Just how WOULD we go about dislodging these thugs...

[King_Crimson]

should the recounts show Kerry actually won in Florida and Ohio? Malloy posed this question...a valid one to say the least. It should be an established fact by now that they have NO INTENTION of relinqishing their hold on power. Just a little something to think about!

[LiberalAndProud]

1. If they don't concede, I will be going to Washington.

[Carl Brennan]

2. When you are playing Chess if you can't get a bishop or a King,

go for the pawns. Find out who his people are on a local state level and concentrate our energies there. Right now I am going after Ohio SOS Blackwell because he is the most immediate important obstruction to the recount.

[Verve]

4. Please get the message out to get rid of Blackwell!

See post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=55411&mesg_id=55411

[DireStrike]

3. It would be VERY BAD IMHO for Kerry to become prez now.

On many levels.

[prof_science]

5. So, you mean WORSE than GWB???

Explain yourself.

[DireStrike]

6. He can't fix anything at this point.

He would never get anything done with the red congress. He'd just be a stopper in the rightwing tea kettle.

4 years from now after no change and getting nothing done, GWB would be back in office with another "mandate". We would be seen as the complainers, overturning an election at this late stage, and they would be able to whine about "cleaning up (our) mess" while they get another 4 years they don't have to really get anything done for their base.

[prof_science]

7. So, by having stolen the election...

...they will be able to claim higher ground? I can't disagree with most of what you say, but I also can't see how the Republican party would have any credibility at all after having a stolen election overturned.

Perhaps some might call us "complainers," but if that complaining overturns a stolen election, what the hell? I'd rather be a justified complainer than a criminal.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

8. Here's where the problem comes in.........

....the Media and GWB have acted like there is no issue. No problem at all. If in fact we did all wake up tomorrow as someone said earlier and they said "Kerry is President" now, you'd have the people who went back into the coma two weeks ago after the election was declared over suddenly saying "What happened?". The Repugs would spin the election was not stolen......that the Dems got the lawyers to change things, they have staged a coup, etc. and so forth. Unless we had a full blown, Woodward and Bernstein expose, with PROOF BushCo had meetings and deals set up to stage an election heist, it'd say Kerry would be okay. But if they simply overturn Ohio, with it being explained away as some "glitch", you'll hear the screaming and yelling about the 4 million vote mandate, and suddenly the popular vote will matter........

I'm not saying that means Kerry shouldn't be President, it's just the obvious issues that arise from the fact that no one is paying attention to what's going on right now.......and what it would mean after.......I think that's probably what was meant........

[DireStrike]

10. Exactly...

Gore was framed as "the contester" because of his concede-and-then-unconcede actions. The same would happen for Kerry and it would be much worse.

It's not just a few who believe this, it's everybody who gets their news solely from Fox, CNN, MSNBC... basically every news outlet ever. It would be a subconscious thing. The RW nagging from the Hannitys would seem just a bit more justified to everyone else. It would undermine everything, for very little gain.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

11. Repugs will always.......

.......make the contesting of the issue the debate, rather than the facts of the issue itself. They have become masters of it under Rove.....

[DELUSIONAL]

9. That giggling idiot isn't going to give up his hold on power easily

This has been a concern of many DUers for some time before the election.

The question before the election went something like -- when Kerry wins what happens if bushie doesn't leave the white house.

Well we KNOW Kerry won -- the exit polls were correct (some good articles on www.Zogby.com about the validity of exit polls). But as some predicted bush will not let leave the white house --and frankly I doubt that he will leave in four years.

They know how to manipulate nearly any vote total (using every method of vote fraud) and have been successful since at least 2000 in several states, 2002 Georgia in particular (robgeorgia file) and now in the 2004 election.

My question --how long before the gop calls for a Constitutional Convention and lifts the 2 term limit so that bushie can again have his mafia manipulate the votes again to give him a seemingly overwhelming majority. I believe that 3/4 of states are needed to call for a Constitutional Convention. The reason why 3/4 of the states didn't fall in line to call for a CC years ago -- was that some of the groups who were demanding a CC had plans to kill democracy. The problem with a CC is that anything can happen and the Constitution could be tossed out and the document which replaces it could be a very undemocratic document -- and if fundies have their way a theocracy would be jammed down the throats of all Americans.

We now have a band of thugs running all three branches of our government -- and if they get enough states to agree (3/4 needed) a Constitutional Convention could become a reality.

bushie -- king for life -- he wants relieve the burden of decisions making from our shoulders -- since god is speaking directly to him <most people making this claim are in a nut house or under heavy meds>.

When I read the book "Fortunate Son" by Hatfield (who was suicided) there was a passage about bushie trying to convince his daddy not to concede his loss of the Texas Governorship race. That passage was very chilling -- because it showed a pattern of behavior and a mind set -- that even if he lost -- bushie would not concede his loss. So we saw the mafia lawyer -- fighting the vote count -- and take the case to the Supreme Court where bushie was virtually appointed the Prez.

Then we watched people respond to the Kerry message -- people turned out in the thousands when he campaigned -- and people turned out in the millions to vote for Kerry. Yet bushie pull a win out of his hat -- supposedly by last minute voters -- while all the while the bushie gang was busy SUPPRESSING vote.

So even if the people working their hearts out trying to show Vote Fraud -- it is unlikely that bush will be removed from the white house -- EVER. The GOPigs will work to keep the current voting system (that worked so well for the bush mafia) in place for the next elections.

Then there is the little fact that only one or two more states are needed to start the Constitutional Convention process to rewrite the pesky road blocks -- like the amendments to the constitution.

Whereas Article V states in its entirety;

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."