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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:03 AM Original message |
Uncivil discourse, or how we alienate of people of faith |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. There is another side to this coin, Paddy. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. I don't believe you shouldn't defend them. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. Bollocks. |
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Hey Zeus (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. amen on paul... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
45. don't blame Paul for the people who misinterpret him |
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RevCheesehead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
150. THANK YOU! Paul is misunderstood and misquoted. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. "Bollocks"-- perfect example of what I'm talking about! |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. well, i guess |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
101. Who, specifically, 'holds you in contempt'? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. ummm . . . |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Apparently you can't cite an example, either. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. i'm too busy arguing |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:47 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. If it's so obvious, then why... |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #125 |
139. Datasuspect |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #139 |
164. actually |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
195. OK, I don't mind being "obvious" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
149. Deleted message |
Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Badda boom, badda bing! |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #149 |
165. boy |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. The initial post contextualizes mine. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. was i replying to you? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #167 |
178. Unless I missed something here... |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. well good for you |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #180 |
183. Didn't feel bad before. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. testy? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Thank you. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. you're quite a card |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Am I now? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. okay |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. anyway |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #165 |
172. Deleted message |
datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. yeah |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
29. don't give up on Paul.... he is also on our side |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
54. Paul is a whipping boy merely because he did most of the work |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
3. How Can I Be Civil To Someone That Holds Me In Contempt |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
46. I have never in all my years of church going heard anyone called |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. In College, I Roomed With A Staunch Southern Baptist |
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DenverDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
5. Believe what you wish, just don't expect it to be made the law of the land |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. ONE pastor. |
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DenverDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. A lot more than one priest were on this page. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Yes, I deny it. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #42 |
61. Did we? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. ' scuse me. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Touchy |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Yes, we did. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Thanks for the clue |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. No, you just painted the entire Church on the basis of a FEW pastors. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I did? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. You're right. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
171. really? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #171 |
179. Only a billion people. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. or yours |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #181 |
193. Oh yes, be very afraid of me. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #193 |
200. i am afraid |
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Wat_Tyler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. 'our utter lack of civility, common decency and respect?' |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Look at this thread and tell me I'm wrong. n/t |
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Wat_Tyler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You are, because I don't do that to Catholics. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I carefully qualify my statement |
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Wat_Tyler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. OK. That's a different matter then. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. No problem. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
85. Ok. You're Wrong |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
114. Nowhere do I advocate that. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
128. It's A Matter Of Continuing To Withdraw The Line We Draw |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. No, your lumping everyone into the same group is facile. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #129 |
153. Then You Would Be Wrong |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. No, it is you who are wrong. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. Whatever You Say |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. We're even. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. My Post Made Sense |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. You're right--we usually agree. |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. perhaps if most "people of faith" concentrated their political |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. How did you get that out of what I wrote? |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I was reacting to this specifically |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. As I stand by mine. |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I'd rather agree to work towards a common goal |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. I have no respect for organizations of intollerant persons who wish me |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. What in the hell are you talking about? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
50. oh come on... you have got to be kidding |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
89. Read. Educate yourselves. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. They're vocal twits. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. so you are throwing all people of faith into one category? |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
176. Yeah, those are just a few examples -- just like Zell Miller is an |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
175. I wish you dead? Damn, that's news to me.... |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Well, actually many of us do vote in 'their' churches. For |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
52. I vote at a Methodist church |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
21. Any truly succesful government has manage to separate church and politics |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. But no government has ever successfully separated ... |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Personal beliefs are personal though |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. An example, please. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
258. How about the 2004 election? |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
127. No one is suggesting that a government should...or has |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. I live by my own. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:22 AM Original message |
I saw that attitude in the anti-intervention movement in the 1980s |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
122. yes and that is why the current rightward |
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bacchant (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
22. Where is the other half of the equation? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. "The Golden Rule applies." |
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bacchant (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I never had issues with people of faith until they had issues with me. n/t |
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Unstuck In Time (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
252. That pretty much sums it up for me, too. n/t |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
23. Is what you perceive to be religion-bashing on the left |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. It isn't, for ME, but I'm not everyone. n/t |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #32 |
47. My suspicion is that anyone offended by "left-wing religion bashing" |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. My suspicion is that you're dead wrong. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Sorry, Padraig, I phrased that all wrong. I meant offended enough to leave |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. It's OK. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Are you sure they didn't fundamentally agree with Bush on some point |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. 47% of them DIDN'T support Bush, burt. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. But we were just talking about those who voted for Bush. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. I can't agree. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. But how did they get so turned off that they wouldn't even vote |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. It's a combination of those two, Burt. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. And yet, it's the religious Protestant right arguing that Catholics |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Oh, we do. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:07 PM Response to Reply #124 |
135. I know YOU do, Padraig. But what about the ones who are so |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. I'm sure that motivates some of them, and ignorance motivates others. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Actually Burt I am offended by it and the general ignorance of religion |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. See my response to Padraig's |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #59 |
72. K |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #47 |
73. I find myself amazed at the lack of tolerance by some here... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Bingo! It's the 'fart rule' |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. I think it's pretty clear that most lefties, religious or not, are under |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Burt you are fine |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #95 |
109. Thank you, Cheswick |
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Hephaistos (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
145. I will respect their religion when THEY start respecting it |
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progmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
182. Hi. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
24. I admit to having a LARGE problem with the politics of the RCC |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Why attack, rather than attempt to reason, or persuade? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
69. because people who think that way can not be reasoned with |
