Freepers calling for murder of the Fallujah Mosque Cameraman

[Modem Butterfly]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281423/posts

No need for anything overt. Unfortunate things happen in combat zones, and if the reporter fails to hear someone yell "Sniper!!", well, c'est la guerre.
9 posted on 11/16/2004 1:11:50 PM PST by Charles Martel

more along the lines that Mr. Sites life is in danger being around the Marines

I would certainly hope so.
19 posted on 11/16/2004 1:53:38 PM PST by sport

I wish. This guy Sites shouldn't walk away from this unscathed. Red America wants justice.
21 posted on 11/16/2004 1:57:26 PM PST by faithincowboys

I wrote Mr. S.......suggested he best hope he never needs one of our heroes to watch his back.
24 posted on 11/16/2004 2:01:10 PM PST by OldFriend

Or are you proposing some sort of mob justice?

No, I'm predicting it.
36 posted on 11/16/2004 2:22:42 PM PST by TigersEye

He's an effin traitor. He is aiding the enemy. He should be tried and killed.
66 posted on 11/16/2004 4:31:36 PM PST by I got the rope

[BlueEyedSon]

1. They are human pieces of shit...nt

[feistydem]

6. true except for the "human" part. . . roach shit, maybe

[Roxy66]

65. Was this forwarded to MSNBC.....This is a serious threat

[ProfessorPlum]

2. Wow. It's literally shooting the messenger.

When metaphors come to life.

[burythehatchet]

9. here's another metaphor

let the eagle soaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr
live she's never soared befoooooooooooooooorrrrree

[slor]

3. Ain't Christianity Grand! n/t

[progmom]

13. Please please please don't confuse Freepers with Christians.

Please?
Not all Freepers are Christians (and I question those Freepers who claim to be, actually), and certainlyallk Christians are not Freepers. Anyone claiming to follow the teachings of Christ would be an idiot to say these things.

Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[yardwork]

42. I'll go further. A lot of Republicans who claim to be Christians aren't

No Christian would say or do the things that a lot of self-proclaimed Christians are saying and doing these days.

It's important to remember the distinction. However, it is the Republicans and false Christians who created this confusion in the first place.

[CarbonDate]

69. And yet...

"No Christian would say or do the things that a lot of self-proclaimed Christians are saying and doing these days."

And yet they are.

They would argue that *you* aren't a real Christian. Just like they would argue that we aren't real Americans. And yet we are.

They're Christians; I don't get to disavow GIs who commit war-crimes. You don't get to disavow Christians who are evil. We all live with our respective reasons for shame.

[progmom]

70. Ok, you're right.

It isn't fair for us to claim that evil people aren't Christians. I think what I'm really trying to say is that their idea of Christianity doesn't match up with mine, and what I fercvently believe was its original intentions.
Fair enough?

[Is It Fascism Yet]

52. What pisses me off is that now I have to memorize their friggin mythology!

You know, I am about fed up with hearing what Jesus said. And yet, I realize that you can quote biblical support for either side of any issue, so now that I live in a Christo-fascist dictatorship, I have to study this friggin mythology, hateful stuff, so that I can fling back a bible quote to counter any bible quote flung at me in the new theocracy. That sucks. Makes me wanna have a Cheney-Tourettes moment just thinking about it. It also sucks that if I say bible you think I am talking Christian, as opposed to any other bible, and Christians are so ego-centric they don't even know there ARE other bibles. I used to feel ambivalent about Christian mythology, thinking is was harmless to those who liked it, but I was wrong. Ladies, get your out burka's, gentlemen, polish that hand pistol one last time, for Christo-fascism is upon us, and just as Taliban insists on the mindless chant, "Allah is great" now our favorite American tyrants insist on their version of mindless chant, "Jesus is great." I really hate being pulled into this silly shit, I wish all the religious fanatics would just grow up, realize they are all doing the same thing and calling it different names, leave the rest of us out of it, and keep their philosophical epiphanies to themselves.

