"Muslims Outraged"?

[jtb33]

Yahoo news (and CNN, etc) reports that muslims are outraged over the killing of an unarmed man in a mosque by a US Marine. Just curious, but where is there outrage for the Iraqi/Irish woman whose torso - not even a body - was just found? Wasn't she a humanitarian worker?

This lady spent 30 years in there helping these people. She is (was, now) married to an Iraqi man.

[NewHampshireDem]

1. You're absolutely right!

I'm sure not a single one of those barbarians cares at all about this murder.

</sarcasm off>

[Old and In the Way]

2. If they were outraged-

would you hear about it?

Do we know who did it? To your point, why would Iraqi's do this to someone who was helping them? Maybe it wasn't Iraqi's. Maybe it was....al CIAda?

If I recall, Iraqis were also tied into 9/11, too. And we were 45 minutes away from having nuclear bombs detonated on us by those evil Iraqi's.

[Deja Q]

3. If you thought you were in a religious war,

would your co-citizens give more grief over the death of one's own, or that of a foreign religion or, worse, the religion that's being fought against - regardless of how much help that person had given?

Like it or not, topped with *'s own comments (the "crusade against evil" bit was not very fetching when he said it way back when), we are in a religious war.


BOTH deaths are disgusting. So are the tens of thousands of other deaths. But, as they see it, and as many Americans see it, it is a religious war. And shit like this is gonna happen.

[DrWeird]

4. Are you outraged about the unarmed man shot by the marine?

Are you or aren't you?

[NewHampshireDem]

9. Isn't it obvious ...

Freeps want you to believe you can't be outraged at both! Dead Americans, bad ... dead Iraqis, good ... dead liberal aid workers, well, it's bad because their American, but good because they're meddlesome do-gooders.

[wurzel]

5. Your point is that "They" are as bad as "Us"?

[Djinn]

6. CNN didn't say they were outraged so they obviuosly weren't???

this is simialr to the bullshit after september 11 when people went on and on about Palestinians cheering, and while I'm sure some did they didn't organise a big public cheer - that footage that was endlessly repeated on the news was YEARS old.

No-one made any mention of the prayer vigils and candles that were set up all over the Muslim world.

[Minimus]

7. that was not Hassan - That body has not been identified yet

ABC news said Al jazerra (sp?) would not show the Hassan execution because it was too gruesome. But the showed the marine shooting over and over and over.

[ProfessorPlum]

8. You sound like the people who wanted me to get all het up

about some people getting their heads chopped off. Even though they were working with an invading army in somebody else's country. Not that I don't feel bad for them, and their families, but . . . not helping invaders is usually a good plan for living longer.

[THUNDER HANDS]

10. i'm sure they'll have plenty of time to reflect on this

once we leave their country in 50 years.

[leftchick]

11. we don't know who killed Ms. Hassan...

CIA perhaps? That would certainly make more sense. We do know however who killed the unarmed barely breathing Iraqi, and it is being played over and over again unedited on Arab TV. Now who looks like the monster?

[ConservativeDemocrat]

12. Yes, there are.

Many, if not most, Muslims are horrified by the atrocities being committed in the name of their faith. However, they live in societies where the "Religious Right" rules just about everything, so they don't have a good mechanism for expressing that. Furthermore, if they did, it might be mistaken for support for the U.S. invasion, which nobody wants to be associated with.

Just as you and I should not be associated with the actions of President Bush, we should not hold all Muslims accountable for the atrocities some criminals do in the name of their faith.

- C.D.

[gerrilea]

13. Yes Conserv-dem you are right....unfortunately our grandchildren...

will be fighting each other over the actions of a few religious zealots on both sides...* and the CIA are by far the worst offenders in all of this...the CIA took down a Democratically Elected and Run Country...this country was/is IRAN...but most Americans don't know these simple facts...how are we...If it wasn't for this website I wouldn't know about BBV and the fraud we call our Presidential Election...

Unfortunately the Muslim Fundamentalists are a direct reaction to our actions over the last 50 years...they are fighting for there own country...

BTW...* and Cheney plan on privatizing the oil fields in Iraq...quess who is going to buy them...the Iraqi's don't have a choice in this...doesn't anyone think this is wrong? What if the former Soviet Union invaded the US and forced us to sell off all of our natural resources to their privately owned companies...don't you think the old '80's movie "Red Dawn" would actually happen here...but we would then be branded...religious zealots...and terrorists...we must take the reseponsibility here...no one else's fault...

[Karenina]

15. And ya know what else?

Iraqi farmers aren't "allowed" to save their seeds from plants THEY GREW when spring comes around. The U.S. says they have to BUY all their seeds every year from Monsanto. They are PATENTED! And GM!!! Now isn't THAT special?

[ConservativeDemocrat]

18. I am well aware of the overthrow of Mohammad Mossadegh

And the repercussions that followed it. However, we should all acknowledge that Muslim extremists are by no means innocent little flower children who would be all wonderful and nice (and ever so feminist), if only it weren't for what bad old America and Britain did back in the early 50s. We and the British (who were the real instigators of the coup) bear some of the blame for the modern Middle East, but by no means are we responsible for all of it.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the CIA-backed coup doesn't even make the top ten Muslim grievances against the U.S. The top three would be Supporting Israeli settlements, Supplying Israel with weapons, and giving Israel monetary aid. Next followed by: vetoing anti-Israel resolutions in the security council, calling "resistance" fighters who kill Israeli civilians "terrorists", and refusing to pressure Israel sufficiently in "land for peace" deals.

Oh, and there's also "Infidels in Saudi Arabia", the Iraq war, American "cultural imperialism" (e.g. liberal western values like feminism, etc.) and did I mention Israel?

Hell, even in Iran itself, there is a saying. Paraphrased, it goes: Bread was cheaper under the Shah. Meaning, life under the Mullahs is no better, or actually worse. So I'm not sure the coup is any source of anti-U.S. sentiment - or wouldn't, if we'd just stuck to fixing up Afghanistan after we took out the Taliban.

- C.D.

[othermeans]

14. Well stated, intelligently put without emotion its a shame you don't work

for the State Department. Well never mind they're purging all the liberals anyway.

[mogster]

16. This is just the old blame game

Why bother? Both the US soldier, the Iraqi unarmed combatant and the unfortunate Mrs. Margaret Hassan is victims in this war.

> This lady spent 30 years in there helping these people.

Yes. And those she helped will remember her for that. 'These people' suggests that you see the people she helped as the same as the one's who've killed her. And quite frankly, no one has answered that yet.

Hit the target, not the ones which is objected to an increasingly unjust and strange war, wether US troops or innocent victims. And don't compare the moral of a band that behead unarmed, tied up people from behind with the moral of the US Army.
You do expect a lot more from the US troops and most of them are showing their democratic spirit in a difficult situation.

If a adrenalin-junked soldier makes mistakes, its nothing new. It will hit bad in the moslem opinion, though.

[mzmolly]

17. I dunno, are YOU as outraged at the killing of innocent Iraqis as the

killing of innocent hostages? :shrug:

Each death in this senseless war on George Bush's soul, every ... one.

[alcuno]

19. al Hayat led with both stories - outrage for both.

The problem is, of course, that we get lumped in with terrorists beheading aid workers. It's a race to the bottom on the PR scale.

[Bluebear]

20. How ever did she survive 30 years of Saddam?

Just askin'.