OK guys.. I think I wanna read the bible as ammunition

[PotatoBoy]

My apologies to Christians.. I have no interest in the bible for pure reasons. I want to know more about its contents so I can throw back verses in fundies' faces when they spout off their arrogant crap. I KNOW there are so many misquoted things that they think are true. One example: "money is the root of all evil." Actually, the Bible says "the love of money is the root of all evil." Not money itself.

The question is..which do I read? There are so many.. Old Testament, New Testament..and probably a bunch others I'm not aware of. Help!

Thanks :)

[juliagoolia]

1. Both..but start in the New Testament

and QUOTE JESUS if you can.

[PotatoBoy]

Thanks.. but..

What if I'm in a debate with a fundie and I quote the New Testament and they say "Ah, but the OLD Testament says.." What am I to say intelligently? I can't just say "well, the New Testament carries more weight". I need a valid reason.

[malletgirl02]

7. Actually the new testament does carry more weight

The New testament does carry more weight, because it is about the New covenant, Jesus teachings as opposed to the old Covent of the old testament.

[GreenArrow]

9. new testament was brought by Christ

their focus should be there. Always focus on Jesus. What Jesus said, what Jesus did.

[wryter2000]

13. Okay

I can't give you verses, but maybe someone more knowledgeable can. I believe Jesus said more than once that he came largely to supplant the Old Testament. If that's so, by definition, a Christian has to respect the New Testament more than the Old.

For example, and I got this from Bishop Spong -- the tale of the Good Samaritan is supposedly about not being heartless and helping people in need. But it's also about disobeying church law. The reason the others crossed the road and went by the man who was in danger is that they thought he might be dead. And it was against Old Testament law to have anything to do with a dead body (unclean). The Samaritan didn't care about that but just went to help.

The message is that the old church law was WRONG. That love was more important than religious rules.

[JNelson6563]

19. they only kept the OT to give credibility to Jesus

You will note the bloodline of Joseph traced in the NT to show Jesus is of the line of King David, but then again, you are also supposed to understand that Joseph isn't really Jesus' father. Get it?

:toast:

Julie

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. exactly! .....read II Corinthians 3!!!

Mosiac Law kills...the New Covenant brings life

2 Corinthians
Chapter 3
1
1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you or from you?
2
You are our letter, 2 written on our hearts, known and read by all,
3
3 shown to be a letter of Christ administered by us, written not in ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets that are hearts of flesh.
4
4 Such confidence we have through Christ toward God.
5
Not that of ourselves we are qualified to take credit for anything as coming from us; rather, our qualification comes from God,
6
who has indeed qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit; for the letter brings death, but the Spirit gives life. 5
7
6 7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, was so glorious that the Israelites could not look intently at the face of Moses because of its glory that was going to fade,
8
how much more 8 will the ministry of the Spirit be glorious?
9
For if the ministry of condemnation was glorious, the ministry of righteousness will abound much more in glory.
10
Indeed, what was endowed with glory has come to have no glory in this respect because of the glory that surpasses it.
11
For if what was going to fade was glorious, how much more will what endures be glorious.
12
Therefore, since we have such hope, 9 we act very boldly
13
and not like Moses, 10 who put a veil over his face so that the Israelites could not look intently at the cessation of what was fading.
14
Rather, their thoughts were rendered dull, for to this present day 11 the same veil remains unlifted when they read the old covenant, because through Christ it is taken away.
15
To this day, in fact, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts,
16
but whenever a person turns to the Lord the veil is removed.
17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, 12 and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18
13 All of us, gazing with unveiled face on the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as from the Lord who is the Spirit.

[StrongbadTehAwesome]

53. according to most Christians, Jesus was the fulfillment of OT law

so the New Testament DOES have more weight (that's why Christians don't keep kosher).


Jesus in Matt 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

in Matt 22:34-40
"Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

[yodermon]

58. I've always wondered...

How does one "fulfill" a law?

[wryter2000]

2. Do you have a few extra bucks?

I just signed up for Bishop Spong's newsletter. www.johnshelbyspong.com

I suspect that he'll give me plenty of ammunition. He's a wonderful Christian in the true sense.

The Bible is so huge, and the fundies have a head-start on you. Unless you have massive amounts of time to devote to the project, I don't see how you're going to succeed.

[proud patriot]

5. Bishop Spong's books are great too

:thumbsup: but the link you gave isn't working

[wryter2000]

16. Weird

It just worked for me.

