Do you realize what would happen if the presidential results were changed?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

The country would go nuts.

Not making any right-or-wrong statements.

I just think we'd be on a path towards civil war

[ProfessorPlum]

1. Gee, that would be too bad.

But we aren't really close to having the outcome reversed, are we?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

7. just sayin

[JohnnyCougar]

34. Actually, if all the provisional ballots, absentee/military ballots

and rejected punchcards are counted in Ohio, I'm pretty sure Kerry will win.

[Mr_Spock]

48. Don't say pretty sure - it's not very likely.

I mean, let's count them but "pretty sure"?

[ewagner]

2. Been thinking about that too

It wouldn't be pretty...and some type of civil unrest, not necessarily war, would be pretty likely.

[rkc3]

12. Maybe the south would secede.

[ihaveaquestion]

21. We could only hope they would! n/t

[meegbear]

CNN et al would be constantly asking ...

was there voter fraud? And what about those provisional and absentee ballots?

[cheezus]

3. we're AREADY in a civil war

they've been fighting it against us for years.

[rabbit2484]

36. The real civil war is just beginning

Skeptical read, but I had heard the guy a year or two ago, and at the time I figured it had to be the election that starts it.

http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/

[cheezus]

37. lol

only the thickest :tinfoilhat:s worry about time travel. Good way to wind up your own grampa.

[Hubert Flottz]

50. An election started the last one!

Abe Lincoln has to be sneaked into Washington after the election! I don't know if Abe had a first amendment zone or not!

[Starlight]

52. ohmygod...my daughter told me about this ages ago...

She heard this guy several years ago on some crazy late night radio talk show. She laughed. Now she's not so sure... :scared:

[eleonora]

4. I hope not

but nothing surprises me anymore

[Worst Username Ever]

On the other hand

if it were found that there really had been a Kerry win, and they DIDN'T change the results, it would have undermined the entire process and political belief system or the most powerful country in the world.

SO neener neener.

[wryter2000]

5. It would sure be a mess

I wouldn't want to be John Kerry in that case.

OTOH, what we have no isn't a whole lot better.

[Drifter]

Absolutely ...

It does not matter who claims victory, and who concedes. The winner will be verified by the vote total (or one would think).

Think it would be unbelievable if something did occur to change our now accepted outcome.

The Repukes, will know what it means to have an election stolen from them.

Cheers
Drifter

[Ducks In A Row]

6. Let it. It's past time to stop lying down for these morons.

[Book Lover]

8. I'm not lying when I say this

I really think we already are. Only our money and the federal government unifies the 50 states plus territories, and I don't know anyone outside the Bay Area who uses PayPal.

[Search Party]

9. "Why, I bet God would fall right out of the sky!"

don 'cha know

[Solitaire]

10. war - bad :(

Yeah, I've thought of this too, but I think no matter what happens we have big problems.

I just cannot remember any election that has been this "ugly".

If my candidate didn't win, usualy it's "Ok, move on, next time", but this has affected us all very deeply, because GW is just a very bad President.

I even feel guilty saying that out loud! The nuns might hear. Too much Catholic school. What can I say?

:)

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. We already are on the path to civil war

wake up and smell the coffee ok

[autorank]

13. Respectfully offered: You're Wrong

The number of people happy that * won far exceeds the number who would approve of a fraudulent election. This would give K-E about 10-15% in popularity and people would be very happy. Equating the * vote with the percentage of people in this country who want us to become a third rate banana republic is an incorrect assumption.

If this puppy was faked, there will be Hell to pay; and it won't be hostility toward the real winners, it will be rage at f*** face and his crew. Count on it.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[whistle]

14. Yes, we would have a legitimate Commander in Chief instead of....

...phony losser!

[Polly Glot]

15. The country would go nuts because we bothered to

actually count ALL the effing votes?!?

Too effing bad, I say.

[On the Road]

16. And My Feelings are

"Bring it on."

Actually, I think if massive ballot-box stuffing or hacking were proven, the number of self-admitted Republicans would shrink rather drastically. Not many people want to take a stand behind fraud.

[hlthe2b]

17. I honestly think we are there anyway & that it would likely be scarcely

worse than if Kerry had been named the winner on Tuesday.....

But, I understand where you are coming from--- it would truly be a mixed blessing, but that is also largely a consquence of how bad things are. Bush* has truly been disastrous.

[2plus2]

18. it might not be so bad....

the same way we have to unify and heal would be the same for them, but then again we are talking about a bunch of hypocrites, right?

