Everyone Stop Freaking Out!

[slinkerwink]

I am absolutely disgusted at the threads I've seen here. Threads about giving up, threads about wild conspiracies of hacking the vote (I grant you that there are a few voting irregularities but that's not enough to steal the election), and threads about moving to Canada, and etcetera, etcetera.

Everyone, get on your bearings! Stop freaking out! You know why the Republicans succeed? They don't freak out like we do, and they don't engage in a lot of navel-gazing and what-ifs. We have to buck up, and figure out a plan on how to take our country back from those Republicans.

A few days ago, I was all ready to give up, but I'm determined to fight back! I will spend the next four years of my life entirely dedicated to beating this Bush administration and making sure that the Republican party will be in tatters by the end of the Bush administration's second term. I am doing this because I want my children to grow up here, and I am doing this to protect my family from these Republicans.

I will NOT yield one inch on my political beliefs, and I will not cede the religious right to claim my political beliefs as their own without having the legislative actions to back them up. I am going to fight because our forefathers fought against oppression, and I still believe in the potential that this country engenders upon us if we are determined AND disciplined enough to stay on message, and to fight for our country.

[Randi_Listener]

1. Voter fraud does not fucking equal "freaking out"

Go read and come back. Then we'll fucking discuss it.

[BayStateBoy]

5. Well Put.

[slinkerwink]

6. I said that I know about the voting irregularities but over 200 threads on

it is rather overkill.

[Randi_Listener]

16. Are you aware of the logic extrapolation of this is?

You're talking about NEVER having a fair fucking election and NEVER having a Democrat controlled branch of government, if this all pans out to be true.

[slinkerwink]

22. then don't be hysterical about it in the forum

be proactive! Talk to your state legislators, and get local support as well as local media atteniton on this.

[Randi_Listener]

26. I already have. Donate some shit to BlackBoxVoting.org

Also, send a goddamn letter to your US Congressman and get the
fucking ball rolling.

[slinkerwink]

28. I already did fer chrissakes

[sangh0]

32. Congraulations slinkerwink

You are now being baptized into the phenomena where when you make a reasonable statement, people come and assume you have all sorts of extreme positions. Say something they don't like, and you are assumed to be against everything they believe.

That's how someone who doesn't know you can asume you've never given to BBV. You pissed them off. You did the unspeakable. You asked that they stop spewing hatred.

[slinkerwink]

36. I find that to be somewhat ironic

[sangh0]

40. Join the club

When you catch your breath, stop by the bar.

[hlthe2b]

This is one of the most important issues we are likely ever to work on....

and those threads you find excessive are one very good way to ensure all DUers (new and old alike) do find out the latest on what is going on and what they can do to help.

Your intentions may be good, but to equate the work being done to uncover election fraud with whining/moaning, escapist expatriation threads, or random conspiracy theory is really a slap in the face to people like Bev Harris and others here who are working so hard on this issue. This is a critically important issue and our findings may be the only hope for the kind of change that wll be required to ensure valid elections for the future.

Please rethink your harsh criticism of your fellow DUers, Slinkerwink. It is really, really missplaced, IMO.

[Itchinjim]

11. Fucking Randi_Fucking_Listener,

You Fucking use Fucking the Fucking word "Fucking" to Fucking much. Fucking please Fucking tone Fucking it Fucking down. Fucking O Fucking K?

[Randi_Listener]

21. No.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. If BBV is not adressed

good luck you can run Jesus Christ for all I care, I guarantee you will loose.

[slinkerwink]

13. It's important to address BBV

but over 200 hysterical threads about it is NOT productive. Get off your ass and make sure that your state doesn't have it, bring it to the attention of your state legislators, and just be proactive about t!

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Nice, I have... in case yuo wonder,

not taht you care or it matters to you

Many an email to the Secreatary of State here in California

Why do yuo think we had these machines DECERTIFIED?

Care for some salt now?

By the way, I am still making noise, and will continue to make noise

My list includes things such as... participating as little as I can in this economy and deifintely going local for my needs,

Now what exactly are YOU DOING?

[Maat]

3. Well said. You've inspired me.

I had my cry, Nov. 3rd, as I have said. But I have decided to approach this from an issue point-of-view. I'm going to join the orgs and financially support the orgs that address the issues that I thought that a Kerry/Edwards administration was going to address.

That's where I'm starting anyway.

[slinkerwink]

14. good for you! I'm proud of you!

