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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:08 PM
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Attn: DU BBV researchers. Need quick assistance!!!!!
Okay, gang, I'm working with a very heavy duty set of PR pros to put together a media strategy that will gain us the high ground in the recount/vote fraud/electronic voting story. I need your help with a little quick research.

Please ID all the mainstream journalists and broadcasters who have covered the BBV story with some degree of accuracy (without the smarmy conspiracy theory slant) in the past. What's needed is the following:

1. Name of writer, producer, host involved (including their title) with links to stories they've done on the issue. If they've done a ton of them links to all aren't needed. Just a few.

2. Name of organization, publication or show (ie., AP, 60 Minutes, New York Times, Lou Dobbs, etc.)

3. Email, title, whatever you can find easily that looks like it would be helpful.

Google, DUers, Google!!! This is going to be HUGE but we've got to get out in front of the other side ASAP.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

hedda
http://www.ballotintegrity.org
http://www.helpamericarecount.org

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:39 PM
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1. Kick! N/M
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:45 PM
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2. DU Electronic Voting Links Library:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:02 PM
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3. Wonderful! Could a few of you go through that thread please
What's needed is to pull out the above informtion into a usable list. If anyone's willing to do a spreadsheet, that would be ideal, but if several folks could just pull start a list on this thread, it would be an enormous help.

PLEASE!!!!!
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:23 PM
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39. I'm on it. You want it p-mailed? nt
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:03 PM
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51. I've done through the first 50 listed.
I ferreted out the mainstream Press with a number of articles from the NY Times. One is a doozy that I will post at the end of this topic.

I'll P-mail the list to you hedda.

:hi:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:32 PM
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64. Thanks, Carl!
And everyone who's working on this thread.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:17 PM
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5. Awesome - I didn't know that was still there
thanks!
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:04 PM
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52. Great work Stephanie. It is a treasure.
:hi:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:02 PM
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63. Thank you - it was, obviously, a great idea.
I've been saving that library thread for a rainy day.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:16 PM
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4. NY Times complete archive > > >
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/making-votes-count.html?pagewanted=all

In this presidential election year, the Times's editorial page is examining the flaws in the mechanics of our democracy, including the reliability of electronic voting machines, obstacles to voter registration and turnout, and the lack of competitive congressional elections due to partisan drawing of district lines. The project is being led by editorial writer Adam Cohen, who will be traveling throughout the country to research these issues. The following is an archive of editorials from the series:

About Those Election Results
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/14/opinion/14sun1.html
Until our election system is improved - with better mechanics and greater transparency - we cannot expect voters to have full confidence in the announced results. (Nov. 14, 2004)

New Standards for Elections
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/opinion/07sun1.html
By ADAM COHEN
It's patently obvious that presidential elections should be conducted under uniform rules. (Nov. 7, 2004)

Lessons of the Ballot Box
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/opinion/04thu2.html
By ADAM COHEN
In Ohio, and around the country, this year's election exhibited flaws that will continue to detract from our democracy until they are addressed. (Nov. 4, 2004)

Where the Action's at for Poll Watchers: Ohio as the New Florida
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31sun4.html
By ADAM COHEN
It's hard to avoid the conclusion that at least some election officials are intentionally trying to stop eligible people from voting. (Oct. 31, 2004)

The Return of the 'Butterfly Ballot'
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/opinion/29fri1.html
Americans have enough to do in deciding on their votes without having to puzzle over how to get their choices to count. (Oct. 29, 2004)

The Three-Hour Poll Tax
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/27/opinion/27wed2.html
National standards should be developed to rectify the problem of long lines at the polls that discourage voters from participating. (Oct. 27, 2004)

Election Day Misdeeds
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/opinion/26edt1.html
The election challengers that the Republican Party is placing at the polls next week have as much potential to disrupt the voting as they do to prevent fraud. (Oct. 26, 2004)

What Congress Should Do
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/opinion/24sun1.html
When the dust settles from this year's election, Congress should begin drafting a new, comprehensive election reform law. (Oct. 24, 2004)

The Poll Tax, Updated
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/07/opinion/07thu2.html
The suppression of minority votes has continued because it is perceived as a winning tactic, and because it is rarely punished. (Oct. 7, 2004)

