strong candidate this year against one of the weakest and worst candidates the Republicans have ever offered. As pathetic as this is to say, John Kerry actually speaks in complete sentences. Bush, quite obviously, does not. John Kerry is a decorated war hero who has served the people in public office for most of his adult life. Bush is a draft-dodger who has destroyed every business he's ever run and who seems to serve only himself and his rich friends. According to the American people, in scientific polls taken immediately afterward, John Kerry won all three debates. The Democrats had more money than usual this time--nearly as much as the Republicans. They fought toe-to-toe in television advertising across the nation. By one count, the Democrats registered three times as many new voters as the Republicans did for this election.

And you know what? None of this mattered! The Democrats still lost. There's nothing wrong with the Democratic party. There's something very wrong with America. If Kerry can't beat Bush, then I don't think the Democrats can win at all. I think we're in for about 20 years of one-party rule ... unless we fight to win, now.

-Laelth

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. In the words of my father..."Who gives a fuck about military background?"

Kerry had military background. Dean had supported the lower classes as governor. Sadly our lower classes are not and never will be served the way things stand. No one knows who would have been better. This is just another slam on Howard post. Of course.

[Cobalt Violet]

14. If we dug up and ran Mother Theresa we still would've had...

The election stolen from us.

[nodehopper]

15. I don't think the Diebold machines would have cared.

[LTRS]

16. Nah, Kerry did a good job

Every candidate makes mistakes in a race this long (why do you think Arnold didn't challenge Davis for the real race just months before th recall). Kerry should have addressed the flip flop issue before it became conventional wisdom, but other than that, they ran a good campaign. It's just hard to fight the Nazi party.

[formernaderite]

18. Dean....the fact that...

Rove was cheering him on means he meant to frighten the dems out of voting for him. I don't know that Dean would have won...however he would have left us with a clear message.

[markomalley]

19. my choices:

Dennis Kucinich
Howard Dean
John Edwards

I have a problem with Wes Clark because of his background as NATO Commander. There were a lot of crimes committed under his watch. Not to say that he personally was responsible, but if they are done on his watch...he shares in some of the blame. (BTW, I'm primarily thinking of Kosovo)

[vinny9698]

20. Kerry came the closest

Hell we only lost by a few percentage points against a sitting president during a war. We didn't attack bush like they attacked Kerry. bush, convicted drunk driver, cheer leader during college, recovering alcholic, switched churches several times, failed businesses, his flip flopping, the man was damaged goods, can't even speak English,
In the debates I would have bought up his drunk driving, while I was in Viet Nam, you were drunk driving, and you question my judgement?

[Bucky]

21. There are valid reasons to not support Dean. And then there's your reasons

He had no military backgound and was from a WHITE SMALL NE State

Oh, pu-lease! How can you worry about Dean's demographic liabilities and still claim Sharpton would have done better?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Probably not. But, they would have had more impact.

Kerry was a weak candidate whose IWR vote bit him in the ass. Clark, Dean, Kucinich, Sharpton, Mosely-Braun, would have stiffened the anti-war movement and sorted the wheat from the DLC chaff.

[zmdem]

23. Impossible to know, but

if I had to pick I'd guess Gephardt. Less problems with national security/defense issues and the Iraq war. Traditional Democratic values that might have played better to the rural crowd. Maybe Missouri and Iowa could have been won.

[DELUSIONAL]

27. Come on People -- We won -- THEY stole the election

This is the third election they have stolen.

There is nothing more we could have done -- we had a strong candidate and he ran a nearly flawless campaign.

We did everything we could do -- we supported him with small donations we matched bushie's big corporate donations. We registed voters, we got out the vote.

There was nothing more we could have done -- EXCEPT to get a court order to legally destroy ALL the voting machines.

And there is no candidate we can run who will win ANY OTHER election for Senator (in vote rigging states) or for Prez UNTIL WE GET EVER SINGLE COMPUTER VOTING MACHINE == destroyed.

Mike Malloy does a much better rant -- as does Randi, JG&S, --

How do we prove fraud and get all the voting machines destoyed? This is where our focus needs to be.

By the way I loved Clark for Prez -- but even the great 4 star general could not win in a rigged election.