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RBHam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
28. And just HOW do these fanatics "engage" in discourse... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Your opinion. n/t |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #28 |
75. Exhibit 1 |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
31. I'll say what I always said. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. The Church opposed that war from day one! |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. They said it in Rome. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. No. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Not very loud, were they? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. If you didn't hear, it's because you didn't listen. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Nope I didn't forget. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. A FEW 'turned up the volume'. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
92. Well my original statement... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. I heard that too IMM and I heard the other |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
100. the RCC church here... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
38. Bush : "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens" |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. That's a nutbag super-minority. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. To be fair... |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
105. 51%. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #105 |
118. 2%, at best. n/t |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. 51% endorsed the lunacy by voting for it. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. By that thinking, 48% didn't. |
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Hephaistos (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #126 |
159. So stating that 51% voted for the evil agenda |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. Most religious people don't think that way |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
51. Religion should NEVER have found its way into politics... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Religion has NEVER been 'separate from politics'. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
60. Still trying to hold back the ocean's tides, Padraig? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Still trying. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
143. Keep it up |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #143 |
169. Thanks! |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. The Journalists just "don't get it" in addition to many of |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Exactly. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #80 |
140. That's because to them, humility = weakness |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
63. Yes, mustn't alienate the poor, put-upon majority. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
97. exhibit #2 |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
106. Thank you, UdoKier |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
76. I mean this respectfully, but why should religious people |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
78. The problem is that they discuss from a perspective of evangelism. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. You are putting all religious people into one group |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #90 |
256. I narrowed the group to Evangelicals. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
102. I do agree on the importance of civility and communication (but) |
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Unstuck In Time (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
103. Perhaps what we need, as a starting point, is an agreed-upon vocabulary |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. VERY good idea. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
104. Sugar coating a bitter pill. The church's "morals" are immoral. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
107. A number of people |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Thank you. n/t |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
108. I have no problem with any religion... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
113. Well Padraig, while I won't and don't go out of my way to denigrate them |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. I'll take you up on your deal. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Cool, then I will work with you and your friends of faith |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. *grin* |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:55 PM Response to Reply #113 |
204. I hear you! |
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
132. I agree completely. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Thank you! |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
137. Good post, but |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. Thank you! |
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chispa (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
138. Uncivil discourse.... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. Welcome to DU! |
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Hephaistos (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #138 |
239. Welcome |
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RBHam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
144. They have declared WAR on us. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. "They" |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
147. Heres my take |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. I agree. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:17 PM Response to Reply #147 |
189. So us "Liberals" are guilty of making the faithfull uncomfortable. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #189 |
221. Well my religion |
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samtob (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
151. Another point.... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. Point well made. n/t |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
154. I guess your talking to me, check out the bumpersticker I just ordered |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. LOL! |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #154 |
177. No, that's just funny. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
157. We appear intolerant because religious people want to make |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #157 |
170. Let's say (theoretically) that my faith involves human sacrifice. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #170 |
197. That's a logical fallicy... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. I'm gald you caught that... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
174. All I am asking for is the protection of my liberal brothers and sisters.. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #174 |
188. All I ask |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #188 |
192. Don't know exactly how you get that out of what I've said. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #192 |
199. Your wording |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #199 |
214. That's not the full sentence. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #214 |
251. Because the thread is about DU |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 10:26 AM Response to Reply #251 |
254. I apologize for not being clear enough. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #188 |
198. Not our job here to protect "Good Christians" from "Bad Christians" |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #198 |
218. It IS our job to protect each other. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
186. I simply don't agree. |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #186 |
202. Good Post. |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
194. More of the same bullshit. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. That would be interesting, if it bore any resemblance to what I wrote. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #196 |
205. Then, what are you saying? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #205 |
206. I said quite clearly what I meant. |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. "liberal chic"? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:05 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. FYI, I know this. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #206 |
209. That really isn't what you said. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. Christian bashing is the second-most popular sport on DU! |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. Second only to "enabling", |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. And atheist bashing is the second most popular |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #213 |
224. Not on these boards. |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. they meant real-life, i think... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. I realize that - but that's not what this thread was about. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #228 |
238. More and more, I'm thinking this thread |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #224 |
234. See my post #229 in this thread. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #224 |
244. Oh, and find me |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #244 |
253. One has nothing to do with the other. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #253 |
257. You seemed to think |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #210 |
229. Let's try this: |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #194 |
216. No the problem |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
201. Oh Brother! |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
212. >X |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
215. man |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #215 |
220. What did I say I believed? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. how many angels |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #222 |
227. That's a non-answer. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #227 |
232. i'll bite |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #232 |
235. And....? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #235 |
236. look |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #236 |
240. A real question would be nice. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #227 |
233. and please |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. And please... |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. i' m not |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. You're ASSUMING, not inferring. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. no |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. Well, I *do* believe we need to learn how to have a civil discourse.. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. okay |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #247 |
248. OK. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #246 |
249. fyi |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #249 |
250. Depends. |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
217. i'm confused as to why what goes on in this... |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Because |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. what do you mean by discrimination? |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. Read the thread. |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #225 |
230. but like i said... |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #230 |
231. No its the fact that people |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #231 |
242. i'm guessing very few do that |
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buddhamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
255. for me a person's "faith" |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #255 |
259. I basically agree with you. |
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buddhamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #259 |
260. I know you exist |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
261. so basically you are complaining about being treated the same way |
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