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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:35 PM
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I don't want to know about your religion
- I remember a time when religion was seldom if ever discussed on political boards. It just wasn't relevant to American politics.

- But now it seems that everyone wants to 'share' their religion and 'faith'. I just don't care what God you worship or if you worship at all.

- The Founders were at least wise enough to understand the volatile mixture of religion and politics. This country was founded by those who fled the religious persecution of the church/state. Our ancestors desired a country were EVERYONE was free to choose their own religion...or none at all.

- I don't care about which religion you have chosen or if you have 'faith' in God. That's your own private concern and it's none of my business. And it should be none of the government's business.
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omnithrope Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:36 PM
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1. Thank you.
Very well said.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:37 PM
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2. I don't want to know your politics.
I don't want to know about your kids.

I don't want to know what you do for a living.

I don't want to know how this economy has hurt you.

And on and on...same thing. It's a message board. It's a place to post opinions. Like it or lump it.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:44 PM
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12. Well...don't be 'grumpy'...
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:45 PM by Q
...and all the other things you mention are quite relevant.

- Here we have a 'president' who talks to and gets his advice from God. He would be forced out of office and into a room with rubber walls if we had a free press.

- The point is that the 'religious right' has gained so much power in our government because they want to make faith and religion a litmus test for good citizenship. Why must we participate in tearing down the wall that separates church and state?

- Thus...it has come down to which side is more 'moral' and worships the right God.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:44 PM
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13. Isn't this a political board?
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:07 PM
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24. Thank you!
If we're going to discuss one or the other, I'd much rather it was politics!

FSC

PS- Nice reptile by the way. The illustration, not the subject.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:13 PM
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25. Another poster was right when he said religion has become an issue...
...since GWB* brought his false God into office with him.

- But let's not discuss which religion is best and which side is more 'moral' because they worship the right God. The only discussion relevant to politics is how we prevent the first amendment from becoming extinct.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:41 PM
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31. thank you
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:17 PM
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27. It's an everything board. It's not that simple. First, I believed in God.
The very reason I identify myself as a liberal is because of my faith. Sorry you don't like it...but, for me, without my faith, I'd be a Republican. We can pretty much talk about that which we'd like here. No?
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:55 PM
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33. Read my posts...
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 04:56 PM by Q
...and see that you're quite welcome to talk about your religion. It's just that I'm not interested. I'm glad you're a liberal. But certainly you can accept that one can be a liberal without using religion as a consideration?

- Where is the Constitution in all of this talk about religion? The 'religious right' suggests that we're a 'christian nation' and that our Constitution was based on the bible. The problem is that there is no hint that this is true. Is this one more thing that we're to take on faith?

- Religion in America is becoming like little boys comparing penis sizes in the shower room. The Democratic leadership is actually having serious discussions about the Dem party not showing their religion/faith enough in the public forum.

- The religious fundementalists want to take us back to a time when religion and politics were so intertwined that a good citizen couldn't enter politics unless they were approved by the religious community. Is this really want we want?
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:57 PM
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34. Sure. And surely you can except that I do believe in religion and post
freely about it. Hide the threads. Perhaps you see religion in America that way. I see it differently. I've agreed with most of your posts. All except this one. :hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:14 PM
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39. No, this is not what we want, and thank you Q.
The penis analogy is cute.

I was just reading the Constitution, Bill of Rights and some Jefferson quotes a few hours ago and I didn't see where religion was established as a founding principle.

Some of our ancestors came here to escape religious persecution. State religion, Christian or not, is fundamentally un-American.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:00 PM
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35. This the "Democratic Underground"
"It's an everything board." - This may be open to interpretation, but it is primarily a political board.

"It's not that simple." - Truism.

"First, I believed in God." - Religious affirmation on a political board.

"The very reason I identify myself as a liberal is because of my faith." - I believe in democracy faith aside.

"Sorry you don't like it..." - What don't I like? You are not clear here about what -I- don't like.

"but, for me, without my faith, I'd be a Republican." - False dichotomy and neither precludes the other.

"We can pretty much talk about that which we'd like here. No?" - I agree somewhat on this point, but you will find a lot of folks irritated with people who inject religion into politics. Doing so goes against Jeffersonian ideology and his concept of separation of church and state. There are forums for such a thing and though GD may be a potpourri of threads, the main thrust has been about politics. Threads on religion have a tendency to start flame wars in GD.

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:21 PM
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41. Thanks for playing.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 05:23 PM by MrsGrumpy
:hi:

And I stand by everthing I posted...before you attempted to dissect and twist it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:36 PM
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42. Yet you did not defend yourself with substance.
You can stand all day if you wish.

