Powell vs. Clinton for NY Senate

[orangeotter]

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Powell vs. Clinton and Other GOP Dreams
The Republicans have focused on a plan that will lock up their majority for a generation or more. They will turn New York into a "red state." They may do this through a calculated grassroots effort at the local level where they will find candidates that are representative of the constituency from which they come. People that have shared the same expereinces of most New Yorkers and that will be a true embodiment of the peoples' will. This candidate will no doubt have to struggle through the numerous levels of the New York political heirarchy, but will earn respect as a clear voice for the people along the way...or maybe they'll just run Colin Powell for Senate.

Recently resigned Secretary of State and former Joint Chief of Staff Colin Powell is already on the lips of NY Republicans dreaming of ousting Hillary Clinton from her current position as Junior Senator of the state. Clinton will be up for re-election in 2006 and the GOP wheels are already turning. Of course her last name is Clinton which means the GOP wheels have been turning trying to come up with a way to diminish, attack, unseat, or outright destroy her for over a decade now... more at www.otterblog.com

[lucabrasi]

1. NY a red state? Riiiiiight that'll happen.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Shrug. DLC vs RNC.

"Moderate" Republican vs "Moderate Democrat". Big deal.

[theboss]

20. It has a Republican governor

And New York has had a Republican mayor for over a decade.

It doesn't matter if the state "goes blue" in Presidential elections if they have a two Republican senators (like Pennsylvania).

[Beer Snob-50]

2. wasn't guilliani or pataki

also mentioned as running vs Hillary

[orangeotter]

3. i had heard

gullianni but this is the most recent, i think its a long shot at best, pataki and gulianni are more likely though powell would be an interesting match up, and i cant see him running as a dem even though he disagrees with bush on most things. Of course he is rather spineless which is a requirement for many dems. these days.

[Warpy]

4. I have no love for Hillary Clinton's politics

because she's far too conservative for my taste. However, if she tries to run a wimpy, DLC campaign against Powell, she will lose.

Powell will be portrayed as a moderate Repuglican, someone the wealthier upstaters will find to be their dream candidate, liberal on social issues but committed to cutting their taxes.

If Clinton insists on remaining a Blue Dog, Repuglican-lite Democrat, she will have no hope of retaining her seat.

[AP]

8. They'll use war and agression in a way that is really sexist too...

This would be quite a battle for Hillary.

Women have been losing races because of the sexist way Repubicans have been using 9/11. If Hillary could beat back a military man, she might be able to turn around the perception nationally that democratic women are too weak on national security.

[H2O Man]

5. A few deperate republicans

floated the idea of Powell running against Clinton. It will never happen. Keep in mind that these were the same folks that considered Bill O'Reilly as a possible candidate.

In truth, New York is going the other way. The republican party at the state level recognizes that they will not keep the governor's office in the next election. Pataki isn't willing to try it again; he is reportedly upset the Bush administration has turned its back on New York, and he clearly doesn't fit in the administration as he had hoped to.

Further proof of the direction the state is going is found in Syracuse. Though "upstate" is generally republican, turn-coats are not raring well. State senator Nancy Larraine Hoffman, a long-time democrat who served as the voice of the people, registered as a republican about six years ago. At that time, she turned her back on those once welcome in her office .... people like me. Well, she just was reminded that you don't pull that shit in these parts .... a good democrat, David Valesky, just won the seat. Good bye, Nancy.

[DinahMoeHum]

13. The 'Pukes in NY are not going down without a fight, though.

Check out my thread from yesterday:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=169&topic_id=1638&mesg_id=1638


:evilfrown:

[sangh0]

15. NYS is also losing Repukes in the State Senate

which is quite a development for those who are familiar with NYS politics. I see Democrats making NYS more blue in the near future.

[H2O Man]

17. Correct.

The example I gave from the greater Syracuse area shows what direction this state is moving in. We have been sold out in Washington, DC. Even Pataki, especially in private, will admit that the administration has done severe damage to the state economy. Unlike California, the voters of New York are very unlikely to elect a clown like Arnold .... hence no one mentions Sylvester Stalone. I'd think the republicans will have to put a "future hope" against Clinton in 2006.

[TheDonkey]

6. Powell's political life is over

after the infamous meeting with the UN.

Too bad.

[orangeotter]

9. i think you overestimate

the memory of most americans, its not that we forgive and forget we just forget a lot. with the right campaign any benign name can have a chance

[Chelsea Patriot]

12. We're talking New Yorkers, not most Americans.

As one member posted above, The Republican Party is nearly dead in NY.

Powell wouldn't stand a chance.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. ohhhhhh hahaha hehehe HOHOHO HAHAHAHEHEHEOHOHOOT!

[russian33]

10. Wouldn't that be a major step down for Powell?

From a cabinet post to a Senator? Isn't it the other way around?

[orangeotter]

14. teh senate is the most elite club

sec. or state i would argue is more elite but most politicoes consider the senate the high point outside of president that is

[Selwynn]

11. They said something similar to this about Califorinia in 2004

That it would go Republican in 2004, now that Arnold is Governor.

And...no, that didn't happen.

[Liberalynn]

16. As a NY person

I don't see it ever going Red. I see us going more blue if anything.In the 2000 race even Upstate went for Gore over Bush even though it has always gone Repuke in the past. Even if Powell were to run, he would have to go moderate to the point of almost being a Dem to win NY city especially. Cause usually the Big Apple determines the state and National races here.

I mean we do have Pataki but he's not as far right as some of his fellow repukes. I really don't think an extremist Repuke could ever carry the state. Maybe it is wishful thinking but that's what I feel.

[Boosterman]

19. Yeah but 45 % of California voted for Bush.

Food for thought.