[progmom]

57. If you do decide to read it

You will find that it isn't actually hateful stuff at all. The bad guys twist it, mangle it, take it out of context to fit their needs. But placed within context, Jesus's message is about love and tolerance.
And many Christians - myself included - are not so egocentric as to believe that there is only one true religion or one true Bible.

I totally appreciate where you are coming from, but I want to make sure that you understand where I am too. I get frustrated by people's assumptions that Christianity is an evil cult populated by hate-mongering assholes. (Yes, yes - many people are just that, and claim to be doing it in God's name - I know. That pisses me off even more!)

[Is It Fascism Yet]

62. Oh, yes, I have read "it" , and its hateful stuff alright

I am a recovered Catholic. You can bet the nuns forced this accursed compilation of nonsense myth upon me from early childhood. But, as soon as I attained adulthood, I was gleefully able to ignore it! Now I find I must keep this hate-filled archaic mythlogoy in mind because it rules my country. I really think religion is the dumbest thing anybody over the age of 3 ever belived. Let's just go back to Grim's Fairy Tales, at least they were pretty, sometimes. Or how about the ancient greek myths, at least those gods were fun. They had a sense of humor, unlike Allah or Jesus. Can you tell me even one joke Jesus ever told? Hey, the bible is okay as a literary device, but, this is nonsense, and I really want christians to keep if OFF of me. You see, you read in my post how annoyed I was at having the bible forced on me, and your first response was to incorrectly tell me I was judging it without knowledge, an untrue assumption, and then you preceeded to force it on me again. I hate that damn book. I didn't used to hate it, I used to just think it was stupid to literally believe myth, but, since I have so often found it shoved at me, I am really starting to hold the whole damned book and the whole damned christian religion in real contempt. Just to set the record straight, when I say it is hateful stuff, I speak with the knowledge of bible only a graduate of parochial schools could claim. For instance, God tells Abraham to kill his son and Abe thinks he should obey so, he is a good guy right? Stupid hateful shit. Political garble wrapped in a shoddy attempt at poetry. I have read the damned christian bible. And the Koran. (equal, they are equal bullshit political propaganda). I have escaped druggings and attempted kidnappings at the Moonie seminary. I have read the Satanic Bible, the Witches Bible, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Sanscrit, The Tibetan Book of The Dead, and innummerable other works. Have you? Maybe if you tried a few other mythological systems you would see they are all 1. works of liberary interest, 2. systems of cultural mythology, 3. attempts at poetry, 4. polical tools, none of these texts, none of them, in my opinion is about philosophy or the true nature of reality. They are all about politics, always, and that's all this stuff is ever used for. "Religion is the opiate of the masses" (marx) "Religion is nonsense but useful for keeping the pesants under control" Notice how the folks who use this political tool are always oppressors? That's why Shrub fits in and uses it too. Tell me, why are pediphiliac priests and nuns okay with christians? What do you think is so great about Abraham wanting to kill his child because he hears voices? Abe should have been in a straight jacket and dosed with thorazine for hearing voices telling him to kill.

[progmom]

68. Sorry.

I'm sorry that you find it hateful, and I am sorry that you thought that I was shoving it down your throat. Seriously. It sounds like you have had some tough times.

And I misunderstood your comment about having to study this stuff as being something you were planning to do in the future, not something you had done previously. I truly did not intend to accuse you of ignorance in this regard.

FWIW, I have been very quiet about my faith until recently. The only reason I have decided to mention it at all in any context has been to try to let people know that, for me, being a Christian has everything to do with love, forgiveness, humility and tolerance, and not the crap that hateful televangelists are spewing.

So please accept my very earnest apology.

:hi:

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

72. You are so, completely right about religion

The only religion that comes close to a philosophy is the Aztec religion, in which the gods are forces of nature and don't care one whit what humans think or do.

What freaks me out--in regard to the similarity of religions--is that Buddhists go to church on Sunday and burn incense, use rosary beads, and have priests who shave their heads, wear robes and are known to molest boys. What's up with that?

[slor]

63. Do I really need to type...

that I am being sarcastic?

[whistle]

4. freeper = KKK

[Winamericaback]

5. The US attorney general may be able to charge him with sedition.

Holy crap,

These people are INSANE!

