In a couple of days, I'll be a member of the repuke party

[leftofthedial]

along with about 120 of my progressive friends.

Can I still visit DU?

[Boomer]

1. Ummm.....

No.

[Polly Glot]

2. Have you been brainwashed, or are you infiltrating it?

In other words...

WHY?

[leftofthedial]

12. I'm committed to giving them EXACTLY what they voted for

The most vulnerable of them will be easier to target from within.

I also believe their coalition is fragile--the religiously insane, the gun nuts and the anti-gummint racists have little in common. From within, it may be easier to accelerate the inevitable splitting of one or more of these factions.

Plus, if enough of us join, we can moderate their positions from within.

It will take some serious acting, but less than my other change--joining a fundy Xtian "church."

[quaoar]

15. Are you now a loyal viewer

of The 700 Club as well?

if you're going to pull this off, you'll need to be able to talk with knowledge about things like NASCAR. Who's your favorite driver?

[leftofthedial]

20. Dale, even though he's gone to heaven

#3 still kicks ass

I'll have to settle for Jeff Gordon now, I guess.

[leftofthedial]

23. the 700 club is great stuff

Pat and the little bushturd ahve the same barber apparently, have you noticed?

[PretzelWarrior]

17. ummm...you want to split them AND moderate them? hmmm...

well, good luck. Just remember this: "you become your environment".
So unless you have some stupid-retardant clothing or have a constant umbilical cord to this site and other progressive thought resources...you may slip right down the slope and be stuck in the muck.

[leftofthedial]

22. stupid-retardant clothing

LOL!

almost redundant

[leftofthedial]

25. with any luck, we'll be able to help ditch BBV in my state

AND possibly change the ass who is sitting in on House seat and one Senate seat.

[Polly Glot]

24. You are a braver soul than I. Just remember

these people are complete IDIOTS.

My neighbor, who just took down her Bush/Cheney sign T0DAY, told us a few weeks ago that even though she had reservations about the Shrub, she could never vote for Kerry because "he'd have us all speaking Muslim."

I mean, how do you react to the depths of such utter stupidity that is their shallowness of thought?!? I just hear stuff like that and my mouth drops open, and nothing will come out. I'd rather try to reason with a brick wall.

[leftofthedial]

26. I'm pretty imaginative

I think I could find enough ways to make that cow's life so f**king miserable that she'd be begging to speak Muslim (LOL) within a year.

[Polly Glot]

28. LOL Would love to see that!!

[leftofthedial]

30. stay tuned

we intend to have some fun.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

31. Are you recruiting? n/t

[leftofthedial]

35. I encourage all progressives to do the same

if that counts as "recruitment."

[GodHelpUsAll2]

37. I'm there with you

[truth2power]

48. Ummm...how does one speak Muslim???

[Polly Glot]

50. My point EXACTLY!!

People like my neighbor are too ignorant to know the difference. They don't bother to inform themselves of anything besides what is regurgitated on right-wing radio. I'd rather try to reason with a brick wall than people like that.

[Warpy]

29. Judo

That's when they push, and you give them a little tug in the same direction, then stand back as they fall flat on their faces.

Good luck to you. You've got the right idea.

[leftofthedial]

38. judo is exactly what we have in mind

:evilgrin:

[are_we_united_yet]

32. Its actually a brilliant idea.

But I wouldn't have posted it as it dilutes the effectiveness somewhat.

[erniesam]

40. the road to hell is paved with good intentions

For what it matters, you are making a mistake. The best way to fight them is for all decent people to maintain clarity of vision and purpose--you risk losing that. Right wing propaganda is based on distortion of truth and reality and that is what makes it so insidious. Don't how easily so many of us were deceived after 9/11 or how many of us backed the invasion of Iraq after both Clinton and Albright vouched for their lies.

[leftofthedial]

42. trust me erniesam, there is NO F**KING WAY I will lose clarity of vision

Think of me as an undercover spy and saboteur.

I'll be fanatically committed to my ideals long after you guys lose your anger from the election.

I'm a die-hard progressive, WAY left of left, brought up in the military. I can take care of myself AND my principles.

[kysrsoze]

49. You absolutely rock. I'm awed by your sense of duty.

Kick their asses!

