Kerry To Unconcede?

[Joylaughter]

edited by admin to remove Cameron Kerry's email address, please do not post his personal email address on DU

BREAKING---KERRY TO UNCONCEDE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE OF FRAUD
> > FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
> > EMAIL FROM DC LAWYER CYNTHIA BUTLER
> >
> > I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people wondering why
> > KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio,
> > before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came in.
> >
> > There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it
> > was taken from him.
> >
> > There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the
> > results. It's coming from all corners.
> >
> > I understand that he has until the official count certification in Ohio to
> > Un Concede which is several days from now.
> >
> > Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why -
> > whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using
> > electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's brother at
> > his law firm at the address (REMOVED)
> >
> > They should inform us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for
> > whatever reason- they lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally
> > witnessed a number of things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic
> > Congressional Campaign Committee)
> >
> > If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned
> > away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign.
> >
> > They should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four hours
> > -particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they do it to
> > political prisoners) . They should be notified if people were told as has
> > been reported that due to too many people showing up in African American
> > precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths (some only had two
> > or three for the entire precinct) and told because of heavy turn out they
> > could vote on Wednesday. If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a
> > percentage margin that exceeds the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be
> > made to challenge the count.
> >
> > If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively
> > discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt with in
> > terms of the ultimate count.
> >
> > This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am
> > taking it up in other venues.
> >
> > Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work
> > in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.
> >
> > Cynthia L. Butler
> > BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
> > 1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
> > Washington, DC 20036

[Wat_Tyler]

1. Does such a person exist? Is there a Cynthia L Butler?

[KurtNYC]

15. Seems bogus - I googled the address

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%221717+K+St.+NW%2C+Suite+600%22&btnG=Search

That is one big suite if it has all those businesses in it! Nothing for Butler Law though.

[Wat_Tyler]

18. Oh, but I'm so surprised.

[KurtNYC]

24. The firm IS listed

at that address with Martindale lawyer Locator (mainstream / legit)
http://www.martindalehubbell.com/xp/Martindale/Lawyer_Locator/Search_Lawyer_Locator/search_result.xml?PG=0&STYPE=F&FN=butler+law&CN=washington&CTY=&STS=9&CRY=1&FSZ=

No phone number on that listing though.

[incapsulated]

2. That is not what the email says

Misleading, to say the least.

This is just a plea to write Kerry's brother, there is nothing about Kerry himself or the campiagn saying anything at all, let alone talk about unconceding.

This isn't the first time this has been posted, btw.

[Joylaughter]

5. Just passing along the info

Becasue I care.

[alittlelark]

3. Could this be real???

I have had such a roller-coaster week......

>edited for freeper-spelling>

[eleonora]

4. but how to order a recount if there's no paper trail??

Even if we can prove there was fraud and the numbers don't add up, how can we fix the numbers if we don't have paper trail?? Those ^#$%@& machines....grrr

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. patience, patience things I think are startign to move

and it is the central tabulators really

[omnithrope]

6. Perhaps you should edit the OTHER post too (with the person's email addy)

You posted this twice...

[Cocoa]

8. dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2640378

[Nicholas_J]

9. If this is true

They have found something to prove electronic tampering from the outside. Perhaps log records of someone getting into the mainframes and then workong down to precinct levels to change coding of touch screen machines and optical scanners.

[incapsulated]

11. This isn't "true"

Because this isn't anything.

*sigh*

It's just a email from a lawyer asking people to write. There is no news from the Kerry camp here.

[seabeyond]

12. oh bummer, i put it on another board

what a bitch i hate doing this. too important to get it right. shit this makes me mad. mad at me as much as anything, bummer

[KC21304]

13. I don't think so. I believe they found this Butler

person does not exist.

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[Nicholas_J]

35. I got this sent to me by email

From one of the heads of the Kerry campaign in my state.

[elperromagico]

10. This is worse than 2000.

At least Gore didn't take a week to call Bush back. Would Bush even take the call now? "No take-backs. It's the will of the people, y'see."