What its his fault that the marine is a murdering nut job? He didn't ask the marine to do it so he would have news to show the world.

I asked my Freeper mother about this today and she looked at me and said " I don't want to talk about it." I told her yeah I figured that.

PATHETIC!

[girl gone mad]

12. Here's their stupid logic:

The marine in question didn't do anything wrong, the video in question doesn't show evidence of any wrongdoing, yet, somehow the reporter in question should be tried for treason, fragged by marines and left behind to be beheaded by insurgents for giving the tape to the media instead of destroying it.

When a half-sensible fellow freeper points out the gaping hole in their reasoning, they jump on him like a pack of rabid hyenas ("Have YOU ever served in the military? You must be some kind of LIBERAL COMMIE TRAITOR.")

[Winamericaback]

14. Not Surprised

Not at all,

But you have to wonder what difference that makes?!

You don;t have to serve in the military to know that shooting an unarmed person is wrong. We don't give that break to our cops, they face pressure every single day for a LIFETIME...

I'm trying to figure out how to reason with these people on a multitude of issues but the anger and hatred that emanates from them makes it impossible.

[girl gone mad]

50. It's just their standard retort.

A defense mechanism, I guess.

You don't have to spend much time on that site to begin to see cracks in the facade. They're always the first to attack a serviceman for saying anything that doesn't completely conform to their rigid opinions. They often have little sympathy for the disabled vets, impoverished war wives or grieving gold star mothers.

[leftynyc]

64. Don't forget how much they hate vets

who are Democrats.

[Missy Vixen]

19. My main source of amusement these days

>When a half-sensible fellow freeper points out the gaping hole in their reasoning, they jump on him like a pack of rabid hyenas ("Have YOU ever served in the military? You must be some kind of LIBERAL COMMIE TRAITOR.")<

My husband is a vet. He's also a Democrat. Imagine the head explosion when we point out to those on the other side of the aisle (who, interestingly enough, have NEVER, to a man, served in the military,) that he served his country. One can almost see the smoke coming out of their ears. How can a Libbbbbruuuuuulllllll have served in the military? It's impossible, y'know.

I guess it's not very nice to laugh at them, but I've had more than one good guffaw at the expense of various F*eepi.

Julie

[flygal]

53. My husband had to defend himself for hours one night at a

Christmas party. He was a Navy Lt. and it was the units annual party in 2000 - and yep, he mentioned he voted for Gore and another LT just couldn't let it go that he was crazy. Funny thing, the next Monday his CO told everyone he too voted for Gore.

But now, I love shoving the fact that he's a vet who votes dem into the face of repugs who never stepped foot inside a recruiter's office.

[OutsourceBush]

51. This is part of the beauty of extremists...

....watching them try to out extreme each other and slay their own. Pass the popcorn and enjoy the show as the Nazi skin-heads behead each other when something happens and we accidental get to see behind their iron curtain of terror.






http://www.BigTentDemocrats.com

[Is It Fascism Yet]

54. poor kid

its really a drag that polical hype is causing so much distress in family relationships isn't it? So much for the "family values" of the "uniter". Shrub was a uniter, all right, he divided us, but he DID unite our enemies. I have 3 neocon nephews I never want to speak to again. Seriously. Sorry about your mom's myopia, hope you will still have a good relationship again one day.

[Gothic Sponge]

7. What do you expect from the soulless?

[slor]

8. Actually...

send that link to msnbc...they need to see those "moral values" they like to spout on about in action.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

35. Was referenced on the Nightly News!

Don't know which channel-- NBC with Tom Brokaw IIRC-- but on the national newscast at 6:30 p.m. they were doing a little spiel on the reactions in the blogosphere to the Marine shooting in the mosque in Fallujah. They cited some Dem and lefty blogs (possibly DU!), and they also cited Freep-- and they specifically singled out one of those lunatic comments calling for a Marine to shoot the reporter. This thing's already gone national, and in this case our respective bloggings were newsworthy for the "establishment." This story has legs.