Playing With the Election Rules
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/30/opinion/30thu1.html
The secretaries of state in Ohio and Colorado are interpreting election laws in ways that threaten to disenfranchise voters. (Sept. 30, 2004)

Barriers to Student Voting
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/28/opinion/28tue1.html
Elections officials and institutions of higher education must do more to remove the barriers between young people and the ballot box. (Sept. 28, 2004)

They Said It Couldn't Be Done
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/18/opinion/18sat2.html
Nevada's success using electronic voting machines that produce paper records has proven the naysayers of the technology wrong. (Sept. 18, 2004)

The Return of Katherine Harris
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/16/opinion/16thu2.html
Florida’s top elections officer, Glenda Hood, is creating the impression that she is manipulating the rules to help re-elect her boss's brother. (Sept. 16, 2004)

On the Voting Machine Makers' Tab
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/opinion/12sun2.html
As doubts have grown about the reliability of electronic voting, some of its loudest defenders have been state and local election officials with financial ties to voting machine companies. (Sept. 12, 2004)

Voter ID Problems in Florida
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/07/opinion/07tues1.html
Misapplied voter-identication rules should not prevent people from casting their ballots, as appearently happened in Florida last week. (Sept. 7, 2004)

Denying the Troops a Secret Ballot
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/03/opinion/03fri2.html
The plan allowing members of the military to vote this year by fax or e-mail has far too many problems, starting with the contractor running it, for it to be reliable. (Sept. 3, 2004)

The Pentagon's Troubling Role
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/31/opinion/31tues1.html
Allowing military voters to send in ballots by e-mail through the Pentagon, as some states are proposing, is far too open to hacking to go forward. (Aug. 31, 2004)

Abolish the Electoral College
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/29/opinion/29sun1.html
The Electoral College thwarts the will of the majority, distorts presidential campaigning and has the potential to produce a true constitutional crisis. (Aug. 29, 2004)

The New Hanging Chads
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/19/opinion/19thu1.html
To keep glitches from stopping eligible voters from voting, state and local elections officials must improve their handling of provisional ballots. (Aug. 19, 2004)

The Shame of New York
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/10/opinion/10tue1.html
New York's dysfunctional, opaque and patronage-ridden structures for running elections need an overhaul. (Aug. 10, 2004)

Insurance for Electronic Votes
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/23/opinion/23fri1.html
With millions of voters set to use electronic voting machines of questionable reliability, the public should insist that protections be put in place right away. (July 23, 2004)

Felons and the Right to Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/11/opinion/11SUN1.html
Denying the vote to felons is antidemocratic and undermines the nation's commitment to rehabilitating people who have paid their debt to society. (July 11, 2004)

An Umpire Taking Sides
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/opinion/09FRI1.html
A major flaw in America's electoral system is that the top election officers are often publicly rooting for the Democratic or Republican side. (July 9, 2004)

EDITORIAL OBSERVER
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/21/opinion/21MON4.html
Indians Face Obstacles Between the Reservation and the Ballot Box
By ADAM COHEN
Mistreatment of Indian voters in South Dakota is a discredit to American democracy that the state government and the Justice Department must address. (June 21, 2004)

Gambling on Voting
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/opinion/13SUN1.html
If election officials want to convince voters that electronic voting can be trusted, they should be willing to make it at least as secure as slot machines. (June 13, 2004)

The Disability Lobby and Voting
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/opinion/11FRI1.html
Disability-rights groups are clouding the voting machine debate by suggesting that the nation must choose between accessible voting and verifiable voting. (June 11, 2004)


Who Tests Voting Machines?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/opinion/30SUN1.html
(May 30, 2004)

Voting Machines for New York
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18TUE1.html
(May 18, 2004)

Voting Reform Could Backfire
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/09/opinion/09SUN2.html
(May 09, 2004)

A Compromised Voting System
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/opinion/24SAT1.html
(April 24, 2004)

Bad New Days for Voting Right
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/opinion/18SUN1.html
(April 18, 2004)