Of course, Kerry wouldn't have to "unconcede" at all - if he hadn't conceded in the first place...

I love JK, but he's being pretty goddamned frustrating right now.

Edit: Reading this again, I see it's not necessarily JK doing it... but shit, I can't handle this.

[benburch]

14. Concession has no legal effect.

If the Ohio provisional ballots were to indicate a Kerry win, for example, he would become President, and would never have to retract his concession...

[htuttle]

17. I know

That's why I think this letter is bogus. I don't see how a lawyer would not know that fact.

[elperromagico]

20. Still, it's so ridiculous.

Two Democrats in a row who gave up, only to decide that they didn't give up after all?

Legally binding or not, I just wish our guys wouldn't concede until

A. They've been beaten in a Reaganesque landslide

and/or

B. All the votes have been counted.

I'm not even sure why concessions are regarded as necessary. Seems like a pretty dopey tradition because, as you say, it has no legal merit at all.

[nomatrix]

28. Gore had legs to stand on.

He was already ahead in the Elector College votes/popular vote, and had the U.S. constitution and Florida election laws to warrant waiting for overseas absentee ballots to be counted.


2000 Election

With the counting complete in all states except Florida, Al Gore received 50,147,036 votes nationwide, winning 267 Electoral College votes. George W. Bush received 49,788,069 votes nationwide, winning 246 Electoral College votes. Although Al Gore is leading by 358,967 popular votes and 21 Electoral College votes, a winner cannot be declared until the legal challenges and recounts in Florida are completed. If all states cast Electoral College votes, a candidate needs 270 votes to become president. (The U.S. Constitution requires only that a majority of states be represented in the Electoral College, and that the winner receive a majority of the votes actually cast.) Florida has 25 Electoral College votes, so either candidate can win if Florida's votes are awarded to him.

http://www.failureisimpossible.com/floridafollies/faq/electionday_FAQ.htm#6

Good links to questions on the 2000 election prior to selection.

[theboss]

16. Who the hell is Cynthia Butler?

Seriously. I could write this letter and it would have as much meaning.

[gordianot]

21. Check this

http://blog.letsfreedc.org/email.php?blogid=809

Same one?

[karlrschneider]

22. Concession ("conceding") has no legal status. It's like if in a football

game, team A was 8 points behind with 15 seconds to go...the captain might say to team B's captain "well, you guys have beaten us, congratulations"...but recover a fumbled hike on the next play, run it back for a TD then pull off an on-side kickoff and manage a field goal.
The "concession" was meaningless and has no effect on the final score.
If (a very big if, I admit) there are recounts or provisional/absentee ballots should give the edge back to JK, electors would be obliged to honor the result. Not that I expect this to happen, but sure as hell
WANT it to. :grr:

[Joylaughter]

23. Awaiting Kerry's greatest Flip Flop

Please Please Un-concede!

[gordianot]

25. There is a Cynthia Butler at least in March this year.

Seems to have some connection directly to Kerry in voting in DC.

again

http://blog.letsfreedc.org/email.php?blogid=809

[Trillo]

26. Cynthia L. Butler, BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.

Cynthia L. Butler, BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
According to the martindale Lawyer Locater,
http://www.martindale.com/xp/Martindale/home.xml
"Cynthia L. Butler
Butler Law Firm, P.C.
Washington, District of Columbia
<snip empty spaces>
Born 1960; Admitted 1987; Cornell University, A.B.; Georgetown University, J.D."
http://www.martindale.com/xp/Martindale/Lawyer_Locator/Search_Lawyer_Locator/search_result.xml?PG=0&STYPE=N&LNAME=Butler&FNAME=&FN=BUTLER+LAW+FIRM&CN=&CTY=&STS=&CRY=1&LSCH=

Looks like Cynthia L. Butler is a real lawyer, but this is JUST ONE Lawyer database. There is no contact information at this site, so confirmation of whether she wrote the above text is in question.

[gordianot]

27. That coincides with my link. Seemed to have contact with Kerry in March

Involved in D.C. Statehood issue. Described herself as "a peon", but JK does talk to her on the Statehood issue.