[Straight Shooter]

46. That's because you're a heathen, Proud Patriot.

:P

You know I'm kidding.

[JuniperLea]

3. do it! do it! do it!!!

read the old and the new king james version.

here is a site that will help you if you happen to know a few words in a verse you already know.

<http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev016.html>

[Starlight]

39. I second that. The blueletterbible.org site is great. n/t

[rawtribe]

4. fundies = old testament

progressives = new testament

[knowbody0]

6. start at the end

revelations 18
gives a perspective to keep in mind

[okasha]

29. Some good come-back passages:

To anti-feminists: read the stories of Deborah, Jael, Rahab, Ruth and Naomi, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Jesus

To anti-gays: read the story of David and Jonathan (and how King Saul said that David would be "twice his son-in-law" if he married Saul's daughter), and Jesus' healing of the Roman centurion's "beloved youth"

To corporatists: read the Magnificat, the proclamation of Mary when Elizabeth recognizes that her very young cousin is to be the mother of the Messiah, read the books of Isaiah and Micah, read all four Gospels' accounts of the minitries of Jesus, who states consistently that his mission is to the poor and outcast, not to the wealthy and comfortable. See especially his parable about Lazarus (a poor beggar, not Mary's and Martha's brother)and the rich man in hell.

To flat-taxers and tax-cutters: Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. . .. Matthew the Apostle was a tax-collector.

To name just a few.

Okasha

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Please visit my website. I have lots of resources there for you!

http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/

[AuntPatsy]

10. Now that's an undertaking that even the hardiest of scholars

have not yet finalized...you have to take into account which version you wish to begin with, you have to realize that many have altered words to fit one's own personal agenda...it's a sticky undertaking because you would have to argue with a certain group that uses your version as their gospel....

you must also take into account that the old testament is what the Jewish people call the only accounting and say, the king James version of even that one is altered I promise you..plus the old testament shows their God in a more vengeful light where the new testament is about forgiveness though Jesus Christ, the son of God...

It really is a huge undertaking depending on who you are arguing with..good luck my friend..

[JVS]

11. Start with the New Testament

Much of the Old Testament is really just a historical narrative of the Jewish people. I don't know how the extermination of the Caananites would be relevant to any argument. Don't get into arguments until you've read a good deal.

[mhr]

12. One Site - WWW.LiberalsLike Christ.Org - It Covers It All

www.liberalslikechrist.org

Scripture after scripture that can be used against the Fundies.

[Sapphocrat]

20. Say, whatever happened to...

LibRev... er, RevLib...? Damn, can't recall his correct username. He was very active on DU for a while.

[mhr]

24. Beaten Up And Worn Down Like Most Of Us - Taken A Break Probably

eom

[EEgrad2003]

14. try reading the beatitudes

A lot of fundies misinterpret some of the things in this passages but if they knew it well themselves, they wouldn't act the way the do.

[kayell]

15. Here's a resource to use while you get started.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

[Jade Fox]

17. Someone posted here yesterday....

a Christian, who said its all about the book of Matthew (liberals) verses
the book of Paul (fundamentalists).

"Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of these the least of my brethren,
you have done it unto me." Matthew 25:31-45

[DarbyUSMC]

18. You can get a synopsis of the books on line somewhere

if not mistaken. "Reading" the Bible shouldn't be done from page one to the end. One book is meant to be read in order to understand another. (For instance -- Revelation will be more of a mystery than it is if you haven't read Daniel.) The Bible itself says that (paraphrasing) the words will mean nothing to the reader who isn't full of the Holy Spirit. Only then will the scales be removed from the eyes and understanding will come. May the Force be with you.

[SmokingJacket]

21. My mother used to torment my religious boyfriend by reading him

passages of the bible that talk about G*d revealing his "hinder parts" to Moses (i think). He's mooning Moses!! she'd screech.

Twisted, I know.

The Bible is great literature, and of course loaded with truly good stuff, but it wouldn't take a lot of leafing for you to find some gems.

Old Testament has more interesting stuff, but the evangelical types tend to pay more attention to the New one.

You can even find editions where J's words are all in red. Makes your J quoting fast and easy!

[Cleita]

22. In my bible classes in school, we were given a lot of

background about the historical times if applicable so that some of the more obscure passages become clearer if you understand the culture of the times. Also, try to read as much as you can in modern translations or if you are a language scholar, the original language it was written in.

