Spoze there's anything to this, or

[jeffreyi]

is it just woo-woo?

http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column106.html

[dofus]

1. Al Martin

is pretty tin-foil hat if you ask me. I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt, and try to verify with other sources.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. C'mon!

This is Rove we are talking about here! AFAIAC, that makes it all the MORE plausable. The man has a clear and documented history of doing anything he has to, to achieve his aims. Tossing a few "assets"(in truth, souls...) to the sharks would be just the cost of doing business at the top, for him.

[damnraddem]

14. But somebody in the Admin did leak it.

It has the potential of scandal no matter who it was. Rove is a credible suspect.

[madfloridian]

2. Well, when I watch CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc., they don't do so hot.....

telling the truth. If they are held to the same standard, then they are not reliable sources either.

[kentuck]

4. Is this true?? Karl Rove has dual citizenship?

"And where would Rove go? Karl Rove, it should be noted, is a dual citizen of the United States and Germany. Because of his position he has special diplomatic status. The idea is that if its absolutely necessary he could go to Switzerland where he couldn’t be extradited."

[TreasonousBastard]

5. Very little smoke...

and less fire.

And :wtf: is the "Itelligence Identity Act"?

[frylock]

11. US CODE COLLECTION - TITLE 50 > CHAPTER 15 > Sec. 421.

Sec. 421. - Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources.


(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent



Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information



Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents



Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(d) Imposition of consecutive sentences



A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment

[seemslikeadream]

13. Great answer

Thanks

[HereSince1628]

6. I believe John (of Watergate) Dean made the same suggestion

last week.

The law against leaking agents name is real enough. I am not sure if one could succeed in an attempt to compel Novak to reveal his source.

There is, yet again, the need for a snitch on the inside.

[HereSince1628]

8. Link to John Dean on the law that was broken

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081603H.shtml

[Droopy]

7. It's probably true

But I wouldn't expect it to go anywhere. Just like the lies that led us into war haven't been pursued. I think Bush and his cronies wear teflon suits. Nothing will stick to them.

[seemslikeadream]

9. I wanted to post this

when I read it this morning but decided it would be best to ask the experts in the Bush Nazi thread. They've got a pretty good idea who the Nazis are.

[NoKingGeorge]

10. Focus Focus . Broke the law

Why are all the posts here deflecting the point of the article? A clearly defined law is broken and the posts go off somehere about nazis and authors motives. That is a repub tactic. The gist here should be that there is a clear path ,documented by the author, to prosecution. None other than John Dean explains the clear crime. Why go off on tangents.....

[BurtWorm]

12. Because some of it is a little hard to believe

Which isn't to say it isn't true, but Martin is saying flat out that 70 operatives have been killed since Roverer uncovered Wilson's wife in--was it June or July? That's a lot of operatives! Where's the evidence? Do we have to take Martin's word for it?

One thing Republicans are better known for than just challenging the left's stories is making up weird shit and believing it. I personally hate to be played for a sucker by anyone.

[damnraddem]

15. The law doesn't say anything about operatives being killed.

It only addresses the release of the info. Any actual killings of operatives shows the seriousness of the crime, and would certainly add to the scandal. but does not in itself alter the case.

Another question: could Novak be charged? There is this provision of the law: "Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." Could Novak be charged with such a 'pattern of activities'? Why do so? If Novak were so charged, then in his defense, he might try to show that there was no 'pattern of activities intended to identify' a covert agent, rather that someone 'with access to classified information' provided him with that information out of the blue. Such a defense might provide Novak the incentive to reveal the source of the leak.

[MGKrebs]

16. The only pattern necessary,

in my opinion, is that Novak received the information, wrote it in a draft, and published it. As opposed to some inadvertant blurting.

[dofus]

17. Notice that Al Martin

doesn't do a very good job of footnoting or confirming any of his facts. Karl Rove has dual citizenship. Really? I never heard that before. Okay, so there's LOTS of things I haven't yet heard about, but I'd have thought this little tidbit would have been out there by now.

And calling him Roverer, also known as Rove, is an interesting sleight of hand. We only have Martin's word that Wilson says Rove's grandfather was named Roverer, complete with umlaut.

Al Martin isn't the most reliable of sources. Nor is Fox, or a lot of the so-called mainstream media.