Why i have a problem with Cafe press

[donheld]

tell me i'm wrong but check out these products and tell me if you think we should support a company that sells these products
http://www.cafepress.com/shoptheright/



Now i'm all for free speach but should we support a company who plays against us?

[Randi_Listener]

1. Fuck 'em in the ear.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. What you said!

[toddzilla]

2. they sell anything...

you can make a shirt in like five minutes..

it's called free speech, regardless of the message.

[donheld]

5. That's why i'm asking about it

i want free speech but i don't like companies to take my money and use it to stab me in the back. www.seeyageorge.com plays only 1 side.

[high density]

3. They sell stuff for both sides

Most businesses that want to make money have to do that.

[jpgray]

6. Better boycott paper--I hear it carries a lot of Bush/Cheney stuff as well

Seriously, Cafe Press just provides a platform for whatever logo/slogan you choose to put on the shirt.

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Looks like the "don't blame me" is the first and last thing

I will ever buy from these people. I won't support a place that makes a profit off of killing and the chimp.

[arcos]

8. CafePress allows ANYONE to sell ANY kind of products!!! n/t

[Book Lover]

9. Cafe Press is nothing more than a Kinko's

I myself have used them - all they do is provide the mechanism and take their cut. I don't know anything about the corporate structure, so there may be some contribution information that is relevant, but to boycott them based on what is sold through them is not.

[donheld]

11. I have bought from them before

and maybe i will again. I guess it's good that they are an Equal Opportunity Offender.
I just thought i'd run this by everybody to get other ideas.

[Democat]

10. If they censor one side but not the other, then worry

As long as they allow free speech for both sides then what's the problem?

[sarahlee]

12. Not Union Made either

I've written letters to these two organizations asking them to set up a Cafe Press type deal that would sell Union made goods.

http://www.sweatx.net/
http://www.northernsun.com/cgi-bin/ns/customs/union.html

I'll gladly pay a bit more for the Union Label.

Write and tell them you would too.

[pen dragon]

13. I have no problem with it

No different than a TV network running campaign ads from both sides.

I'd boycott them if they only allowed Bushlovers to create and sell stuff.

[silverpatronus]

14. cafepress just prints what whoever owns the particular store wants...

i don't buy from them anymore, but that's because they lie about their international shipping time. 7-10 days my ass! try 4 months!

[The Minus World]

15. Nah.

The message may be odious, but the blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the creator; not the company providing the template.

We could tumble down quite a slippery slope if we choose to retaliate against anyone providing a medium for free speech, regardless of political proclivity.

Imagine overhearing right-wingers saying the same exact thing about a "Somewhere in Texas, a Village is Missing its Idiot" shirt, and deciding to boycott. Would it be a petty gesture to you?

Imagine that, from their point of view, they are boycotting because they believe it is morally right to do so.

Same with your opinion. You believe it would be morally right to withhold business from this company, due to their suspect practices in allowing bigots to print idiot shirts. You are right in opposing the message, but you are wrong in imposing your idea of what is "right" on others.

In that way, we must ascend beyond the pettiness of the Republican party.

[radfringe]

16. cafe press doesn't "own" these

people set up shops using cafe press to produce/sell their products
there are also NON-POLITICAL stores
there are many "anti-bush" stores on cafe press too -- mine is one of them

http://www.cafepress.com/radicalfringe