[Stevious]

10. These are moral values?

:wtf:

[Cleita]

11. Do any adults post at FR?

These sound like a bunch of kids raised on fantasy video games talking garbage.

[TexasChick]

18. They sure do. A Freeptard father posted on Freeptardville right before

the election. A DU member posted the thread. It was a thread about this father who said he had a son in Iraq in a particular region (can't remember the region). The boy was reported dead and the Freeptard father said the description sounded just like his son, and he said he didn't care if it turned out to be his son, he was still voting for the Chimp! Nice to have these Nazis as parents, huh? I'm glad that asshat is not my father!

[d_b]

15. The freakers.

what a buncha fuckin' weirdos.

[slowroll]

16. fucking idiots.

Sites isn't in the slightest anti-military. He uses nothing but glowing terms to describe the Marines he's around and doesn't even offer an opinion on the incident other than that it was "confusing". He was just doing his job-reporting what happened.

[AnIndependentTexan]

17. PRAISE JESUSLAND AND THEIR MORAL VALUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[liberalmuse]

20. This country has gone to the crapper...

And these freepturds need to be flushed. What a toxic waste dump FR is.

That does it. Off to bed. My stomach is heaving with disgust. 'Night all!

[ugarte]

21. I like the one calling himself "I got the rope"

These KKK assholes don't even try to be subtle anymore.

[JohnnyRingo]

22. Isn't this how it worked out for Salmand Rushdie ?

Pissin' off "fundies" is now a hazard to your health in this country too.

oh great.

[JohnnyRingo]

23. Isn't this how it worked out for Salmand Rushdie ?

Pissin' off "fundies" is now a hazard to your health in this country too.

oh great.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

24. It's outright incitement of murder.

This goes beyond repugnant-- it's flatly illegal, direct incitement of murder against a US citizen. Big no-no-- this is crossing a line.

[recovering democrat]

27. Do ya think Ashcroft will prosecute?...

before his retirement as Attorney General takes effect?

I doubt it.

[yardwork]

44. They do it all the time on Free Republic

Freepers are constantly demanding that somebody be killed - usually a Republican who isn't "pure" enough for them. John McCain is a constant target. So is Bill O'Reilly.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

25. It's outright incitement of murder.

This goes beyond repugnant-- it's flatly illegal, direct incitement of murder against a US citizen. Big no-no-- this is crossing a line.

[gerrilea]

26. They should be reported to Homeland Security!!!

Isn't that what they have done for us? Seems fair to me...?!

[Zorra]

28. Freepers have this strange aversion to truth. Such sad creatures

[Toby109]

29. I had a close relative

who laughed in agreement with the sentiment. War is a sickening, dehumanizing practice that afflicts both the soldiers and those that actively support them. This world is a sickening place sometimes. I am so fucking tired of it. I am a recovering Christian and I know that Jesus was against killing no matter what the reason.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

30. In freeper logic, telling the truth about a Repubilcan is "bias"

Before the election, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune ran an op-ed comparing the lives of John Kerry and GW Bush, telling what each had been doing at corresponding ages. Of course, it became apparent that Bushboy had done essentially nothing before the age of 40 and precious little after that. Republicanites wrote in indignantly about the "biased" article.

Today I got the newest issue of Discover, which had run an article comparing the science policies of Bush and Kerry. This issue contained the freeper reaction: the article was "biased" in favor of Kerry. The editors replied that it was not their fault that scientists really were worried about the effects of Bush's policies on scientific research.

[AnIndependentTexan]

31. man I love this poster

your points been made are you going to challenge everyone here?
It is in my nature to challenge mob ideology.

What is you axe to grind?

I am genuinely skeptical of angry mobs' motives; a large number of FReepers are acting as if this is some sort of shameful act that must be concealed from view at all costs, including killing the journalist who filmed it.

Perhaps you are Mr. Sites himself!

Nope. Just a former Marine who's watching the reactions with some suspicion.


63 posted on 11/16/2004 4:25:46 PM PST by Poohbah
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Poohbah is kicking butt on the freepers and just happens to be a marine who thinks it is wrong what they are saying. They don't even realize they are insulting a marine!