The Confusion Over Voter ID
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/04/opinion/04SUN3.html
(April 4, 2004)

When the Umpires Take Sides
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/29/opinion/29MON1.html
(March 29, 2004)

Florida as the Next Florida
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/29/opinion/29MON1.html
(March 14, 2004)

The Results Are in and the Winner Is . . . or Maybe Not
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/29/opinion/29SUN3.html
(Feb. 29, 2004)

Elections With No Meaning
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/21/opinion/21SAT1.html
(Feb. 21, 2004)

How America Doesn't Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/15/opinion/15SUN1.html
(Feb. 15, 2004)

Budgeting for Another Florida
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/opinion/08SUN2.html
(Feb. 8, 2004)

How to Hack an Election
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/opinion/31SAT1.html
(Jan. 31, 2004)

The Perils of Online Voting
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/23/opinion/23FRI1.html
(Jan. 23, 2004)

Fixing Democracy
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/18/opinion/18SUN1.html
(Jan. 18, 2004
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:35 PM
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10. Awesome, Stephanie.
I didn't realize their voting series was so extensive.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:20 PM
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6. Glitchgate
I propose we call the current mess "Glitchgate". It brings to light all the "glitches" that need fixing, that nobody explains, and kind of pokes fun at the passing off of everything as glitches all at the same time.

Do you want just recent articles, or stuff going way back?
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:34 PM
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8. Right now, we're looking for friendly writers, so this is historical.
The issue wasn't in the public eye at all until Fall of 2003, so it doesn't go back that far. The articles in the archive thread above are the best place to start.

Thanks!!
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:34 PM
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9. Right now, we're looking for friendly writers, so this is historical.
The issue wasn't in the public eye at all until Fall of 2003, so it doesn't go back that far. The articles in the archive thread above are the best place to start.

Thanks!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:31 PM
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7. MSNBC on Avi Rubin >
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 05:31 PM by Stephanie
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077251/

E-voting flaws risk ballot fraud
Scientists warn of big security holes in version of software
By Alan Boyle
Science editor
MSNBC
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:51 PM
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14. Avi also did a OP/ED the week before the selection.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 05:53 PM by leftchick
I believe it was in the Balitmore Sun.

edit: here it is...http://avirubin.com/vote/op-ed.html
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:39 PM
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11. A Few Media People
Kim Zetter, WiredNews has done a bunch of articles on e-voting issues.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65736,00.html

Michael Hardy of Federal Computer Weekly writes a lot of e-voting articles. mhardy@fcw.com

Mary Ellen Klas Tallahassee Bureau Chief for the Miami Herald.
MEKlas@herald.com

Also look at WISH-TV8 in Indianapolis, IN. They have done a whole series of articles on ES&S and WinVote. Lonnie McKown is the editor of their investigative report group.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:46 PM
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12. Orlando Weekly just had a good one
Alan Waldman at Orlando Weekly: WAS IT HACKED?
http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688

feedback@orlandoweekly.com

Note: Alan Waldman has written for LA Business Journal
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:49 PM
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13. Vanity Fair article, April 2004 "Hack The Vote".......
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 05:58 PM by leftchick
crap, I just threw it out too! That article was fantastic, the author was superb!

edit: This is the best link I could find. The article is not available online apparently.

http://www.truevotemd.org/vanityfair1.asp
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:02 AM
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75. I have a PDF of that somewhere
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 12:08 AM by Stephanie
Let me know if you want me to email it.

*edit* Oh, holy cow, I also have it as a Word file - I forgot I scanned it on. I can send that if you want it.

Here's a chunk:

Hack the Vote
By Michael Shnayerson
Vanity Fair April 2004
Glitch-prone and vulnerable to hackers, the electronic voting machines that will be in nearly every state this November could make hanging chads look benign.

Outraged by the secrecy and political ties of the companies behind them, one woman has mounted a crusade against what she thinks may already be happening: untraceable election fraud.


Florida’s first election of 2004 was a small one, almost quaint. Seven Republicans were vying to fill a vacancy left by Connie Mack IV, who had resigned as state representative from Broward and Palm Beach counties to run for U.S. Congress. Everything seemed to unfold as it should, except that, of the roughly 10,000 Broward residents who signed in at the polls, 134 apparently failed to vote.