The reason for this is the meaning changes with the centuries. So this can lead to errors of interpretation, when the word meant something different to what it means today. This is why the literal, fundamentalist reading of the King James bible is so wrong and they get it wrong.

My favorite Jesus story to throw at fundies is the Wedding of Cana, where Jesus changed water to wine. The fundies think drinking is a huge sin and it really makes them implode when you let them know that Jesus approved of drinking wine.

[sandnsea]

23. totally wrong strategy

As far as I'm concerned. The right strategy is to go back to the list of Republican donors that created the Christian Coalition and those groups. Show that they're frauds. Show how they're manipulating the Christian right to keep monied crooks in office. You'll never win with these people by getting into Biblical wars. That's why we've got 1000 different Christian denominations.

[JNelson6563]

25. Give it a good read

You will note the horror and violence in the OT, much slaughter and injustice, all in the name of bible-god. In the NT it's different, easy on the violence but heavy on the contradictions.

And don't worry too much about this or that version. The differences are subtle among them for the most part. Just hair splitting done to justify doctrine changes, schisms etc. The overall jist of things is the same in all versions.

Lots of luck--
Julie

[lovedems]

26. My poor husband grew up a southern baptist. The extreme kind.

Of course he is the black sheep in his family now becasue he totally rejects all of it but he does know alot about the Bible. He always gets pissed because he says the evangelicals are VERY selective in the Bible passages they rely on and completely ignore many of them.

He grew up in the environment and said it just oozes with hypocrisy. He has a very bad taste in his mouth because of it.

[Sara Beverley]

27. Do not read a synopsis. Read the text. Meditate on it. You will find

that it doesn't say what a lot of RW evangelicals say it says. Be mindful of "context" as well as the "content" who is speaking and who is being spoken to. If you are truly seeking answers you will find them. And you will end up being angry about the way in which the scriptures have been bastardized to suit the corporate evanglical leaders.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

28. When you finish with that might I suggest the Koran?

I have found that to be a handy tool against the "pro-war, they are all evil" mentality.

[amazona]

31. read the four gospels

The four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all you need.

If you want more, Acts is extremely influential but keep in mind that Paul never actually met Christ except in a hallucination, so you may want to take some of his advice with a grain.

If you just start reading the Bible front to back, as I have done, it can get quite tedious with all sorts of irrelevant genealogy and lists of begats that are of no value. I'd keep that stuff for the true Bible hound.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

32. Try the Jefferson Bible

Thomas Jefferson took verses from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and compiled the story of Jesus' life and teachings. He eliminated the duplication and the hocus-pocus.

[qs04]

33. Good resource here

Evil Bible
With goodies such as Deuteronomy 20:10-14 ("What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?"), Deuteronomy 22:28-29 ("What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.") and many more.

Ah, the bible; the reason I am not Christian today. ;)
As for what to read, just read the whole thing from cover to cover. Worked for me, though my memory of it has fadded quite a bit over the years.

[liberalpress]

34. Ask a Fundie what Jesus says about homosexuality...

....the answer is "nothing." Nowhere do the words of Jesus address it at all. It was so insignificant to Him, He said NOT ONE WORD>

[Spiffarino]

35. Yes. It was Paul, who never knew Jesus personally

...who gives fundies their anti-gay ammo. He still didn't say anything about hating homosexuals, just that he didn't like their practices. I still can't find one word in the NT that says we're supposed to hate people...or that God does for that matter.

[mcg]

36. The words of Jesus in the New Testament, for example ...

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:38-39)

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
(Matthew 5:38-44)

As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"

"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
(Mark 10:17-22)

Also passages from the Old Testament and New Testament:

Genesis 4
9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Cain, in fact, killed his brother. The so-called compassionate conservatives' attitude toward to the poor is like Cain saying 'Am I my brother's keeper? They have grossly distorted the teachings of Jesus. If Jesus were alive today they would call him a commie pinko tree-hugging socialist.

1 Corinthians 10
24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

But BushCo wants to give even more tax breaks to the very rich, to hell with the poor.

Luke 10
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

But the 'conservatives' say the poor deserve to be poor because they are 'lazy', often a racial slur is thrown in or implied. Because of the evil trio of Reagan, Bush, and Bush, poverty and homelessness increased. These passages in the Bible don't say anything about first judging people as to whether they 'deserve' to be helped.

It is also quite strange that these creatures, who claim to be Christians, have allied with Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the Korean cult leader (Unification Church, the Moonie cult), so has Jerry Falwell. Moon controls the Washington Times, a right-wing rag. Moon claims that he is the Messiah and has led a 'take down the cross' campaign.