Will you or can you defend your assertion: "before you attempted to dissect and twist it."?

Will you or can you substantively answer post #35.


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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:19 AM
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50. No problem - now you just get all the non-religious to STOP posting
..about religion, and you'll have solved 75% of your concern.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:37 PM
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3. Amen
and hallelujah.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:39 PM
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5. Praise the Lord!
:D
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:39 PM
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4. I agree with you
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:40 PM by Skittles
I am not anti-religion - I am anti-religion being thrown in my face. And it happens A LOT. That being said, I don't mind the religion-themed threads in the DU, especially when we have the option to hide threads. It is an opinion board and I do understand religion is important to people.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:49 PM
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15. You're right...this isn't about being 'anti-religion'...
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:50 PM by Q
...it's about PRAYING IN YOUR CLOSET and not joining with the hypocrites that have to be seen praying. Prayer is not a social event to many people and religions.

- I have no right to suggest that religious threads be removed. Everyone's opinion is welcome. But it seems that many on the Left are falling for the scam that we have to compare religions and faith and do them one better in order to be accepted as good citizens.
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Shoeempress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:40 PM
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6. I agree, message boards are like having a conversation with someone
on a plane, You'll never see them again in all likelihood, so spill your guts. If you live next door to me, however, I don't wanna know anything about you, cuz I will think of that each time I see you. So, please no personal sharing with me if you live on my street.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:41 PM
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7. Religion has always been part of politics, like it or not
There was a time when you could lose your job as a schoolteacher in the midwest because you were Catholic. This was in the forties and fifties.

Everyone who's ever run for national office has professed being a Christian. JFK's Catholocism was a big deal in 1960.

I understand that it's obnoxious, but it is also part of today's political landscape, like the complete and total corruption of broadcast journalism.

Ignoring it is simply burying your head in the sand.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:43 PM
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9. jinx~!
heh!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:55 PM
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18. You want to go back to the 40s and 50s?
- What 'used to be' doesn't matter. It 'used to be' that Blacks were lynched for entertainment and women were considered property of their husband.

- It's not so much the discussion of religion that's the problem. It's the oneupsmanship of which religion or God is superior. It's some on the left actually trying to compete with the religious right radicals for who has the 'best' morals.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:42 PM
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8. tell it to W
he's the one who made it a relevent topic here. bury your head in the sand if you want, but i think we need to fight fire with fire! if we know nothing about this man's religion, we are doomed.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:43 PM
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10. Agreed
Religion is a private matter.

All religions can practice freely in this country. Privately. But that is not enough for these people -- who seek power over all Americans and across the world.

However, it has gotten to the point where people with religious beliefs are basing foreign policy on their beliefs, also economic policy. This impacts my life. I will resist any effort to eradicate the constitutional separation of church and state.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:00 PM
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19. Kerry gave a great answer on this issue in general...
...when he said that he believes a certain way but wouldn't FORCE his beliefs on others.

- The wall of separation between church and state has already been smashed. Our government now directly funds the church/Bush* supporters with tax dollars. This happened because we were too afraid to tell the church to stay out of the business of government and the government not use the church for political advantage.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:43 PM
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11. On 4 July 1776 I believe several colonies had state churches
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:53 PM by HereSince1628
My fan-only status as an historian leaves thinking I read that several of these state churches continued on well after that point.

Anyone know when the last of these finally dropped out of the public domain?


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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:48 PM
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14. Religion has NO PLACE IN POLITICS. Keep your holy books..
to yourself.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:50 PM
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16. Religion has been brought into politics, for better or worse.
Mostly worse. I wish we could keep it separate from politics. When the Texas Republicans were taken over by the Far Right Fundamentalists, I tried to ignore the whole affair; not just one loathsome group, but two! However, that was an early warning of the movement that helped get Bush within stealing distance this year.

We do need to understand stuff like Christian Reconstructionism. And some posters just love to start threads bashing all religion--or the ones they learned to hate when young.

Is the thread hiding feature inactive?
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:01 PM
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20. I believe that all the hiding functions...
...are inactive. Hey...you trying to tell me something?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:03 PM
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21. I hope the activate the hide function soon
I'll start with the KARL ROVE threads. :puke:
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:14 PM
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26. Why don't we all just stop talking about everything everyone else doesn't
want to hear?