:-)

[noiretextatique]

4. republicans steal elections, and democrats let them

that's why they "win." as to the rest, i agree, but i am not conceding another stolen election.

[slinkerwink]

9. good, don't concede....

just fight back by pushing forth local candidates, and asking for a state initiative on e-voting with paper trails on your next ballot vote. Take the initiative to do that instead of crying about it in over 200 threads here.

[noiretextatique]

27. some people are still working on this election

if you cannot support them...that's your choice. but to call their hard work "crying" is an insult.

[slinkerwink]

30. Over 200 hysterical threads on the same subject gets tiring

Of course I support the work they do, not the hysterical crying about it here in this forum.

[noiretextatique]

34. where is this hysterical crying?

i do it see it coming from the folks who are suggesting we abandon every principle and sell out gays and women, but i haven't seen it from the people working on the fraud issue.

[slinkerwink]

37. I suggest you look at the forum, and the other general discussion forum

[noiretextatique]

38. i know what you mean...but it is not coming from the people working

on the possible fraud, is it? just suggesting you get clear on that.

[slinkerwink]

41. that's why I'm telling them to stop freaking out

;-)

[noiretextatique]

46. but...i am not freaking out

so, i guess i should say: i agree with you :D
i am a true believer...i do not believe another fraud will be accepted. if it can't be proven in time to change the results, then i'm onboard with working to stop them in 2006. until then: hope springs eternal :hi: carry on...this is a good message.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

43. Slink, you are right, but...

Everyone deals in their own way and time. This has been traumatic. For all of us. Let the catharsis happen and die down naturally.

There have been too many recriminations amongst us already. I want to see it end. That said, if only 25% of what is collected data is true, then Josh Marshall will have to rethink his usage of the words "tectonic shift". That tends to make people freak as well.

We each have our own coping mechanisms. Each in his or her own way.

[slinkerwink]

49. I want us to unify together and work towards building a better country

that's why I want to harness the potential of those here on DU to work for the general good.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

50. It's being harnessed, friend.

Welcome to the process called "Healing".

Yick. It's yooglee.

[Eloriel]

59. There's no way to "unify" when

people like you are dismissing, insulting, patronizing and preaching at those of us who KNOW that this election was also stolen and are simply trying to pull together the information, data, analysis and game plan to try to save democracy while we still can.

It's one thing to be ill-informed on the subject OR more content in denial than reality (whichever fits), it's another entirely to pontificate as if YOU have "the answers" (hint: you don't) and treat those of us working on the problem derisively.

So your call to "unify" is -- well, insulting in and of itself, given your dismissiveness of the issue and those discussing it. You would probably do well to go actually read those "200 hysterical threads" you apparently are rejecting out of hand.

IOW: go unify yourself.

[Cleita]

18. ...

:thumbsup:

[whirlygigspin]

7. Good for you!

but don't start crying in four years when your BBV machine starts counting backwards.

Just act cool, insha'allah.

yup.

[slinkerwink]

19. Are you doing something about BBV

instead of being hysterical about it here?

[KittyWampus]

44. Your Characterization Of Those Investigating Election Fraud Is Erroneous

I've been logging on and off for days and haven't seen any "hysterical" threads on the subject.

Just lots and lots of information gathering and sharing.

[leftofthedial]

8. we should all be as proactive as possible.

there IS more than a little hysteria here on DU right now.

BUT

If we don't fix the BBV problem (whether you believe fraud was a problem or not), there will never be another legitimate election in Murka.

[Mr_Spock]

10. Oh, and republicans DO freak out.

They were freaking out on election day when they tought that THEY were losing. Most here are having fun discussions and coming up with future strategy - we do have a bit of time to do this. I do wish we would ignore the few people who do "freak out", but this being an open board, that's hard to avoid.

[Cleita]

12. Well, my money is moving to Canada, not me, for awhile anyway.

I recommend others do the same before Prezidunce Bush spends his capital, which means our capital. I know you have forty years ahead of you to fix things. I don't anymore.

[hlthe2b]

15. How do you know there is not enough fraud to "steal the election?"

We are just at the start of detailing what went on. I don't think any of us know for sure the extent......

Whether it changes the election outcome or not, these investigations are 1)deadly serious; and 2) critically important if we are EVER to have faith in this or future elections?!

I can't help but think you do a major disservice to your colleagues who are spending countless hours and their own $$ trying hard to document the extent of problems in this election. Our future right to vote and any chance to ensure a fair election, may well depend on it. Your comments denigrate their efforts.

