Proctor and Gamble still

[Q3JR4]

being attacked by right wing Christian groups for their support of gay rights legislation. Come on gay DUers, let's get their back.

[progressiveBadger]

1. Moral dillemma

I don't know if I can back P&G. They perform frightening amounts of animal testing.
Please convince me otherwise, as I would love to start using crest again.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

3. Who would you prefer they test on?

People?

[progressiveBadger]

6. Yes

Many other companies test their products without using animals. There are many studies showing the uselessness of testing products on non-humans.

[DrWeird]

7. Not true.

Animal testing is very much required. No company would be spending money doing it if it wasn't.

[progressiveBadger]

8. Then what about...

Aveda
Paul Mitchell
Estee Lauder
and many many others?
I can't complain about P&G testing products that are required by law, but in many of their product lines, they test on animals because it is CHEAPER. That is what I have a problem with.

[DrWeird]

12. Cheaper than what?

What's the alternative to animal testing?

[phasev]

10. they don't have to test

If they spent some effort in doing simulations and more research then they wouldn't need to test but they want to save money.

- P&G are also republican contributors from what I understand.
- IBM also provides benefits to gay employees and their partners and they are one of the biggest GOP contributors.

But most of these corporations are Paleo/Neo Cons and not Christo Cons so they aren't as concerned with the issue of morality they just want no government regulation of their business and no taxes.

[DrWeird]

13. Simulations?

you can't simulate animal testing.

[K-W]

5. Include your concerns about animals with your support.

Supporting them on this issue is not the same as supporting everything they do.

[progressiveBadger]

9. True.

I was thinking on the perspective of supporting through buying products, but I can definitely support some of their views.

[fudge stripe cookays]

2. They're not on OUR side either.

P/G not a good company to patronize. Other DUers have mentioned it before.

FSC

[K-W]

4. It isnt about a blanket endorsement.

Contact P&G, support them on this issue. Feel free to throw in problems you have with thier policies to. Say you are encouraged by thier policy on this and encourage them to work towards the right policies, and say that when you shop, you are careful about which companies you give your business.

You dont need to sell out to encourage a company on one issue. We cant afford to ignore these battles, even if the battlefield isnt one we'd prefer.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. Read this!

Chapter -III- Race Hygiene: Three Bush Family Alliances

Snip>

Dr. Clarence Gamble, heir to the Proctor and Gamble soap fortune, was the sterilizers' national field operations chief.

The experiment worked as follows. All children enrolled in the school district of Winston-Salem, N.C., were given a special `` intelligence test. '' Those children who scored below a certain arbitrary low mark were then cut open and surgically sterilized.

We quote now from the official story of the project


In Winston-Salem and in Orange County, North Carolina, the field committee had participated in testing projects to identify school age children who should be considered for sterilization. The project in Orange County was conducted by the University of North Carolina and was financed by a `Mr. Hanes,' a friend of Clarence Gamble and supporter of the field work project in North Carolina. The Winston-Salem project was also financed by Hanes. '' <`` Hanes '' was underwear mogul James Gordon Hanes, a trustee of Bowman Gray Medical School and treasurer of Alice Gray's group>....

The medical school had a long history of interest in eugenics and had compiled extensive histories of families carrying inheritable disease. In 1946, Dr. C. Nash Herndon ... made a statement to the press on the use of sterilization to prevent the spread of inheritable diseases.... MORE

http://www.tarpley.net/bush3.htm

Go read the entire thing and wonder what these monsters might have made some of their soap out of! Did they use their Buddy Adolf's secret recipe?