My old man says the fall of the AMerican empire is coming

[HEyHEY]

Because of Bush, no other nation gives a shit what the US has to say anymore. ANd that will start the domino affect.

Agree?

[leftofthedial]

1. as soon as an empire moves into the Middle East

it is doomed.

[laura888]

4. would you expand on this? What other empires have done this? n/t

[BiggJawn]

10. British Empire, Soviet Empire...And that's just the ones in the last ...

...100 years.
Afghanistan did in the USSR, Israel did it to Britain in '48.

The Telly-Vangelist Lester Sumrall had a "Teaching Series" called "Israel-Where Nations come to Die".

[0rganism]

32. before that, we have the Romans, the Macedonians, the Persians, the...

aw hell. Let's face it, the region is a cursed hive of violent religious zealotry and astoundingly uncooperative tribalism. And it's not even particularly choice real-estate anymore.

If we were really interested in a peaceful resolution to the Holy Land thing, we would offer to relocate the Palestineans to some decent mostly-empty land in Montana or Idaho or North Dakota. I betcha most of them would go for it, probably 95%. For the price of a couple Apache helicopters and a fully-loaded F-15, the BLM could set aside a Palestinean reservation twice as big as what they've got now and hook it up with running water and electricity, to boot. Why not?

[indigobusiness]

35. And, there were the Romans

and the Egyptians.

edit- note to self: read entire thread before posting.

[Swamp Rat]

39. And Alexander the Great

[leftofthedial]

17. BiggJawn took the words out of my mouth

Various other European misadventures have also come to ill end.

[donheld]

2. Your old man isn't dumb

i think he's right for the most part

[HEyHEY]

8. Well, brains got him elected!

[flowomo]

3. of course he'll be right eventually....

but it could be a long time. Money, bombs talk.

[BlueStatesForever]

15. You could have said that about the Soviet Union

not many years ago. I agree, between soaring deficits and the unilateral policy, we're sinking. Other countries will get sick and tired of our aggressive attitude and find other countries to work with. It's even possible that China will start looking okay to them...especially given that China is on its way to overtaking us as a superpower.

[indigobusiness]

36. China is undergoing a boom/health crisis...Which will win out?

Cancer is rampant in the cities. Aids has exploded in the peasant population via reuse of contaminated needles and mass innoculations.

China has its own modern problems.

[Paul Hood]

5. Empires do have a tendency to fall. n/t

[0007]

20. True they all fail sooner or later....or fall, which ever comes first!

[Polly_Sorbate_60]

6. My old man says the same thing.

What's the saying? Pride goes before the fall?

If so, we're headed for a doozy.

[Aristus]

26. "Pride goeth before destruction,

and a haughty spirit before a fall."

Still applies.

[bumblebee1]

33. Pride

You could also say "Arrogance goeths before the fall."

[billyoc]

7. So does mine.

And he's not prone to flights of fancy. Sad times.

[liberalpragmatist]

9. I agree

It'll be a long decline - not immediate, but this is the start of the process.

Actually, if a new world order arises relatively quickly, with large regional powers emerging, it may not be so bad. Still, from an American perspective, it's a serious problem.

I don't think Americans realize that, and they won't until it's too late. You can't be the world's most powerful country if nobody respects you. You can't be the world's most powerful country if everybody hates you. Nobody trusts us anymore. Nobody respects us. Lose that, you lose the power.

[Cha]

19. It started in the 2000 coup..

and I'm sure before that if we knew the inner workings of the neo-fascists.

[Starlight]

11. I've been thinking the same thing.

I've actually been starting to question the long term safety of US treasuries. They're generally considered to be the safest investment you can make, virtually 100% safe. But are they really? And if the US government defaults on them, is there anything that would be safe? :shrug:

[liberalmuse]

12. He's right.

But that isn't such a bad thing. Look at Europe. They've had their empires and their bloody wars for centuries. They're settled in nicely, now, and a lot more kinder, gentler and enlightened. I just wish we could learn from history rather than repeat all of its mistakes.

[Liberalynn]

25. Can't Believe How Much I've Changed

but have to say I now agree with Nietzhe. "The only thing we learn from history is we don't learn from history."

[Strelnikov_]

13. Ya Got A Smart Old Man There

Economy and energy are about to get us.

When we run out of money, due to deficit spending (both Gov and foreign trade) and energy costs, the empire will fade.

[ispeculate]

44. We wouldnt be in this situation if...

Ballard Power ticker symbol (BLDP) was able to develop a cost effective fuel cell. Gore was going to provide big tax incentives to buy fuel cell cars in 2000 but when Bush took office Ballard's stock tanked.

[Ilsa]

14. Sure, along with our declining economic status

from the dumbing down of the population, outsourcing of best jobs, etc.

[Cha]

16. Hey, your "old man" could be

RIGHT FREAKIN' ON!

And I for one will not be sorry..we need more equilibrium in the World.

[LynnMassGuy]

18. What is a domno genius?

[HEyHEY]

27. Hey, retard freeper - fuck off

I don't know what's worse, I made a typo, or you can't figure out one

[GreenArrow]

29. probably a typo,

genius.

[Make7]

38. Welcome to DU!

I'd like to suggest that you try to make a contribution to the discussion, unless you're just here to be a spell checker. :)

-Make7

[ima_sinnic]

43. I take it you disagree with the original poster?

truth hurts, doesn't it?

[DIKB]

21. Will we even be taken seriously

if we release a list of nations that violate human rights anymore ? Especially after Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo ? Do we even have the right to be taken seriously ? The stench of hypocrisy will gag the rest of the world.

[JohnnyRingo]

22. US has been marginalized globally.

This weeks news that Iran has abandoned its nuke weapon program at the behest of major EUROPEAN countries is evidence that there is another way besides Buxh's "invade/occupy" diplomacy.

I believe the Europeans promised nuke power tech as an incentive, but I wonder if there might be a "protection clause" included to convince Iran that they needn't fear US invasion.

Not much about this story in the American "news" media.

[Cleita]

23. Kerplunk! It's gone.

Sad to say. :-(

[LiberalPersona]

24. It doesn't help

That most of Bush's supporters appear to be xenophobes. They don't realize how vital our reputation in the world is to our survival as a country.

[mmonk]

31. They will find out

The EU controls Trade and regulatory policy now for the most part. Euros as the dominate currency for commerce is not far away.

[Flammable Materials]

28. As soon as OPEC switches to Petro-Euros ...

... we're fucked.

[tsuki]

40. I fear China pegging the yuan to the euro.

[papiamento]

30. hope not!

we'll see tho. lots of questions.

[indigobusiness]

34. Lots of agreement going around. Here's another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2685134

Listen to your father.

[Dem2theMax]

37. I've been thinking that for the past year.

I keep waiting to see Amerika implode. Sad, very sad, but true.

[HeeBGBz]

41. When the US falls

Those who adapt most easily will be the homeless and the disenfranchised. They are used to scrounging for the next paycheck or meal.

[Jane Eyre]

42. The debt will crush us

Japan is currently the largest holder of US debt at about $722 million. China is a close second. Our ballooning debt is deflating the dollar, making it less and less attractive for foreign investors to buy and hold US bonds which are losing their value. As a result, interest rates rise and foreign investors shy away from buying T-bills. It is the most effective way that they have of voting against this idiot presidency.

[Dzimbowicz]

45. It is inevitable

every empire, or major civilization has fallen. So, why should the USA be any different?