That ought to be fun :eyes:

I don't see anyone trying to convert anyone else here. I listen when others talk about being an atheist, or agnostic, Muslim, whatever. I listen when people talk about being gay, or bi, or straight. I listen when people talk about lots of stuff.

I respect you, you respect me, it's that easy.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:22 PM
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28. Please note that I said that I don't want to know...
...which religion you belong to or which God you worship. This isn't a demand for anyone to stop discussing whatever their heart desires.

- And it's not a matter of 'respect'. The only ones being disrepectful and oppressive are those who shove their religion in our faces and insist that our government must become a theocracy.

- I object that so-called 'christians' on the Right want to join their church with our state....and then accuse us of being mean when we complain.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:25 PM
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30. I OBJECT TO IT TOO!
Sorry for shouting :)

Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning. If so, I'm sorry.

(You may not wish to read this next part):

I'm a Christian who does NOT want my government involved in my religion, and does NOT want my religion involved in government.

I would hazard a guess that there are many of us.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:51 PM
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17. Amen. (no pun/joke intended!) nt
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:04 PM
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22. I don't want to judge people based on...
...which God they believe in or how many times a day they prey in public.

- Religion has brought us another crusade...this time against brown people in the Middle east who worship the 'wrong' God and have lots of sacred oil.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:06 PM
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23. Yes. Thank you. n/t
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:25 PM
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29. Too bad. It's the #1 determinant of a person's politics. Deal with it.
Also, funny that you're using the name of a gospel:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Q%20Gospel


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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:46 PM
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32. That's all fine and good...
...but the government shouldn't be able to USE religion to influence politics in a democratic republic. Nor should the church be able to preach that one candidate is more 'moral' than the other.

- Perhaps we should have every citizen vote on whether this country should become a theocracy? The fact is that those who voted for Bush* because of religion are a very small minority of the population.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #32
48. You are deluding yourself.
"...those who voted for Bush* because of religion are a very small minority of the population."

Surely you must be joking. You don't really believe this, do you?
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:01 PM
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36. Uh, we are in the beginings of a theocracy. Kinda hard bub.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:07 PM
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37. Jefferson on religion:
"Whenever... preachers, instead of a lesson in religion, put
off with a discourse on the Copernican
system, on chemical affinities, on the construction of government,
or the characters or conduct of those administering it, it is a
breach of contract, depriving their audience of the kind of
service for which they are salaried, and giving them, instead of
it, what they did not want, or, if wanted, would rather seek from
better sources in that particular art of science." --Thomas
Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815. ME 14:281

"Ministers of the Gospel are excluded the county Elementary Schools]
to avoid jealousy from the other
sects, were the public education committed to the ministers of a
particular one; and with more reason than in the case of their
exclusion from the legislative and executive functions." --Thomas
Jefferson: Note to Elementary School Act, 1817. ME 17:419

"No religious reading, instruction or exercise, shall be
prescribed or practiced inconsistent
with the tenets of any religious sect or denomination." --Thomas
Jefferson: Elementary School Act, 1817. ME 17:425

"I do not know that it is a duty to disturb by missionaries the
religion and peace of other countries, who may think themselves
bound to extinguish by fire and fagot the heresies to which we
give the name of conversions, and quote our own example for it.
Were the Pope, or his holy allies, to send in mission to us some
thousands of Jesuit priests to convert us to their orthodoxy, I
suspect that we should deem and treat it as a national aggression
on our peace and faith." --Thomas Jefferson to Michael Megear,
1823. ME 15:434

Establishments of Religion Undermine Rights

"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and
ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very
formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man."
--Thomas Jefferson to Jeremiah Moor, 1800.

"The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they
have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity
and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all
others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion
of the human mind." --Thomas Jefferson to Moses Robinson, 1801. ME
10:237

"But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of
the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by
those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into
an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors
in Church and State." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval,
1810. ME 12:345

" the nature of... government a subordination of the
civil to the ecclesiastical power, I consider it as
desperate for long years to come. Their steady habits
exclude the advances of information, and they seem exactly
where they . And there clergy will always
keep them if they can. will follow the bark of liberty only
by the help of a tow-rope." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierrepont
Edwards, July 1801. (*)

"This doctrine 'that the condition of man cannot be ameliorated,
that what has been must ever be, and that to secure ourselves
where we are we must tread with awful reverence in the footsteps
of our fathers'] is the genuine fruit of the alliance between
Church and State, the tenants of which finding themselves but too
well in their present condition, oppose all advances which might
unmask their usurpations and monopolies of honors, wealth and
power, and fear every change as endangering the comforts they now
hold." --Thomas Jefferson: Report for University of Virginia,
1818.