[rockydem]

17. Well said

I'm joining some groups that are actively opposed to the Bush admin - like the ACLU and environmental groups. I may even go work for one.

[slinkerwink]

20. I'm proud of you! You are setting an example!

:-)

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. Well said

I've read three posts here flamimg you so let me add a voice of sanity. People are understandably upset. Hopefully this will subside in a while.

If there is fraud it should be investigated. But I see more anger directed at our fellow Democrats than the Repukes. This is absurd. What I find interesting is much of it is generated by people with few posts. Can you say "Lurkers and trolls"?

So I agree with you. EVERYONE STOP FREAKING OUT

[slinkerwink]

25. good! stop the infighting!

[KittyWampus]

45. Well, If The People Who Know Jackshit About BBV Would Stop Trying

to suggest that Elections can't be stolen via paperless e-voting when the exact opposite is true... then maybe we can stop "in fighting".

[Gelliebeans]

24. with all due respect

I think voter irregularities are not the same thing as conceding defeat and moving to Canada, If the threads bother anyone they can always ignore them. As for the people who have had it and are willing to move away, I know you are scared we all are scared but somehow we have to keep fighting.
One last thing if there is voter fraud (which I don't doubt) if we ignore this for fear of looking like we are sore losers than we truly lose especially the new voters that registered to vote under the guise that their vote counts. just my opinion

[soleft]

29. "Nothing's riding on this

Just the first amendment, the constitution, and the future of the nation."

Ben Bradlee - All The President's Men

I just watched it. If you haven't seen it, rent it soon.

[slinkerwink]

31. I saw that----great movie!

That's why I'm determined to take this country back from the ratfaced Republican party.

[welshTerrier2]

39. my favorite movie

what could be better than an entire movie watching Nixon get taken down ... wait, don't tell me, how about a similar movie with bush as the main character ...

[slinkerwink]

42. oooh! I'd pay money to see that!

[flaminbats]

33. amen..

Republicans will self-destruct, just give them a little time. The longer they remain in control, the less likely that party shall rise from the grave which they now dig for themselves. Religion, labor, and business will again flock to our side..because we know people are not Gods and never will be. The Religious Right are not humans who believe in God, just humans who believe they are Gods.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

48. You are right.

I have seen these behaviors before. In people on the edge of Crash&Burn Abyss. They are acting like a bunch of coke heads who just found a 25lb bale of ether-washed peruvian soapbar on the beach. Well, found it two hours ago, if you know what I mean.

[Baja Margie]

47. I'm not freaked out

Maybe you need to go read Bev Harris's thread.

[Walt Starr]

51. Well said!

:thumbsup:

[YNGW]

52. Oh, let them freak out.

I can't be the only one enjoying reading the comments lately.

[Snivi Yllom]

53. agreed, lets throw out the current party leaders who are devoid

of leadership and our message.


We were right about Dean BTW.

[jsmacdonald]

54. [e-mail]

Good for you!!

Don't yield an inch, and make them take every inch they want from us.

One way to start is by coming to DC the week of January 15 - January 20.

To get announcements, please send a blank email to [e-mail]

[Aristus]

55. Well said, slink.

For my part, I'm getting even more involved in the anti-war movement around here. Maybe we can get the Chimp impeached.

[mmonk]

56. One problem I have

is that I have a child with disabilities and what's left of legal protections and any level of compassion are both in jeopardy and I'm not sure the majority out there cares.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

57. I'm not freaking out

but I definitely disagree with you on the election issue.

All you have to do is read all the documented stories that have come out (and remember, these are only the stories we KNOW about) to come to the conclusion that, in all likelihood, this election was stolen via dirty tricks, certain races in 2002 were rigged, and 2000 was rigged.

This year the rigging happened in more places than in 2000. Just my opinion.

Withouth getting this issue settled, everything else is pretty much academic. I mean, how can we even go forward if we don't have any assurance of clean elections?

[Bridget Burke]

58. I'm surprised that you use the word "hysterical"

Don't you know it's source? "Hysteria" is a profoundly anti-feminist concept.

[NoPasaran]

60. Thanks, slink

Last night I got together with some of my friends from the Entity Formerly Known As Austin4Kerry to discuss how we're going to restructure our group and apply all the lessons we've learned this election cycle to the next---and expanding our success beyond Austin. Keep those grassroots growing!

[GreenPartyVoter]

61. Sorry, slink, but the election was rigged.

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