This was odd. On a ballot that listed several races, voters might skip one or another. But why go to a polling place where only one race was listed, sign in, and then not vote? For the runner-up, the question was more than academic: he lost by just 12 votes. A spokesperson for Election Systems & Software, the Nebraska-based manufacturer of the counties’ new electronic voting machines, declared, “We absolutely do not believe” the machines failed to register intended votes. Perhaps 134 Democrats had wandered in to vote with-out realizing the slate was all-Republican, and wandered out.

Perhaps. But who knew? In the state that taught the world how to tell a dangling chad from a pregnant one, here were touch-screen voting machines that left no paper trail at all. Maybe their software had worked this time, maybe it hadn’t. There was no way to tell, no back panel to open, and no way to recount.

The residents of Broward and Palm Beach counties had learned a grim new truth dawning on communities all over the country. The new generation of machine meant to save them from a reprise of Florida’s 2000 debacle is a mystery box—a black box, as critics call it. Touch-screen voting machines made by four major vendors have immature technology and poor security, according to published reports. And yet by November 2, 2004, these companies, three of which have ties to wealthy Republicans, will have their machines in almost every state of the union, counting votes in the presidential election.

This is a story of good intentions gone awry, of Congress bamboozled into thinking the machines were ready when they weren’t, of county and state election officials softened over lavish dinners into endorsing one kind of machine over another, with some later induced to take jobs at voting-machine companies. And like most American stories it’s about money—big money, $3.9 billion, showered on the states to buy the machines, and buy them fast.

For more than a decade, a plucky band of entrepreneurs had been tinkering with touch-screen D .R .E .’s—direct-recording electronic voting systems—that might replace various paper-ballot systems and those cumbersome lever machines. A few touch-screen D.R.E.’s had even been used in local elections. Overnight, the election chaos of 2000 made them hot commodities. Reformers and entrepreneurs pitched a future of chad-tree elections, electronically perfect, and on their prom¬ises the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) was passed on October 29, 2002, with its glittering vision of an electronic voting ma¬=chine in every polling place. All but ignored were the misgivings of a few computer scientists in ivory towers that the vision might be a mirage.
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:02 PM
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15. some articles
Ronnie Dugger, "How They Could Steal the Election This Time," The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040816&s=dugger), July 29, 2004

Brendan I. Koerner, "Welcome to the Machine: A citizens' guide to hacking the 2004 election," Harper's Magazine, April 2004

Michael Shnayerson, "Hack the Vote" Vanity Fair, April 2004 .

Elise Ackerman "Electronic Voting’s Hidden Perils" San Jose Mercury News, 1 February 2004, p. 25A, (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/mercurynews/7849090.htm?1c)

Katrina vanden Heuvel, "Protecting Every Vote," The Nation, 8/13/04, (http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=1681)
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:21 PM
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16. WaPo
Brigid Schulte, Washington Post Staff Writer, "Md. Voting System's Security Challenged: Electronic Cheating Too Easy, Study Says," Washington Post, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A42928-2003Jul24¬Found=true)

Brigid Schulte, "Md. Plans Vote System Fixes After Criticisms: Security REview Finds 328 Flaws in AccuVote," Washington Post, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A60825-2003Sep24?language=printer)
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madrigal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:26 PM
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17. more
Brigid Schulte (Wash post writer in above post) contact: schulteb@washpost.com

Writer Rachel Conrad, AP info@ap.org
Links: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/7507193.htm
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/996775/posts
http://www.votolatino.org/news_1.html
http://www.rense.com/general49/sdew.htm


Miami Herald 1/8/04
Writer ERIKA BOLSTAD ebolstad@herald.com
Link: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/7660910.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp&1c

CNET News Sept 2004
Writer: Declan McCullagh declan.mccullach@cnet.com
Link: http://news.com.com/E-voting+critics+report+new+flaws/2100-1028_3-5378199.html

Seattle Weekly: March 10, 2004, May 19, 2004
Writer: George Howland, Jr. ghowland@seattleweekly.com
Link: http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0410/040310_news_blackbox.php
Link: http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0420/040519_news_blackboxvoting.php