[aintitfunny]

19. It is highly unlikely

If the election was stolen (I concede a strong possibility that it was) There would have to be Proof. Maybe I am still too depressed, but I beleive, even if it occured, it would be near impossible to prove. No audit trail, no proof.

If indeed it was proved that Kerry won, it would be forever a tainted presidency. I don't care of you had the perpetrators on National TV admitting the fraud, there would be no hope for acceptance or a functional presidency. I do not think a Civil War, in the truest sense is a concern. There are always militants on all sides of the issues, but the majority don't get that worked up. I used to have faith in the electorate, but find I have lost it.

[gordianot]

20. May get your chance, sounds like a rumour but never know?

See link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2641933

The attorney in this link does exist and seems to have a connection (some sort) to Kerry campaign.

This is making me ill. Up and down and up again.

:puke:

[Solitaire]

23. fraud?

I thought they determined that the letter was not real? Or am I nuts?

[gordianot]

30. The person named in the letter does exist.

Is an attorney in DC and has worked for Kerry.

Has anyone spoken to her? Has she declared it fraud? Sounds unproven to me. The burden of truth has not been proven in my estimation. Could be a very elaborate hoax.

[MagickMuffin]

45. Check out Post 31

I posted this, and i think I found the attorney in question.

Anyone here who had their vote hijacked should give her a call!

[MagickMuffin]

47. Check out Post 31

I think I tracked down the info on the attorney.
Anyone who had their vote hijacked should contact her!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[gordianot]

56. Your link is broken. But Thanks

I have seen a phone number and suggested that someone call.

Wonder why they took it off? Tossing bones to us radicals and then they retreat. Someone must have been taken to the woodshed or called.

Tinfoil hat off.


:tinfoilhat:

[Beam Me Up]

22. The "country" already IS **NUTZ**

Insanity would at least be AN EXCUSE for allowing this country to be overrun by criminal syndicates masquerading as corporations and religious fundamentalists.

[gordianot]

25. For the first time I am starting to understand the Canada advocates.

Don't want Bush.
Don't want the turmoil.

Terra, just plain terrasis

[m berst]

24. yes possibly

But the alternatives are riskier. Postponing the crisis makes it more likely to be violent.

A bi-partisan effort to restore democracy is the first step. That is in our hands now. Failing that, the divisions become worse and violence more likely.

[jgardner]

26. This is my dream.

[Skittles]

27. I would settle for them proving it was stolen

at this point I would

[Upfront]

28. Bring It On!

[bunkerbuster1]

58. My thoughts exactly

(Not that I permit myself to think for more than a nanosecond that the results will be overturned, at this point.)

Yeah, the wingnuts would piss and moan, and talk a good game about an armed struggle. And then they'd go back to being the all hat/no cattle wimps they've always been.

The real civil war was a long time ago, folks. The individual states had far more power, far more relative firepower, than they do today.

[AntiCoup2K4]

29. Let the Freepers be proven hypocrites

Motherfucking brainless shitbags tell us to "get over it". Let's see them get over it. Let them wallow in their fucking fears of 50 ft tall gay fetuses roaming around and marrying their cousins. Let THEM spend the next 4 years of their life subject to a government they don't recognize as "legitimate".

They still would be better off than we were the last 4 years, because they still would have the media whores echoing their every lie.

And how much effect would this have on Congress??
Probably not enough. Would it be enough to make Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chaffee, and the other few Repubs with brains jump the fence?

A lot of interesting possibilities, if it can be made to happen.

[idiosyncratic]

31. But if election fraud is proven, what can they say?

Besides, we have to fight for this now, otherwise we are in for it even worse in the next election.

Can't imagine California without my two Democratic Senators.

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Do you think this looks "normal?"

[RPM]

63. no - in fact...

the difference between B & K in the chart on the right looks to be about the same amount of votes B got in the chart on the left....

[ContraBass Black]

32. Put Your Armor On, and Let's Get to Work

Peacful person though I am, I'm mad as the Devil's own fury.

[Butterflies]

33. I think a backlash of the neocons is coming anyway

so I don't think it would be as bad as you're thinking. The AM radio jerks and Fox News robots would be furious, but I don't know that they could get all that many people into a lather about bush being exposed and booted out.

If fraud can be proved, most everyone will get behind the true winner. Is that too naive?

[tridim]

35. Well I would certainly hope Bush, our current pResident

would tell his people to respect the will of Democracy, and thus the true outcome of the election. Yea right.

[Nordic]

38. I nominate this for "most disgraceful DU post of the day"

what are you afraid of? The truth?

OH NO we might piss off all those scary red necks!