[AnIndependentTexan]

39. Freeper logic! When the truth comes out INSULT

You self-righteous sanctimonious little prick!

Here are our Marines going to battle in awful circumstances so you can sit on your fat ass behind your computer and pontificate.

You are no FReeper.



83 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:38 PM PST by Palladin

[AnIndependentTexan]

40. More freeper logic! Respect only the marines that kill innocents

Having been a Marine doesn't give you anymore credentials in this debate. There have been more than a few former Vietnam combat vets who have shown their true colors in the last year, and they don't deserve my respect. One decorated veteran that comes to mind is Wesley Clark. There are many, many other examples. I wouldn't want to depend on that twerp to cover my back in a fight.

88 posted on 11/16/2004 6:24:44 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker

[AnIndependentTexan]

43. Freeper logic! Press is bad but Abu Grahib is ok

Why the demand that the press not show allegedly OK acts?
Because America's enemies will not spend a single second analyzing what actually happened and will gleefully portray the video as a clear cut case of murder regardless of the facts.

Because America's Liberal media will do likewise if it suits their political agenda.

Words are the ideal medium for complex situations.

Photos and videos are the medium of communication for those who don't want to be bothered with thinking. They are therefore the red meat of hate propaganda.

When the Abu Grahib case was described in words, the news media yawned.

When the red meat of the Abu Grahib photos came out, the Liberal news media and America's enemies went into a propaganda blitz that nearly derailed the American war effort.


93 posted on 11/16/2004 7:06:15 PM PST by Polybius

[AnIndependentTexan]

46. Freeper logic! When the truth sits in Insult someone else!

As far as I can tell the marine did nothing wrong. But the only thing I see Sikes doing wrong is not getting the video cleared for any sensitive information. Nothing in the video betrayed confidential information. He should be punished for violating the rules, but he is no traitor. The difference between Sikes and Kerry is that Sikes is describing what DID happen, while Kerry described stuff that DIDN'T happen.

Those of you comparing Sikes to Kerry are implicitly endorsing that Kerry wasn't lying and slandering in Congress.



101 posted on 11/16/2004 9:21:40 PM PST by KillBill

[AnIndependentTexan]

47. Freeper logic! Don't think for yourself just join the mob

Kerry is definitely worse. In proper context or not, Sites is using footage of stuff that actually occurred. Kerry flat-out lied to the US Congress about Vietnam.

Sites may be many things, but he's not John Kerry.



102 posted on 11/16/2004 9:23:05 PM PST by KillBill

[LynnTheDem]

67. And that "marine" is saying it's OK to shoot & kill unarmed wounded people

ALL freeping rightwingnuts are sociopathic ASSHOLES. And they're also incredibly ignorant.

[HuskerDem]

32. Red America wants justice

RED AMERICA? FUCK YOU FREEPTARD!

CHOKE ON IT!

[chefgirl]

34. Exactly my response when I read that

RED AMERICA? WTF is wrong with these people?

And what exactly is it these idiots want revenge for, anyway?? Because the cameraman had the audacity to tell the fucking truth??

Moral values my ass.

-chef-

[TexasChick]

36. Actually, you're talking about the tards that still that Saddam had WMD!

Now, a lot of these Freeptards are one sandwich short of a picnic, don't ya think?

[Left Is Write]

33. And Dems are supposed to be the party

that's wallowing in hatred. Right. Sure.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

37. Filthy scumbag pukes

.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

38. Freepers getting their fat lazy pasty asses handed to them by a Marine

Not a Marine of the scumbag Freeper mentality who cheers on executions of unarmed men

[Swamp Rat]

41. These creatures are in dire need of ANY sexual experience other than

masturbating on the Internet.

[Bake]

45. These subhumans are destined for the flames of Hell!

Oh yes, they believe in Hell. And the flames there will burn away their rotted corpses for all eternity.

All the cameraman did was record for posterity what their hero did! They should THANK him for getting it on video for all posterity to glorify! Oh, I'm sorry, did their hero (i.e., the shooter) fuck up? Murder somebody? Of course, the cameraman must die!! It's only reasonable!

