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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:24 AM
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Allawi says no civilians killed, despite dead women and children
Can you believe this:

Iraqi interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi has said he doesn't believe any civilians were killed in the offensive, which has left 38 U.S. soldiers, 6 Iraqi troops and more than 1,200 insurgents dead. But witness accounts contradicted him.

A member of an Iraqi relief committee told Al Jazeera television he saw 22 bodies buried in rubble of one street in Falluja's northern Jolan district on Sunday.

"Of the 22 bodies, five were found in one house as well as two children whose ages did not exceed 15 and a man with an artificial leg," Mohammed Farhan Awad said.

"Some of the bodies we found had been eaten by stray dogs and cats. It was a very painful sight."

More: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6810644

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The Military and Allawi are telling BOLD face lies, it's nothing new but the level of denial is getting extreme and ridiculous. The dead people of Fallujah aren’t even given the dignity of being acknowledged, will they even bury these people, or just throw them into a mass grave like Saddam?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:27 AM
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1. No civilians were killed
They all died from other health issues, like that bullet in the kidney or the fragmentation grenade that took off their left leg and three ribs.

But no one was killed!

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:36 AM
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2. Everything they say is a lie, including "and" and "the"
I started a thread on this over the weekend. I heard a ridiculous announcement by running dog Allawi on NPR in which he said the civilians were very fortunate because not a single civilian had been killed.

Also yesterday, I saw an appalling interview on CNN with three or four wounded American soldiers. They were all cleaned up and gungho, but the ridiculous part was they had really minor looking injuries, giving the impression that American soldiers only get scratches and sprained ankles, like on a stupid TV show. One guy had his arm in a sling, the second had his hand bandaged and the third had a scratch on his forehead. This was a completely bogus, propagandistic representation of the American war wounded. One factor that undercut the propaganda value was that the middle guy was clearly traumatized and had what WWII vets call the thousand yard stare.

Mary McCarthy once said of her rival writer, Lillian Hellman, "everything she writes is a lie, including "and" and "the."

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:42 AM
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3. Anybody who lives in Fallujah
Is not a Civilian by definition. That is the very defination of war without mercy. A three month old child in Fallujah is an enemy combattent.

Simple enough.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:54 AM
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4. Laws and Treaties concerning war conduct would beg to differ
If we do not bind our self to international laws concerning warfare, then we can expect no better pending the invasion of the U.S. homeland, which we are inviting through our hard-line approach.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:55 AM
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11. Free fire zones in Vietnam were illegal according to international
treaties and standards.

This is no different.

We're taking our good kids and sending them out to become war criminals. The real criminals are the ones sending them there.

This has got to stop.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:58 AM
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13. I'm not disagreeing
I'm just repeating the twisted logic that somehow makes this all make sense to some.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:54 AM
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5. now you know why
he is a perfect foil for georgie. he lies just as poorly.
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LiberalCat Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:58 AM
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6. Apparently, the definition of insurgent is Iraqi.
They want to kill all terrorists, who are insurgents, who are Iraqis. That is genocide. Who can say bush is not another Hitler?
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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:02 AM
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7. Does Allawi really think he will
win the lection in January?

I cannot think that any people in Iraq will vote for him after the disaster in Falluja.

My guess is that the "election" in January will be just as rigged as our election.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:33 AM
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9. my understanding is the election will not address Allawi
but rather select a group to ratify a consitution.

someone correct me if wrong, here, but I don't think his job is up for a vote in January.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:58 AM
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14. It's for a parliament, which I think will choose the new Prime Minister
"Hakim had 80 percent name recognition among Iraqis, with more than 51 percent wanting to see him in the national assembly, which will pick a new government."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52674-2004Oct21.html
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:57 AM
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12. Are Diebold and ESS counting their votes?
He's a shoe-in.

What does 'shoe-in' mean, btw?
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:16 AM
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8. Hey Iyad.......might want to take a look at some of those
1200 "insurgents"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:34 AM
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10. Allawi must be a Monty Python fan.. "They're just resting/sleeping"
:puke:
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