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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:46 PM
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History is repeating itself. Night of the Long Knives = Bush CIA Purge
commongroundcommonsense online forum has already started research on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

The Night of the Long Knives, also known as Reichsmordwoche or "the Blood Purge" (German, Nacht der langen Messer) was a purge ordered by Adolf Hitler of potential political rivals in the Sturmabteilung, or S.A. The Night of the Long Knives took place during the late night of June 30 and the early morning of July 1 in 1934. Official records tally the dead at 77, though 400 are believed to have been killed.

By the summer of 1933, the S.A. had grown discontent with the progress of the Nazi regime. Many had taken seriously the "socialism" of "National Socialism", and were angry that Hitler and the other party leaders had not. As a result, they grew increasingly distant from the Nazi leadership and believed further steps needed to be taken to achieve substantive social and economic change. They also wanted to become the core of a new German army.

By 1934, Hitler dominated Germany's government, but still feared losing power in a coup d'état. To maintain complete control, he allowed political infighting to continue among his subordinates. As a result, a political struggle grew, with Hermann Göring, Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich on one side and Ernst Röhm, the leader of the S.A., on the other. The S.A. was the only remaining viable threat to Hitler's power.

The power of Röhm and his violent organization frightened his rivals. Goering and Himmler asked Heydrich to assemble a dossier of manufactured evidence to suggest that Röhm had been paid 12 million marks by France to overthrow Hitler. Himmler presented the "evidence" to Hitler, fuelling his suspicion that Röhm intended to use the S.A. to launch a plot against him. At the time, Himmler was also organizing his own Nazi paramilitary group, which later came to be known as the SS (Schutzstaffel).

Hitler had always liked Röhm; he was one of the first members of the Nazi Party, participating in the Beer Hall Putsch. But Hitler was under increasing pressure to reduce the S.A. influence. German military leaders were unhappy with Röhm's proposal that the German army be absorbed into the larger S.A., and the industrialists that supported Hitler were concerned over the S.A.'s socialist leanings. The regular army was also alarmed by the size of the S.A. — in early 1934 it numbered 2.5 million, while the army was limited by the Treaty of Versailles to 100,000. Members of the Nazi party also viewed Röhm and some other S.A. leaders with distaste because they frequently practiced homosexual acts.

With all these groups aligned against Röhm, Hitler decided to act. He ordered all S.A. leaders to attend a meeting at the Hanselbauer Hotel in Wiessee near Munich. On June 30 Hitler took personal command of Röhm's arrest. Alfred Rosenberg's diary provides an account:
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:49 PM
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1. I see also see a repeat of history
We seem to be redoing the early 70s. Iraq = Vietnam
Election fraud = Watergate
Nixon claiming mandate in reelection in 1972 = Shrub claiming political capital in 2004

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:49 PM
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2. See Al Stewart's song
The last day of june 1934.
On the past, present, and future album.
On Ernst Rohm.

"But I dreamed that I saw him come over the hill, with a whole ghostly army of men at his heels, and trapped in the moment it seemed to be real, like before, on the last day of June, 1934."
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:51 PM
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3. Bush has obviously learned
from Grandaddy's best friends.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:52 PM
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4. And Rice...
is about to do this at State.

Everyone who had taken seriously the "compassionate" in Compassionate Conservatism will be targets. Or something like that.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:53 PM
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5. Thats more than just a little stretch.
Try that comparison again when Arlen Spector is murdered.

Until then, this is hyperbole.
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agingdem Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:53 PM
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6. Funny you should talk about this...
my parents were Holocaust survivors and I'm beginning to feel I'm witnessing a second purge. I truly believe that Rove admired Hitler and is emulating the circumstances of Hitler rise to power.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:05 PM
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7. Schwartzenegger once said he admired Hitler
and he is being groomed to take the office, if they can change that article of the consitiution preventing him from doing so.

And you saw how they just changed the rules to keep Delay in power while he is indicted.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:15 PM
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8. They are from the same country and Germany did have the same law
people forget about that part of HISTORY.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:15 PM
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9. Hitler on activist judges and how to handle them:
"If anyone reproaches me and asks why I did not resort to the regular courts of justice, then all I can say is this: In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I became the supreme judge (oberster Gerichtsherr) of the German people".

- from William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1959.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:19 PM
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10. Reichstag Fire = 9/11
It's been a pattern for some time...
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:14 AM
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11. But we have not seen any murders yet.
Otherwise I agree this is a reckless concentration of power in the Chimp Admin.
They're going to try to run everything.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:35 AM
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13. bush/cheney/Rove don't need to murder opponents to....
consolidate power. this would not be effective with risk of being caught and the ensuing domestic/international backlash etc... Instead they have found a method that does effectively the same thing without the risks.. Character "assasination"...
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:38 AM
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15. In that case - history does not need to repeat its self
for the end result to be the same.
I agree. This is a fascist administration, in its purest form.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:17 AM
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16. when the government and MSmedia is corporate controlled,...
and you have the top PR professionals in the world spinning information, and perhaps vote tampering to boot...character assasination is very effective.

victims list so far:

Ann Richards- weak on crime
John McCain- traitor
Gray Davis- fiscally irresponsible (can i say ENRON)
John Kerry- flip flop, traitor
Max Cleland- unpatriotic
Tom Daschle- disconnected
Dan Rather- leftie liar- rove planted document?
Joseph Wilson/Valeri Plame
CIA- anyone not loyal to ****.
France- freedom fries!
Europe- Old Europe alla PNAC Rummy

real assasination?
Paul Wellstone- did they kill him?


anyone else I missed?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:35 PM
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17. Being on their hate list is like getting listed on an honor role.
You just cant underestimate the stupidity of the Amerikan voters.
And even then, how free and honest was this election ?
Until part of that 52% of the voting electorate gets its fill of flirting with fascism - and maybe that won't even happen - we are embattled.

meanwhile we can fill up our humvees at the pump and watch the superbowel game with plenty of beer, doritos and velveeta.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Am I being too dire ?
oh let's see; who did you leave off ?

Jimmy Carter : naive and a traitor for giving back the Panama Canal
All the blue states for being out of touch.

and many more than I can mention
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:07 AM
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20. how could i have forgotten the biggest hit of all...
Bill Clinton! while the pukes were trying to impeach him for a bj, al quaeda was planning 911- one could argue that the constant distraction of fighting off the pukes attepts to make scandals out of nothing, kept clinton's focus off the gathering threat and critical work of protecting the country from terrorism. Thanks Pukes! I believe Richard Clark argued this, although i haven't yet read his book.

The hit on Carter- wasn't it the arms for hostages deal?- as i recall the hostages were unceramoniously released after Raygun was elected.. i would bet that there were some behind the scenes deals going on to keep them until after the election, and reward the hostage takers handsomly afterwords.

they have already started the drumbeat on Hillary
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:57 PM
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18. Well, the S.A. was a paramilitary group, meaning they were
fighters, so of course Hitler would have had to kill them.

And the common element is the same: take military rivals and murder them (Hitler), take political rivals and remove them from office (Bush).

Now, in the same way the Jews were quarantined and killed, perhaps we will see liberals marginalized and removed from any and all power positions? Possibly, possibly.

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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:07 PM
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19. so when do we start having to wear blue arm bands ?
I guess they would have to be peace symbols ?

Agree, murder is a bit old fashioned and messy. Its better being set aside and marginalized. Its happening as we speak. The mad cowboy cancer is spreading - already metastasizing . I am just amazed at the rapidity.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:15 AM
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12. I glad this is happening now
and not after Bush is elected president.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:40 AM
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14. Great avatar!

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