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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 05:49 PM
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Dan Rather/NBC doing investigation of FBI Under POPPY! ties to 9/11
Ramsy Yuseff.....(sp) where Rather is in Iraq but connecting to a "Researcher" who says US missed the whole 9/11 plot..........This seems different from what our DU'ers have come up with.....but, Rather is going back to "Poppy" so DU research....just didn't go back that far.??????

Dan is going to do a "follow up" report tomorrow night!
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 05:53 PM
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1. Very interesting angle
I wouldn't mind it if Rather started finding some connections to big oil, the Saudis, Canadian gold mining companies, or other tentacles of the BFEE.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 05:53 PM
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2. Dan is CBS - think you posted wrong network
Can anyone post what Rather reported tonight?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 05:58 PM
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5. Yes.....sorry CBS! ....but...ABC! BTW.....Jennings (ABC) had a
Edited on Tue Sep-02-03 06:01 PM by KoKo01
very critical report about10 Soldiers a Day are being Seriously wounded in Iraq! Brookings Institute guy said if this "level of attack continues into the/Fall, it will indicate 'much broader support for Iraqi Resistance!"

Well "Cheering for networks , tonight......whore cables......missed the "big Picture!"

Since most Amerians get their NEWS from NETWORKS....then it's a "good thing." (thank you, Martha)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 05:54 PM
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3. Rather is CBS
still time to edit....
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 05:54 PM
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4. Rather is telling the story from the begining
To ease America to the truth , it looks like to me .
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 07:37 PM
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12. Gotta go easy....
I'm not sure America is ready for this.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 07:40 PM
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14. Exactly !
It's a long dark story , but American needs to be told it.
And whoever does tell it to them will have to have the
patient of a saint . Rather is just the guy IMHO
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:29 AM
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33. Dan Knows
Probably the last honest old-time journalist left in the 'Murikan media. He hasn't survived 30 plus years on national television by reporting "crap" to his audience or by pimping himself out to the current owners of his company.

When he leaves, so does my interest in US news other than the weather.

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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 03:15 AM
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35. Dan Rather was not always an honest reporter
he made his name from a small town TX reporter by covering the Zaprudder film before any other reporter, and concurring with the lone gun theory & the Warren Report on JFK. He was groomed for his role in the Alphabet Soup News. He might be turning as he faces retirement, but I wouldn't bet the farm just yet.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 08:16 PM
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16. Dan had the look of someone
who KNOWS something...I think something's about to happen.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 10:34 PM
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25. Saw it too, hope he
isn't flying on any small planes any time soon.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 05:59 PM
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6. BCCI goes back that far.
BCCI is involved the whole kit-n-kaboodle of crookedness Bush. From October Surprise to Iran-Contra to Banco Nazionale del Lavoro to Iraq-gate to the looting of the Savings and Loans and the national Treasury. This sounds too good to be true! But, please be true! Please!

http://www.dcia.com/bcci.html
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 08:21 PM
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17. George W was involved in BCCI also...
the world will be surprised...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 08:38 PM
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19. Big Time.
... through his friend, James R Bath, an acquaintance since their days in the Texas ANG. After they failed to take their flight physicals, Bath went on to become the official US business handler of the House of bin Laden. And the rest seems to soon be history, as you know, kentuck.

For the rest of DU who may not know WTF we're talking about, a nice recap:

Bush & Bin Laden - George W. Bush Had Ties to Billionaire bin Laden Brood

EXCERPT...

President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush's start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc.

James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.
Through a tangled web of Saudi multi-millionaires, Texas oilmen, and the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International, Bush was financially linked with the bin Laden family until Salem met an untimely end in a freak flying accident near San Antonio in 1988.

SNIP...

Salem bin Laden, a close friend of the Saudi King Fahd had "invested heavily in Bush's first business venture," according to The Daily Mail (U.K.).

Arbusto later became Bush Exploration, when Bush's father became vice president. As the company neared financial collapse in September 1984, it was merged with Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. in an effort to stay afloat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html

GOOGLE: bush, bath, bin laden, BCCI, khashoggi.

Oh yeah. Then you'll see why I'm for Kerry.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 06:23 PM
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7. Hot diggity dog
Just tell the truth, Dan -- nothing more, nothing less.



"I think the American people--I hope the American--I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me."
- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 06:37 PM
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8. I'm old enough to remember Dan stalking the Nixon White House....and his
dark reports about the "hunkering down.....while Woodward and Bernstein are revealing new information weekly in WP!

