if we don't deal with BBV and the media it doesn't MATTER

[Nordic]

who we nominate. It doesn't matter what we stand for. It doesn't matter who we win over. It doesn't matter!

Without dealing with the BBV issue, we could be running Abraham fucking Lincoln and he will lose. We could run George Fucking Washington and he would lose.

Why doesn't anybody get that?

Shut up about who the hell we're running in 2008 and what we should stand for, and fight for democracy itself.

BBV.

The media.

Without dealing with those, you are completely wasting your time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. We coudl be running Jesus himself, he would still loose

I get it....

I fully get it

[AnIndependentTexan]

2. I've been trying to point it out since the results started coming in

[Triana]

3. BBV, the Media and KARL ROVE...

...we have to deal with that first, then worry about who to run.

Agreed. I just added Rove to the list.

[Nordic]

5. well. there will always be the Karl Roves of the world

that's natural. What isn't natural is a GOP controlled media and GOP controlled voting machines.

But I appreciate your mentioning him.

[alittlelark]

4. No sh*t. These are the forces of evil we must fight

DAMN, it's gonna be hard. The foreign media is more amenable to printing TRUTH. They should be the initial focus...once it makes the BBC (via stories in other countries) it general hits the US press 2-3 days later.......with appropriate spin...... sigh.

[Shopaholic]

6. I get it too

and I raised hell about it today with Terry MCAluffe when he made the mistake of sending out that e-mail asking me what I thought. As the saying goes, it's the man counting the votes that decide the election.

[Nordic]

7. in this case, the man hacking the windows XP PC with MS access

something a whole lot of 14 year olds can do.

Unfuckingbelievable.

[prof_science]

22. Hacking?

Does opening an Excel spreadsheet and changing a couple numbers qualify as hacking? God, a freeking chimp could do that (and did).

[jrthin]

8. You need

to keep repeating, BBV and Media equal permanent loss of democracy; many don't get it. DUers and like-minded people need to understand that if we ran Jesus, with BBV and the corporate media of today, Jesus would lose against any shithead rethug. Forget about this perfect candidate, it's the BBV and the Media which we must address, now.

[bobbieinok]

9. this has been obvious since the 2000 campaign ..should be #1 PRIORITY

[pa28]

10. This is the number one issue.

Nothing else matters if we can't even have free and fair elections.

[Lindsay]

11. I agree that these are the two most important issues

(of my long lifetime).

But may I respectfully suggest that telling people with other concerns to shut up is not the best way of conveying the message?

[Zorra]

12. Yep. All else is secondary. General Strike, demand the end of BBV!

Boycott republican corporations and media!

Shut the country down and demand a new election using only paper ballots!

[City Lights]

13. I couldn't agree with you more.

I wonder how many elections we'll have to lose before some people realize this. We've already lost three in a row. Democracy didn't die on 11-2-04. Democracy died on 12-12-00.

[leftofthedial]

14. Paper ballots or we'll never win another election

they turned a 70-30 outcome for Kerry into a win for the little bushturd.

[AndyTiedye]

15. "He Who Votes Decides Nothing. He Who Counts The Votes Decides Everything"

J. Stalin

[Carolab]

16. RIGHT -- PEOPLE, PLEASE

stop getting distracted. THIS IS THE A-#1 priority right now!

If the blasted U.S. media won't cover it except for Air America or (possibly?) The Nation--then as Bev said "we have to be our own press"!

Look at what she said we should do!

Put out signs. Wear them. Make stickers. Tell everyone. Do whatever you can to get this out.

The media have consistently failed us. Don't you get it? THEY WON'T HELP US.

Olbermann bailed.

GET BUSY DEFENDING OUR VOTE.

[faithnotgreed]

18. right on! we need everyone to defend our vote

[Eloriel]

30. Here's a start on BEING the media

A sample letter, a lot of DU links (and I'll be adding more in a little while):

URGENT: VOTE FRAUD? Tell everyone you know -- details
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1337662

[Gothic Sponge]

17. I agree

Keep kicked

[Spazito]

19. Hear, hear!

Unless the election fraud is dealt with, it will not matter who the 2008 Presidential Candidate is, the 2006 'elections' will negate any ability for the minority party to even filibuster republican bills or appointees because the minority party will not have enough members 'elected' to be able to accomplish a filibuster.

[prof_science]

20. I get that, I GET THAT!

In my oh so short time here at DU, and in my 50 or so posts, it's all i've been freeking saying. If we can't reliably count the votes that have been cast (issues of voter intimidation and supression aside), then there is NOTHING else worth fighting for.

But, isn't the republican party the party of Abraham Lincoln???
(never mind, I know, I know...)

[Unforgiven]

21. That's Right!!

I´ve been saying this for the last four years, and all I get are blank stares or looks, like I am nuts.

[The Minus World]

23. Oh yes.

Definitely.

Strategies and game plans are fine to mull over - if the other team plays fair.

We need to either play as dirty as they do (which is fundamentally incompatible with the Democratic party), or we need to tear the whole system down before they can use it to repress us entirely.

Imagine the desperation we would be feeling if this BBV story wasn't offering a glimmer of hope in its development. That desperation will be more fully realized once the story is out and duly ignored by the mainstream media.

We need to channel that emotion into anger; something kinetic that can effect some actual change: whether it be general strikes, non-stop protestation, blacklisting of GOP-donating companies.

And if that doesn't work, we'll have to cross the next bridge with pitchforks in our hands.

[PurityOfEssence]

24. Exactly. And verifiable voting is MUCH more important than anything else

Among all the problems besetting us, nothing matters if voting is not made verifiable.

[KT2000]

25. this is the tipping point

if this is not dealt with now we will have nothing but the United States of Rove serving corporate america.

Eventually everyone will be in on the joke and we will stop elections all together.

[illuminaughty]

26. Democracy Now talked about the BBV investigation

This was on Democracy Now on Link TV and Free Speech TV on Friday.


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/05/1521207

[Baja Margie]

27. I get it

[Nordic]

28. kick

[Joanne98]

29. Exactly. This is NOT a conspiracy theory anymore