Probably wishful thinking.

[struggle4progress]

29. I'm not holding my breath. And I'm not expecting anybody else ...

... to solve this problem. For me, the conclusion is simple: fight harder at the local and state level to rid government of the worst troglodytes and to inform the public about the worst abuses of power.

Agitate, educate, organize!

[berry]

30. Whether this is on the up-and-up or not, it's a little odd.

She's not talking about machine or software or vote-count discrepancy stuff, but voter-suppression, intimidation. And I have been supposing (I hope not wrongly) that the Election Protection people and other poll observers have kept records of every complaint. Anyone know about this?

I also remember that MSNBC (or was it CNN) gave out an 800 number for people to call about voting problems. And I think it was their own operation--so do they have records of what was reported? I haven't heard a thing since (but I've cut WAY back on my TV viewing since Wednesday).

Also, in 2000, the US Civil Rights Commission (headed by Ms Berry--why am I forgetting her first name?) held hearings. Are they making ANY noises now? Or is it just that the media is not reporting it? The media silence IS creepy.

I've been bothered by the thought of those 50,000+ absentee ballots that got "lost" in Broward Co. too. I never did learn how that happened--was it ever explained? I know they then sent out new ones on Nov 1, but for LOTS of people (the sick, elderly, out-of-town, et al.) there wouldn't be enough time to get them back. That's a lot of lost votes, right there. And that would be easy enough to check--the list of people who requested absentee ballots, people who were supposedly sent ballots, people who were sent the second ballots, and the people who actually sent in ballots in time to be counted. They have to have these lists. Surely, someone is looking into this? (Not that this could change the election, but I'd like to have this "glitch" investigated and people punished if it can be proven that it was vote suppression.)

I still have hope that people ARE working to gather the evidence. But I don't think this Butler letter can be for real--they shouldn't be starting from scratch...

[MagickMuffin]

31. Does this help?

 I found this info,

<snip>

We are available to counsel and represent small and start-up business, non-profits and individuals on all aspects of formation, employment/labor disputes, review stock options, severance/ separation agreements and negotiate settlements.  We litigate nationally in Federal Courts and with the American Arbitration Association. Representative individual clients have included tenured faculty, attorneys, executives and laborors. We have experience in Mediation at the Federal Agency level, and in trial courts before the Federal bench as well as with private Mediators. Founding principal Cynthia L. Butler, Esq. (admitted in PA,DC,NJ,CA) is available to Mediate commercial and EEO matters and disputes.


[e-mail]

For a Confidential Consultation and Conflicts Check, please see the below information:

1717 K Street, Suite 600, NW

Washington, DC 20036

Tel [phone]

Fax [phone]

 (call if busy for alternative fax info.)

Email: [e-mail]

(Please be sure to leave all your contact numbers when calling and the best time to call you back)

http://members.aol.com/butlercyn/myhomepage/business.html

[gordianot]

32. Call her. Watch out she may charge for the call. $20.00 a minute?

[TexasChick]

33. Thanks for posting this! n/t

[MagickMuffin]

34. You're welcome; Glad to help

just trying to do whatever I can to make a difference....

Can you tell me more about the email?
How did you come about finding it?
Who was it sent to?

[Pallas180]

37. If you want to send voting violation info , send to CKerry,

his brother at

[e-mail]

[goclark]

36. So, send the info to Bev at blackboxvoting,org

Forget about Cynthia if you don;t feel comfortable.
I am sure that she has not gotten any information that Bev has not received.
Send it to the Kerry Campaign.
But if you have some infomation, SEND IT NOW!

[Pallas180]

38. The e mail is not cynthia's

the e mail belongs to Cameron Kerry, John Kerry's brother

[e-mail]

and only use it if you were a poll watcher and have incident of
harrassment, intimidation, interference with African American voting,
or evidence of rigged / changed voting.

If you are a person who has access to the list of all the poll watchers in any county of OHIO, FLORIDA get in contact right away.
They need those names and phone numbers of the poll watchers or lawyers who were inside.

DONT send crap to the email. You;ll only be hurting America.

[Name removed]

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