We can't let the truth come out! Nooooooo, sir!

You know what? Fuck all those rednecks, fuck all the fundies, and fuck everyone with that goddamn "let's not piss anybody off" attitude.

I can't believe anyone on DU would post such Daschle-ist nonsense

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

39. Relax - I believe every fucking vote counts and will count

I think the red state people will shit a gold brick is all.

Of course I say fuck em but it won't be pretty

how disgraceful is that?

[Nordic]

51. pardon me if I overreacted or misunderstood you

See, there I am being a nice democrat again.

:)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

54. no sweat

[seabeyond]

40. chavez, you are right on, it would go nuts............that being said

what happens happens. none of them seem to be a particularly good outcome. bushco f*ed us all as a nation pretty good. will have to deal with whatever we have

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. We're already on the brink of civil war. n/t

[Danger Duck]

42. Define "nuts"

What color is that on our terror scale, or whatever that thing is called?

[raysr]

43. Nothing much happened

in 2000 and nothing would happen now, the pugs are bullies and morons, they back down just as any bully does.

[ClassWarrior]

44. Yup, Chav...

And if the challenges go thru, expect the enemy to start marching. Let's go into the next few weeks with eyes wide open.

NGU.

[Hubert Flottz]

46. Justice!

Democracy!

[Cleita]

49. Civil war, huh?

You know what, it starts sounding better to me all the time. We'd better make it an underground guerilla type war though. It keeps the spit and polish military types off balance.

[Hubert Flottz]

55. I can see it all now!

The charge of the Light Duty Brigade... Troop F!

Captain Rumbo..."Where's private Lameball Sarge?"

1st Sgt Rove..."Well sir, he reported to sick call! It seems he has a bad festered up place on his hindquarters and a case of shell shock! Hell half the time that idiot acts like he on some damned kind of dope sir"

Captain Rumbo..."Where's private Cheney Sarge?"

1st Sgt Rove... "Well sir, he skedaddled for home and told the boys he had better things to do! Stole damned near everything in the supply room before he hauled ass too, sir! Body armor, ammo, mo-gas the whole damned works, he cleaned us out!"

Captain Rumbo..."Where's blotchy assed private O'Really?"

1st Sgt Rove... "Well sir, he's on sick call too! Clapp sir, and the worst damned case of the crabs I ever saw!"

Captain Rumbo..."Well Gawd Damn It Sarge, we attack at 14 o'clock, where the hell is that idiot private Bush?"

1st Sgt Rove... "Well sir, I had to put him on report for desertion yesterday morning!"

Captain Rumbo..."Well Gawd Damn Top, where's that damned ugly assed Private Coulter?"

1st Sgt Rove... "Well sir, she went home yesterday...a section-8 discharge!

Captain Rumbo..."Damn it to hell Top, where's that fat assed Chaplain Foulwill, give that crazy son of a bitch a weapon, and tell him to fall in ASA-Fu**ing-P!!!!

1st Sgt Rove... "Well sir, Foulwill headed for sick call too! I hear he had sexual relations with that same old gal in town that private O' Really caught the Clapp from last week!"

Captain Rumbo..."Well saddle your ass up Sarge, it looks like it's just me and you against a whole damned regiment of flamin' %&$#@#!@()*&*^%$@#!@#@ Libruls! Hell of a way to run a @#%$^&%**#$%$#@#$%$#@##$$%^&*^%^&@# War Top!"

1st Sgt Rove..."Could we wait till tomorrow or the next day sir, I think I just Shat my uniform! Oh, and BTW, sir I love it when you use them big Army curse words! Oh yeah and can I get you a cup of coffee sir before I haul ass too! Well Gotta' run!"

[ROH]

53. What were the Kerry/Bush popularity ratings outside the US?

I read an article about this before the election, but cannot find the article now.

[Hubert Flottz]

57. Kick!!!

:kick:

[kayell]

59. Quite possibly, but the alternative is worse. And at the very least

we MUST use this time to bring attention to the voting irregularities and BBV, or we will have truly lost all.

[CornField]

61. Agreed.

Besides haven't we been hearing from the other side how this nation is too strong for something like that?

If there is a problem, now is the time to fix it -- regardless of its effect on the presidential election. It's more important for people to be able to trust their government and their elections.

[ObaMania]

60. We ar on a path to civil war IMO..

.. the South was right. They have risen again!

[Modem Butterfly]

62. Yeah, cause the country's so stable now.

Please. We've been heading toward a confrontation for the last ten years or so. No sense in throwing the baby out with the bathwater in the hopes of not starting something that's going to happen sooner or later.