[Sara Beverley]

44. Now you're talking. The ranks of Republican voters will swell and

there won't be a damn thing they can do about it. We will vote in closed primaries to pick their candidates (this is exactly what the "Dixicrats" have been doing to the Dems for over 30 years.)

Hold your nose and re-register. Then contribute to all Dem causes.

[leftofthedial]

47. I think we all should re-register as repukes

perhaps all of us in the very close "red states."

[peterh]

45. Sounds kinda dangerous…..

While they can be nasty to liberals…..they literally cannibalize within…..I would recommend giving that brain-fart a serious review….

[struggle4progress]

55. If you've joined a fundy Church, you may be interested in ...

... my new project: Christians demand the Year of the Jubilee. The Bible says every seventh year should be the year of the Jubilee, and all debts should be forgiven. It's the Christian answer to crushing credit card debt. Yes, we want Congress to pass legislation erasing all debts every seventh year! It's Biblical!

[bigwillq]

3. Why are you going to do that? (nt)

[belladonna]

4. Ummmm

Wanna elaborate a little on WHY?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Why the change?

Have you ditched your progressive values?

[leftofthedial]

16. nope

I'm still "leftofthedial"

[NMDemDist2]

6. i was registered repub for years so I could vote in their primaries

hope that is your plan too......

[xxqqqzme]

11. when it is to the Dems benefit

I change my registration -

I changed it to vote 4 bill simon so he would run against Davis in the general - lot of good it did. I got steroid boy instead.

[leftofthedial]

18. more than that

I'm going covert

[PretzelWarrior]

7. I had thought about doing that too. I want to infiltrate their little cave

of wonders. I want to figure out a way to get into all of the Swastika-waving rallies, etc.

But...I just don't think I can bring myself to do it.

[Cleita]

8. Err, progressive and Republican? Oxymoron?

Could you be a little more specific?

[leftofthedial]

19. most of them are stupid

and easy to pursuade and corrupt

[nonconformist]

9. I did that once to vote in the Michigan primaries in 2000

A LOT of Democrats did that. And it worked - McCain won Michigan and Bush had a tantrum. It was fun.

[Spiffarino]

10. I get it

Great idea. They've been doing to us for years. Fuck 'em. And hard.

[carpediem]

13. the only way to be sure your vote counts

I think we should all register as republicans. Then how would they know who to challenge? or steal votes from?

edit oops there actually was more text so I took out the n/t

[leftofthedial]

14. not only that it counts, but that it counts more than "one"

actually, the cheating machines corrupt your votes based on who you vote for, not what your affiliation is.

[carpediem]

21. this is true, but they are less likely to set up

corrupt machines and challengers in areas with more republicans than democrats.

how sad, that it would probably count more than once and that doesn't even sound like a joke, it should, but it doesn't.

Plus if we all registered as repubs it would really mess with their heads.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

27. If you eventually get hired by the Bush Administration

please take a tape recorder with you everywhere you go and take plenty of notes. A hidden video camera would also be nice. I will expect a "tell all" book founded on real evidence including the recording of many private moments when Bush and Cheney are not being all that "Christian-like" behind closed doors.

[bemildred]

33. Yeah, infiltrate us.

:-)

[baby_mouse]

57. Spooky!

Have fun.

[whalerider55]

34. well...

i thought about that, too.

i grew up in NYC, where there used to be a lot of "Rockefeller Republicans; progressive on social issues, sensibly conservative fiscally, able to work with even the most conservative southern democrats... Javits, Rockefeller, Richardson and Broooke, in MA.

there is no place for them any more in the republican party, but they don't have the spine to switch, because of how rove has painted the democrats.

in the end, fight'em locally, on the state. Take back each county. It took them forty years to trash democracy, it will take a long time to win it back.

good luck. but remember... you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. to paraphrase a previous post, you are what they eat.

whalerider55

[Samantha]

36. I think you can still visit here even as an Republican

but you have to ask Skinner for the undercover password you use when you login.

[TXDemGal]

39. I'm thinking about changing my registration to Repuke

so I can vote against all incumbents in primaries. That will be the extent of my infiltration, however.