I was very young.....but remember it vividly......so I wonder about this report.......:shrug:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 08:56 PM
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21. Rather was great during Watergate
Remember the press conference where is question got applause from other reporters and Nixon asked him "Are you running for something, Mr. Rather?" and Rather answered, "No Mr. President, are you?"

That was when the press still did its job.

Rather must be starting to think about retirement, maybe he's fed up enough to go out in a blaze of glory (or Edward R. Murrow is haunting the CBS news room and is getting to Dan)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 06:39 PM
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9. BTW! Where are our DU'ers who gave up Cable...and only watch Network!
Can't you guys/gals help me out with this post here???? I did a "scan" to see what was up..but I get most of my neewss from the Internet......I thought DU had a big group of "Network" watchers.

What did you all see? I was surfing....and my report is really incoherant!
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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 07:28 PM
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10. Video is here:
CBS News

Click "9/11 Book Bashes FBI"

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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 07:32 PM
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11. Thanks for the link :-)
Edited on Tue Sep-02-03 07:34 PM by Wonk
nt
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 07:38 PM
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13. Yeah thanks!!
and welcome to DU :hi:
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 07:54 PM
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15. Welcome
Insider/Outsider.... we love ya!
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badgolfer Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 08:36 PM
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18. FBI
I find it interesting that the Repugs always try to blame Clinton for allowing the destruction of WTC. But, they never mention who was heading up the FBI, Mr. Freeh, a good ole Repug. Who was always trying to undercut Clinton and who was always at odds with Janet Reno.

Dan Rather should investigate what the hell Freeh was doing or not doing to prevent terrorists attacks.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 08:44 PM
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20. Louis Freeh, Opus Dei with Scalia and other Conservatives
Freeh tried to suppress John O'Neill's investigation into Al Qaida. He basically drummed O'Neill out of the FBI.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 09:37 PM
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23. Then O'Neill took the job as chief of security for the WTC.
It is not irony. It is conspiracy and high treason.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 09:36 PM
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22. did any of you watch the linK? What did you think? Especially
our 9/11 Folks....those who are with me about LIHOP? He hasn't gotten to that...Rather is going much ealier.....setting up a groundwork.....a base.....for futher reports? What do you think?
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 11:58 PM
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26. I saw it
Seems to me, it put George HW Bush's FBI director at the time, William Sessions, on the hot spot. Why did he drop the ball on investigating this terrorist cell right before the first WTC bombing? If you remember, the WTC boming occurred 3 months after Clinton took office. These men were under surveillance long before that. Did Bush tell the FBI to ignore their findings and the connection these men had with Bin Laden, because he and his sons were personal friends and business partners with the Bin Laden family? Inquiring minds want to know.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:01 AM
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27. He's going to do Part II tomorrow night! ...........
I'm hoping this goes somewhere.........as we all are.......
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:35 AM
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29. Thanks for the heads up
:hi:
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coda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:47 AM
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34. Just five weeks after
Feb 26 '93
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 10:29 PM
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24. Well, between O'Neill and others and now David Kelly....the Silencing is
deafening and and speaks loudly........as Death to those who speak out....Death to the "whistleblowers" and those who think they have enough power to defy us.......We will find you.....we will get to you.....you have no friends....

(Sorry.....too many Cold War Spy novels.......) :scared:
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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:12 AM
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28. I'm not so sure your fears are unfounded.
You can make shit like this up, but sometimes it can happen in real life, too.

We may be about to find out some very unpleasant truths about our country, and the people that supposedly lead us...both Democrats and Republicans alike. The Corporations of the Evil World Order may be about to be "outed".

Dan has some great big ole swinging balls. Old fashioned kind. The kind that piss people off.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:53 AM
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30. Dan's psych. profile: He hasn't taken things 'cooly.'
Dan Rather has shown publicly how much events mean to him personally. Two incidents in mind that might spell 'the man is ready to shed some light on dark places':
1) Breaking down on Letterman's show shortly after 9/11 sobbing "they just hate us..."
2) Admitting in an interview in the UK (BBC?) that 'we aren't allowed to do our jobs anymore, we can't ask the hard questions.'
-not a direct quote but close to my usually good memory

Maybe Dan has decide he's had enough of watching Vietnam Act II and is going to dish it out.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:04 AM
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31. The BBC interview
was with Greg Palast. Rather said if he dared ask the questions he ought to ask, he'd be "necklaced."
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:14 AM
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32. Wow! That's f*ed up
I mean this is Dan Rather we're talking about here.