How is it that, for example, environmentalism is supposedly unChristian, but allying with a blasphemer is ok? Environmentalism seeks to not destroy God's gift to us, our precious earth, and thereby not harm others. But they don't like that because it's not 'good for business'. Crowning a blasphemer in the Senate office building however is ok (this actually happened, this year!).

Galatians 6
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

It clearly says ALL men (meaning persons), not just your rich buddies.

Then the King will say to those on his right, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me." Then the righteous will answer him, "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?" The King will reply, "I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me"
(Mt. 25:34-40).

The 'least', that includes the mentally ill, even those that might be lazy. Maybe they are lazy because of their situation. I don't go for giving handouts to those who can work but won't, but they just don't want to help the needy at all. They bear false witness against the poor, claiming those are all 'lazy' (i.e. won't get a job when they can). What evidence to they provide for this accusation?

These 'compassionate conservatives' are against welfare and universal health coverage. Their excuse is that the goverment shouldn't be involved, but that is a flimsy lie, I've heard their bigotted attitude towards the poor and needy. The proof is in the pudding, under their regimes, poverty and homelessness go up.

That's just a start.

[PotatoBoy]

37. Wait...so according to the Bible, gays are NOT an abomination?

Check out this part of my chat with this fundie moron:

(05:06:38) Right. Homosexuality is against nature. It's biologically and anatomically wrong, and not only that, but the Bible, which I believe is the Word of God, says it's an abomination. And as far as nudity goes, I hate gratuitous nudity but I think there is tasteful nudity in films. (I had asked him how he felt about nudity in films.. so he's afraid of the naked human form too.. what a FUCKING BOTTOM-FEEDER)

Anyway. I was a fool! I should've asked him to point out the part in the Bible that says homosexuality is an abomination! According to what you have said, the Bible says no such thing..right?

I'm still pissed off at this guy. Grr.

[Silverhair]

40. He would have answered: Romans 1:24-27 nt

[PotatoBoy]

42. And even that's sketchy...

and it's Paul ranting. Paul sucks! Where in the Bible do we learn that Paul never met Christ except through a hallucination?

[StrongbadTehAwesome]

54. It's in the beginning of Acts

not sure exactly where.

[Bluerthanblue]

50. start with his WRONG assumption

that the bible is = to God-

and ask him if he knows how the bible (as we know it today) came into being- first it wasn't written in english- second, many of the OT words have been mis-translated, - third, if he still believes the bible to be the COMPLETE, INFALLABLE, UNCHANGING 'word of God' then ask him if he has ever eaten shellfish- (lobster, shrimp etc) THAT is an abomination to God- Ask him if he's circumscised- if NOT then he has violated his duty to the God of the OT- if so, he has violated the gospel of grace and is in error according to Paul- who speaks for god in the NT-

Does he wear clothes of 2 different materials? like cotton and polyester, rayon, like a 50/50 sweatshirt or t-shirt THAT is an abomination. Does he touch his wife when she's mensturating? then he is unclean- does his wife wear jeans or any clothing originally designed for 'men'? that's an abomination- Does he beat his children with a rod? it has to be as big around as his thumb- (rule of thumb)

Does his wife braid her hair? wear jewlery? speak up in church or ask religious questions without his permission? then she's violating scripture- (1Timothy is a real pain for us women)

Does he advocate the death penalty for adulterers?

i could continue- but the scripture he is likely refering to is if a man lay with a man as he would a woman it is an abomination-

He would also have to marry his brother's widow, and help her get pregnant, and if he let his seed fall anywhere but in her womb, god would strike him dead-

i nearly lost faith in God because of the bible and it's misuse-
but if a 'force' could created this world, and all that it in it without any help from man, then that force could also make it's will known to man without using such a fallable, and predjucied 'tool'-


sorry for the rant- i'm so sick of how people use 'god' to further thier hate-

[Bluebear]

51. Grr.

[phasev]

38. here's a great bible site

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

[PotatoBoy]

41. That is awesome..very useful. Thank you! n/t

[PotatoBoy]

43. OK, which one of these bibles should I check out??

http://www.e-sword.net/bibles.html

Damn..there's a TON! I have no idea where to start. I'm looking for the New Testament.