[erniesam]

41. the road to hell is paved with good intentions

For what it matters, you are making a mistake. The best way to fight them is for all decent people to maintain clarity of vision and purpose--you risk losing that. Right wing propaganda is based on distortion of truth and reality and that is what makes it so insidious. Don't forget how easily many of us were deceived after 9/11 or how many of us backed the invasion of Iraq after both Clinton and Albright vouched for their lies.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

43. I don't see why not

From the DU Rules:

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals.

You won't be changing on the inside, you'll just be a progressive with red stripes on the outside.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

No mention of banning progressives who disrupt conservatives. I think you're good to go.

I think your plan is very sharp. Good luck!

[Ladyhawk]

46. I can't be dishonest.

I could try to drive a wedge between the Republican factions I know personally. That would include my family. I've thought about it before...probably I should start a thread about it.

All I'd have to do is tell the truth to both halves about what they've been hiding from one another. They confided in me without asking me, so I don't feel obligated to keep their secrets.

Secret # 1: My extreme right-wing brother is an atheist, a greed monger and an Ayn Rand worshipper.

Secret # 2: My holier-than-thou fundamentalist mother harbored a fugitive and probably had an affair with him.

Tell Secret #1 to group 2; Tell Secret #2 to group 1, FUCKING RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

51. Good luck, hon! Don't forget to go to church and cut yer hair and

all that good stuff!

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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

52. Why not?

During the 60s, right-wing operatives infiltrated left-wing activist groups and started splitting them up from within, encouraging infighting and increased violence.

I'm too disgusted by them to join them even to sow complete discord, but remember to buy a little microrecorder and keep a journal.

But not a blog.

Go deep.

[crispini]

53. Oh, jeez. Brilliant idea.

I wish I could do it. But I'm afraid I just SCREAM liberal: hair, clothes, house, lifestyle. Not sure I wanna change all of my stripes in order to go undercover......

[htuttle]

54. Sure. That worked REAL well for the Log Cabin Republicans

That's one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever heard. The time for that is long, long past.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

56. Oh yeah

because the Log Cabin Republicans were REAL deep undercover, weren't they? I mean WHO knew they were gay???

And btw, the Log Cabiners really ARE republicans. leftofthedial really WOULDN'T be.

I'm not about to do what he is proposing, but who am I to discourage a little or a lot of division among an already fracturing republican party? Anything he can do to help that along is fine by me.

[69KV]

58. Good luck

..you'll need it.

Honest advice? I wouldn't waste my time.

My own efforts are going to be toward getting the good people still trapped in that party, moderates, principled antiwar conservatives, whatever liberal Republicans are still left, and so on, to leave the Repukes and join us. Then let the Repuke ship sink and take down the neocons and religious right with it.

[m berst]

59. thinking the same way

I noticed a very curious thing back a year ago talking to people in a very Republican rural area I was working in. Conservatives were far more receptive to progressive ideas that Clark and Kucinich were proposing than Democrats were. From ending the war, to NAFTA and WTO, to repealing the Patriot act, and on and on. Kerry supporters just shreiked and screamed at me as a "purist" or "delusional" or "too radical" but not the every day Republican voters. Many would have voted for Clark - no question - but could never, ever consider Kerry. Why is this?

Talking to some Republicans over the weekend gave me some clues. By the way, everyone should know that most Republicans held their nose and very reluctantly voted for Bush, according to a couple of pretty highly placed people I talked to. They saw Kerry as such a bad choice that anything would be better. Democrats cannot imagine this. I know that I didn't understand it until last night.

As I tell Republicans about the theft of the election, they are ready to put their lives on the line to investigate and over turn this election even though "their guy" won, as a matter of patriotic principle and moral values. They asked me where the average Dem is on that issue, and I sadly had to tell them that the Dems are debating how to "remake" and "reframe" themselves to have more appeal to the electorate, and making plans for 2008 and arguing hair-splitting platform issues.

Having moral values means being willing to take a stand somewhere on something. It has now been proven to many people in the country once and for all that the Democratic party is hopelessly corrupt and immoral by two things - the failure of the party to oppose the war; and the failure of the party to contest the election. Even the most conservative Republicans would join Dems on those two issues.