We are so fucked.

Bake

[Cleita]

48. They want to kill one of their own?

Because the video was taken by a guy from my area, who is from a conservative military family.

[OutsourceBush]

49. They are used to killing their own

no big deal to them.









http://www.BigTentDemocrats.com

[Cat Atomic]

55. So once again, the problem isn't the murder, it's the photograph.

Whatever. If they've got such clarity, maybe those fat chickenshits should enlist.

[Bluebear]

56. Grand. A "Freeper Fatwa" n/t

[FM Arouet666]

58. The right wingers where making noise on the radio today.

I was listening to O'Reilly today, don't ask why, I also stick pins in my eye lids :spank:, and every caller supported the marine who killed the insurgent. Most were full of venom blaming liberals for bringing this to light.

I watched the video tonight, my interpretation is of marine that became angry that a wounded man was feigning death. He then flew into a rage and killed him. I'm sorry, killing a wounded unarmed man is simply wrong. To then condemn those who caught this murder on film is morally reprehensible. And this from the supposed moral party.

[nine23]

59. I've only been lurking over at FR for about a year, but

...I'm sure at some point they've devoted an entire thirty page thread promoting the assasination of Lisa Simpson.

[Erika]

60. Freepers Still Believe Iraq had WMD's and could harm us.

No reality to these people. But I guess it makes it easier for them to defend killing an unarmed Iraqi if they believe he is a horrible devil that only lives to kill them. And to justify their insane vote for Bush.

[Threedifferentones]

61. Every time someone here links a thread from that site

I always get so angry I just want to register there and tell all of them off. They're upset because the facts don't coincide with they way they like to think about the world, and so any time someone points the facts out to them violence is their first response...IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY!!!

I feel slightly better now.

3DO

[LynnTheDem]

66. Of course; TRUTH, FACTS, REALITY = ENEMY! TRAITOR! KILL KILL KILL!!!

That's their CHRISTIAN MORAL VALUES.

[EOTE]

71. Holy crap!

Not only is this guy a frothing maniac, he's barely coherant. Can anyone make sense of this:

To: Poohbah; Darksheare; Old Sarge
You know what... I have been gracious with you up to this point, but now you have taken it a step to far... you act like a true liberal... pick and choose the part of the statments you want to attack and question then spout your own rhetoric...

let me ask you this if you are so set in your opinons... Have you ever been in combat? Have you served in the military? Do you know what it is like to walk into a building and not know what is around the corner.

You can see to get it through you skull that people will have their own opinions on this, just like you do. Regardless of the facts... you have come here disagreed or ignored what i have said and then make a back handed comment about weather this was rightous or not and then condemn you fellow freepers for their opinions. Here is some helpful advice before you condemn anyone else actions walk a mile in there shoes. If you cannot understand where the come from you have no basis to judge them on. Your right to make the asine comment that you did is protected by that same Marine... Mr Sites rights as an American are protected by that same Marine.

I don't know what you issue is, but your opinion on this along with the rest of the people here will not in one way or the other sway how the pentagon views this... If you don't like the opinions of your fellow citizen do one of two things that are fully with in you rights... ignore them and move on... or just move on...




50 posted on 11/16/2004 3:44:19 PM PST by Americanwolf (Freedom... Protected by the brave so the meek and lazy don't have to get off the sofa.)
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[flobee1kenobi]

73. tell ya what

If you want to shoot the reporter you better make damn sure mr.Novak is #2 in line for putting Plame's life at risk. All this reporter did was record an actual event. If you don't like the event, blame the people that made the event happen, not the person that allowed the world to witness it and form their OWN opinion. There could be any number of people at fault here, but the reporter isnot one of them!

[Synnical]

74. Media Matters has picked up on this

http://mediamatters.org/items/200411170001

Posts on conservative website advocate violence against journalist
The discussion board at FreeRepublic.com, a prominent right-wing online forum, contains numerous posts from members advocating violence against NBC News correspondent Kevin Sites, who recorded and reported the close-range shooting by a U.S. Marine of an unarmed and wounded Iraqi insurgent.