"I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring
about a legal ascendency of one sect over another." --Thomas
Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78

"The advocate of religious freedom is to expect neither peace nor
forgiveness from ." --Thomas Jefferson to Levi
Lincoln, 1802. ME 10:305

"The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me as
President will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And
they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of
man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too,
in their opinion." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME
10:173

"Believing... that religion is a matter which lies solely between
man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith
or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach
actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign
reverence that act of the whole American people which declared
that their Legislature should 'make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and
State." --Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802. ME 16:281

"I am really mortified to be told that, in the United States of
America, a fact like this i.e., the purchase of an apparent
geological or astronomical work] can become a subject of inquiry,
and of criminal inquiry too, as an offense against religion; that
a question about the sale of a book can be carried before the
civil magistrate. Is this then our freedom of religion? and are we
to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be
sold, and what we may buy? And who is thus to dogmatize religious
opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be the measure to
which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be our
inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his
reason as the rule for what we are to read, and what we must
believe? It is an insult to our citizens to question whether they
are rational beings or not, and blasphemy against religion to
suppose it cannot stand the test of truth and reason. If
book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its
reasoning, refute it. But, for God's sake, let us freely hear both
sides, if we choose." --Thomas Jefferson to N. G. Dufief, 1814. ME
14:127

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden
people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest
grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious
leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
--Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to
liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his
abuses in return for protection to his own." --Thomas Jefferson to
Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119

"I have been just reading the new constitution of Spain. One of
its fundamental bases is expressed in these words: 'The Roman
Catholic religion, the only true one, is, and always shall be,
that of the Spanish nation. The government protects it by wise and
just laws, and prohibits the exercise of any other whatever.' Now
I wish this presented to those who question what
may sell or we may buy, with a request to strike out the words,
'Roman Catholic,' and to insert the denomination of their own
religion. This would ascertain the code of dogmas which each
wishes should domineer over the opinions of all others, and be
taken, like the Spanish religion, under the 'protection of wise
and just laws.' It would show to what they wish to reduce the
liberty for which one generation has sacrificed life and
happiness. It would present our boasted freedom of religion as a
thing of theory only, and not of practice, as what would be a poor
exchange for the theoretic thraldom, but practical freedom of
Europe." --Thomas Jefferson to N. G. Dufief, 1814. ME 14:128

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the
propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful
and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson: Bill for Religious Freedom,
1779. Papers 2:545
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Quotes relevant to today:
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden
people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest
grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious
leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
--Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to
liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his
abuses in return for protection to his own." --Thomas Jefferson to
Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. You forgot one
"Peace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy, and I wish we may be permitted to pursue it."

Thomas Jefferson
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:53 PM
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46. Manna from Jefferson
I'm glad I looked down the thread. I was reading this earlier today too. :D

I came across an intersting website I hadn't seen before: "The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State Page"

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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Reality Not Tin Foil Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:41 PM
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43. The Founders were also wise enough to protect the "Freedom of Religion".
And it's been a big part of the poltical discourse of this country since day one.



Or...As an alternate response...Using just a headline.

I don't want to know about your race.

I don't want to know about your sexual preference.

I don't want to know about your right to chose.



People of Faith have just as much right to speak of it as any other group.
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:44 PM
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44. Thank you, that would probably
be the best thing. I want a bumpersticker or a button that says that....
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:47 PM
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45. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! Amen!
I agree w/you.

If I wanted to discuss religion, I would join a religious board.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:12 PM
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47. Agreed
I am sick and tired of hearing politicins go on and on about supernatural nonsense (e.g. "God" and "faith") while ignoring REAL issues like health care, education, Iraq etc.

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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:17 AM
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49. I'll stop when you stop.
Ok, not "you" specifically - see, even I need to be more specific. :)

I have hardly ever started threads talking about "my faith." Only recently have I started threads with examples of good people doing good progressive things in the name of faith. And I think the reason for my doing that should be pretty obvious.

I would be just as happy if religion was NEVER discussed here ever again. But as long as it keeps getting brought up, as long as people insist on making sweeping blanket stereotypes about all religious people or all Christians, as long as people insist in continuing the hate, I will probably continue pointing out the contraditions, inconsistencies and unfairness in that kind of polarized generalization.

Religion should be my own private concern and none of your business, I agree. And I'd personally be happy to keep it that way. However, this community does not keep it that way - the non religious make religion and issue of discussion are more than anyone else. And since that is the case, I'll continue to discuss it until that isn't the case anymore.
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