Since the Dems failed to oppose the war - and NAFTA, WTO, the Patriot act and on and on - it is hard for people who aren't dyed-in-the-wool Dems to see just what it is that the party DOES stand for. Had the Dems opposed the war gay marriage and abortion would not have been factors in the election. Since Republicans had no other issues to vote on, and even though they know that Bush will not advance anything they want, they made a protest vote for Bush in desperation. Most of them do not want to persecute the GLBT community, nor do they want to roll back women's rights. They went to extremes to get people's attention because they see NO standards or values being promoted by the Democratic party. They hear the party talk a good game, but fail again and again to take courageous stands on principles. Talk is cheap.

"Practicality" and "electablility" are seen as just expediency. And all of the talk about how to appeal to "them" - you know those stupid fundie red neck idiots - do Dems not realize that this message is seared into the brains of half of the population who feel pandered to and patronized by a bunch of moral lepers and hypocrites?

Many Republicans can repeat for me word for word every slanderous and hateful thing that has been said here about Southerners, fundies, repukes,etc. etc. It is embarrassing, and damned hard to defend the party I have been loyal to for 35 years. They ask me - so this is the party of tolerance and peace and civil rights? The party that won't go to the wall to protect the vote? The party that can't decide if it is against the war? The party that sees anyone who would vote Republican as some sort of inferior life form that needs to be re-educated?

Failing to contest the election is the final nail in the coffin for the party, and unfortunately for the country as well.

It is really sad watching Democrats engaging in the equivalent of making dinner plans for when they land in New York while the Titanic speeds closer and closer to the iceberg.

Even if you don't believe that surrendering the vote is the end of the line, talk of the future of the Democratic party is completely absurd, becaus the party now looks as though it WILL do anything to be "electable." That leaves patriotism, moral values and principle to the Republicans, and Bush has taken advantage of that.

Most activists have been seeing all of the evidence they need for years now, and it is clear and irrefutable that we are on the verge of fascism. If people still can't connect the dots, I am afraid they never will be able to, short of experiencing it directly through a lot of pain and misery.

Perhaps they are just too far removed from the reality of living in a police state and what a collapsing society would mean. Maybe it is not real for them and they no longer have sufficient creativity to imagine it.

It is the last chance. Do people think that we will have more freedom a year or two years from now? More chance to expose the regime? More security and resources? More of a voice? More access to the media? More solidarity? All of those go downhill from here on out.

This is as close to falling as this adminstration will ever be. All of future American history hangs on whether or not the people contest this election.

After this, there will be no peaceful way to stop it, and maybe no way at all until we have experienced unimaginable devastation.

If progressive cannot work within the Democratic party - and STILL after having suffered through this ABB Kerry campaign that we warned and warned fellow Dems about, and yet we still cannot be heard, then there is no sense in staying where we aren't wanted and can't be effective.

[Tsiyu]

60. blaming Democrats is easy for you

You'll make a great Republican!

We actually WON, friend. Imagine a foot race, where you are a mile ahead of your challenger and then someone steps out of the bushes and breaks your legs, so the other guy wins.

Our message DID get out.

Our Candidate gained my deepest respect when he publically took a stand for me - a woman - by saying he would not support a partial birth abortion ban unless it did all it could to save the life of the mother. As a woman of childbearing age, that resounded with me. He stood for much, but Koolaid drinkers only hear the endless loops of bullshit Rove craps out daily.

You can read it how you like, this is how I read it. There ARE people here trying to investigate the voter fraud. Where are your Repuke friends you say would investigate? Only patriotic if Myassuh says to be? Like the media?

I am sick of Dem bashing. WE got robbed. Our nation, because of Republicans, stands for NOTHING>

But, leftofthedial, I applaud your efforts. Keep us posted but be VERY discreet!

[m berst]

61. clarify your response for me please

I don't understand your response. I presume that "you'll make a great Republican' was intended as an insult.

I am not seeing any "Dem bashing" in what I posted, although I think that it is entirely appropriate to analyze what may have gone wrong without being accused of being the enemy, or constrained to say only nice things about the party leadership. Reporting how the other side sees things does not meant that I agree, and finding the reasons why people would vote Republican can only be valuable it would seem to me.

There must be something in my post that led you to see me as "them" - the enemy. You have identified very strongly with the party leadership, it seems, and see anything else as being in the enemy's camp. I have felt that way for 35 years but am now beginning to question the effectiveness of the party leadership. Not in betrayal, rather in fidelity to my beliefs.

I certainly hope that the election is overturned and I have been surprised by how much resistance there has been to this among Dems.