3 prong theory: something I said in 2002 is coming true....

[Lerkfish]

here is something I posted in march of 2002 on another board....people called me a conspiracy theorist at the time...some of it has not come true...yet...but its a little frightening how much HAS.


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Here's just something to stimulate conversation. Here is my pet "conspiracy theory". I like to think about them, even if I view them with a healthy grain of salt...

How would the neocons achieve their goals?

I envision a three prong approach...

prong one: control all three branches of the government, and the intel community. Rumsfeld has already created his "CIA within the CIA" group, and the office of Homeland Security puts everything under the purview of Tom Ridge. More and more power controlled by less and less people.

prong two: quell with extreme prejudice the rights of citizens to protest by removing their access to due process, paving the road for political prisoners, like there used to be in South Africa. Sure, now its "suspected" terrorists, but how long until its anyone who disagrees with the administration? without access to legal counsel, the outside world and being held indefinitely and executed without trial, the US will have the ability to "disappear" citizens who are vocally antiadministration, and there won't be any way to prevent it since it will all be done in secret, with no protections.

prong three: rubber stamp the middle east, and then the world, in the US image. with prongs one and two in place, prong three will proceed without interference.

I know I'm extrapolating a bit, but you have to admit, everything is heading in this direction.

now, how will we know this plan is in place, or working in the coming days?

--elimination of civil liberties, weakening the ability of the citizens to stop the juggernaut
-- reshaping of the present character of the checks and balances system (like trying to stop filibustering), in such a way to advantage the executive branch over the other branches.
-- More and more "disappeared" people, along with executions in Guantanamo.
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Also look for:
-- scenario: Bush loses the popular vote, again, and wins the electoral vote, but the chasm is wider, making it obvious the electoral college has been manipulated.
-- the rescinding of the two term presidency.
-- the permanence of US bases in Iraq as a base of operations, with the dropping of the MOAB on Syria or Iran, to "make a strong case" for submission to the US.


anyways, you get the idea.
Keep in mind, I'm just freeforming this, but I also think at least some of it is probably accurate, as far as strategy.
Feel free to discuss it, tear it apart, come up with your own, etc.
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[Warpy]

1. Forget about prong three

The middle east will object and eventually the carnage will be sufficient that the right will lose everything.

Dictators come and go, and their going is usually satisfying.

[Lerkfish]

3. oh, I'm just saying its THE PLAN, not that it would succeed, necessarily

[BlueEyedSon]

2. Sounds about right so far.....

[RBHam]

4. You want to know the plan?

http://newamericancentury.org/

and if you want to see it spelled out for you...

http://infowars.com/

[Lerkfish]

6. thanks. I've known about that site for a while

frightening.

[Lone Pawn]

5. MOAB isn't that powerful.

It'll blast the hell out of a bunker, but it really isn't useful for anything we don't already have. It's not like it's a mini-nuke or anything. It's no worse than dropping a few daisy cutters.

If anything we could do would have a chance of making Syria or Iran back down, it'd be a Pearl Harbor attack: a massive, concentrated military strike against all suspected nuclear facilities and military sites with the expressed objective of forcing them to give up without a real fight. Unfortunately, when we're dealing with an insurgency, it wouldn't really work. The only way they'd 'roll over' is if we were to kill every last Shi'a.

Of course, given the way we've handled that war, quite a few people seem to think that's our objective.