[zeemike]

47. I hope I am not duping any of the above

but I don't have time to read i tall

Get yourself a King James Version of the Bible. That is important because it is the best literal interpretation of the Bible that has been made. It is some what jard to understand because it is in old English but if you reading level is at least High school level you can understand it.
And remember that the entire account of the life of Jesus is contained in just 4 book Mathew Mark Luke and John. They are called the wittinesses because it there first hand account of his life that makes up all the knowledge of his life.
The next book, Acts, is the account of the time immediately after the death of Jesus, and the books after it are mostly the letters of Paul to the churches he was administering long after the death of Jesus. And then there is Revelations which you should not even bother with because it is for the advanced studies which as a first timer you are not ready for.
So my point is that you only have to read the first 4 or 5 books of the new testament to understand what Jesus stood for, and you have all the ammunition you need to blow the fundie out of the watter.
And should you engage them you will find that they always counter your point with a quote from one of Paul's books, and you might point out the Paul never new Jesus and ask how it is that the disciple that never knew Jesus is used to contradict the master?
It is also helpful to know that the Old testament is basically the history of Israel and the Jews and it is important to know the history but not necessary to the discussion Jesus and Christianity.
Hope this helps.

[RevCheesehead]

44. Get THE MESSAGE by Eugene Peterson

It's an excellent paraphrase of scripture. Just stick with the New Testament for now. Matthew's gospel addresses the emerging Christian Community in Jewish communities.

Luke/Acts is one of my favorites. Luke proclaims a gospel to the poor, the lowly, those without power, i.e., "the underdog."

If you'd rather have an accurate translation, then get a NRSV - New Revised Standard Version.... Stay away from "the good king Jimmy," its language is outdated and confusing.

I don't think memorizing certain passages (or "regurgitating scripture") will take you very far. Go for the heart of the Message - you know: did Jesus say to Love, or not? What is forgiveness? What did Jesus say about money? (a LOT) about homosexuals (NOTHING).

Good luck, and PM me if you have questions or need help.

RevCheese

[zeemike]

48. i love the KJV

I know it is not as easy to read but it has a lyrical qulaity not found in most other version. And it is a good literal translation
I have never seen a NRSV but I am sure it is good if you recommend it.

[karlrschneider]

45. SEE POST #15 www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

[Bluerthanblue]

49. as an ex 'fundie'

i'm pretty familiar with the bible-

i'd be happy to give you any help rebutting what is being 'passed off' as 'christianity' by the 'right wing'- it's anything but- CHRISTianaty-

it is distorting and smorgasboard pick and choose from the 'bible'- to advance your own bigotry and greed- Christ was not anything like a 'right wing republican'- nor did He entertain 'politics'-

the bible has become 'god' to many- not in it's entirety- but skewed to 'fit' the paradigm of the 'user'-

good luck-

[PretzelWarrior]

52. God, you are such a prick. Now I'm really ticked off at you.

you're just another bible-thumping fundy who won't open his mind.

[EstimatedProphet]

55. Try the entire book of Jonah

Jonah is a book that the Dominionists try to minimize. They only talk about Jonah being swallowed by the whale, and the rest of it I seriously doubt they have ever read. So here's the story in a nutshell:

Jonah is asked by God to go to Ninevah and witness to the population, because they have become evil. However, he refuses, because they aren't Hebrew and he feels they therefore don't deserve to be saved. He tries to avoid it, and god tells him to go anyway. so he gets passage on a ship to run away. A whale eats the ship and spits him out next to Ninevah, and God says get on with it. So, Jonah goes to convert the king. He expects the king to ignore him, but instead the king, upon hearing the word of God from Jonah, goes and puts on sackcloth and ashes, and repents. The whole city is saved. Jonah gets seriously pissed. He walks out into the desert and sits under a tree, which then wilts. Jonah bitches at God that how dare he save a city full of non-Hebrews, since they aren't as good and are icky and everything. God says in effect STFU, Ninevah was his creation too, and there were many souls there to be saved, along with the livestock.

Good story. Really speaks well against bigotry.

[erniesam]

56. potatoboi

this "witness" or "spreading of gospel" or whatever the hell you think your postings are don't count--for your witness to count you need to confess your conversion to us and explain how it has changed your life. For this to count you must say as Jesus said "For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice." You are not testifying YOU ARE MASTURBATING all over the DU.

grr. grr. go away hypocrite

[jonnyblitz]

57. good luck. it's a total piece of crap. n/t

[Moderator]

59. locking.

The original poster of this thread is no longer with us.

Thanks,
DU Mod