This has to end, we all have to do something about this.

What keeps getting to me about all of this is this: It's worse than we think! And we think it's pretty damned bad. And the more you look into it, the worse it actually is.

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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:21 AM
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36. Link to Peter Lance website--and more about the book.
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 04:25 AM by berry
Since this is just advertizing for the book plus some blurb quotations, I'm posting the whole thing. There is lots of other stuff at the site--about his other work. Funny thing is, Lance worked as an investigative journalist for ABC--maybe they'll pick it up later. (Also, it appears that Grassley, at least, has read it--and recommends it, so it can't be all that hard on the GOP?)

http://www.peterlance.com/

"There are a small handful of books that must be read if we are to understand the present threat of Islamic extremists to our way of life - and, 1000 Years for Revenge will become one of them. This is a wake-up call to show America how our barn door was left open, and how uncertain we should be that our institutions are capable of closing it." -Dennis Smith, author of Report From Ground Zero and Report From Engine Co. #82.

"An astounding investigation. The Senate-House Joint Inquiry report said there were no "smoking guns" on how the FBI missed 9/11. Peter Lance's book is a 500 page "smoking gun." -Kristen Breitweiser, Co-Chair, Sept. 11 Advocates

<<The shocking story of the FBI's bungled pre-9/11 battle against terrorism, as told through the stories of three people on the frontlines: the world's most dangerous terrorist, and two Americans who tried in vain to stop him.As two jetliners hit the World Trade Center on Sept. 11th, the lives of three strangers, converged. For years they had been on a collision course: FBI agent Nancy Floyd, FDNY Fire Marshal Ronnie Bucca and Ramzi Yousef, the bomb-making terrorist an American judge once called, "an apostle of evil." Floyd, Bucca and Yousef were soldiers on opposing sides of a covert terror war -- one that had been fought in hotel rooms, mosque basements and back rooms from New York City to Manila and Islamabad over the previous twelve years.

In 1000 YEARS FOR REVENGE -- a work of groundbreaking investigation that reads like an international thriller -- five time Emmy-winning investigative reporter Peter Lance reveals the details of the FBI's hapless struggle to stop Osama bin Laden's New York al Qaeda terror cell -- an effort hamstrung by a Bureau plagued with infighting, misinformation and negligence.

FBI agent Floyd spent months working to gain the trust of a key informant who had penetrated the cell around Yousef and blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, only to be dismissed and discredited within the Bureau. Fire Marshal Ronnie Bucca who had TOP SECRET clearance in his Army Reserve unit and specialized in military intelligence, tried desperately to convince the FBI of what he knew to be the truth: that Yousef who built the first World Trade Center bomb, would one day return to New York to finish the job.

Bucca actually uncovered an Egyptian intimate of the blind Sheikh, working in New York City government who had obtained the blueprints of the Trade Center prior to Yousef's 1993 bombing; but when he tried to get the FBI to take him seriously, he was spurned.

On July 24th, after the release of the 858 page “declassified” report of the Joint Senate-House Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks, the media reported that the document contained "no smoking guns" that would have proven the 9/11 attacks could have been prevented.

Drawing on dozens first person interviews with key sources inside and outside the FBI, as well as thousands of pages of court transcripts and declassified documents from the Bureau and foreign intelligence sources, Peter Lance presents a 500 page "smoking gun," proving that the FBI could have stopped Ramzi Yousef in 1992 as he built the World Trade Center bomb and that they blew a second chance to stop the 9/11 attacks after Yousef's capture in 1995 when the Bureau received detailed intelligence proving that Yousef had already begun to execute his design for Sept. 11th, later carried out by his uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.>>

ON EDIT--here's the Grassley quotation:
"An astonishing series of revelations, this book is a must-read for the FBI, the 9-11 commission, Congress and anyone whose job it is to protect national security. If the FBI is to successfully transform itself from a crime-solving agency to a terrorism prevention force, it must learn from the mistakes described in 1000 Years for Revenge."-Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) Judiciary Committee
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:46 AM
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37. kick
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:41 AM
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38. Kicking This
Missed CBS - Dan Rather last night - thanks for the heads up for tonight.
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