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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:28 PM
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18. St. Petersberg Times
David Karp, "Lines pose biggest problem for voters, Lawyers and poll watchers find little to challenge as people wait to vote hours after polls close in some counties," St. Petersberg Times, , November 3, 2004 (http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/03/Tampabay/Lines_pose_biggest_pr.shtml)
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Dark Secret Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:30 PM
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19. HERE ARE A FEW MORE NEWS REPORTS
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:32 PM
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20. Votergate
Simon Ardizzone, Russell Michaels and Robert Carrillo Cohen
, producers (http://www.votergate.tv/)
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:36 PM
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21. The Nation
David Corn, "A Stolen Election?", November 9, 2004, The Nation.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:38 PM
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22. A few more
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 06:41 PM by sandnsea
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:42 PM
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23. NYTimes Editorials, Paul Krugman
Fear of Fraud, July 27, 2004 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0614F93E590C748EDDAE0894DC404482)

Democracy at risk, January 23, 2004 (http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0123-03.htm)

Too many perils in electronic voting, Arizona Daily Star, 7/28/2004 (http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/31790.php)

Bill to verify votes is best way to ensure accuracy, Arizona Daily Star, 1/25/2004 (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/7120.php)
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:50 PM
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24. Toronto Star/ Antonia Zerbisias
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:54 PM
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25. Democracy Now, Amy Goodman
Could the Next Election Be Stolen at the Ballot Box? A Look at the Electronic Voting Machine Controversy, Wednesday, August 13th, 2003,
http://67.15.90.110/article.pl?sid=03/08/13/1535236

As Vote Scandals Continue to Emerge Could John Kerry 'Un-concede?' Wednesday, November 10th, 2004, http://67.15.90.110/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/1537201&mode=thread&tid=25

The E-Vote Factor: Kerry Conceded But Did He Really Lose? Monday, November 8th, 2004,
http://67.15.90.110/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1513252&mode=thread&tid=25

The Ohio Factor: Did Homeland Security and the FBI interfere With the Vote Count?Wednesday, November 10th, 2004, http://67.15.90.110/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/1536254&mode=thread&tid=25

Rep. Dennis Kucinich on the Showdown in Ohio: "Hoping for a Miracle Here", Wednesday, November 3rd, 2004, http://67.15.90.110/article.pl?sid=04/11/03/1520237&mode=thread&tid=25
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madrigal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:54 PM
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26. more

CNET:
Robert Lemos rob.lemos@cnet.com
http://news.com.com/2100-1009_3-5054088.html

Washington Dispatch 11/04
Contact info: http://www.washingtondispatch.com/contact.shtml
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000723.html

Coastal Post
Writer: Carol Sterritt
General contact editor@coastalpost.com
http://www.coastalpost.com/04/05/06.htm

Newtopia:
Writer: Joanne McNeil
http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/content/issue14/features/secretrecipe.php

Straight Goods
Penney Kome penney@straightgoods.com
http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature3.cfm?REF=836
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:59 PM
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27. Cleveland Plain Dealer
Julie Carr Smythe

www.cleveland.com
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:02 PM
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28. Use our blog list: Daily Kos, Boing Boing, etc
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:16 PM
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34. What "blog list" -- got a link? n/t
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:18 PM
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35. The links directory at the top of the page.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:03 PM
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29. The Nation, 7/04: How They Could Steal the Election This Time (Great!)
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:04 PM by Zorra
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:30 PM
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69. Wow! Here's a New Yorker article by Ronnie Dugger from 1988!
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 10:34 PM by Zorra
Ronnie Dugger might be a great writer to contact for this project!

By Ronnie Dugger
The New Yorker, November 7, 1988

In many respects, this electronic conversion has seemed natural, even inevitable. Both of the old ways -- hand-counting paper ballots and relying on interlocked rotary counters to tabulate votes that are cast by pulling down levers on mechanical machines -- have been shown to be susceptible to error and fraud. On Election Night, computers can usually produce the final results faster than any other method of tabulation, and so enable local officials to please reporters on deadlines and to avoid the suspicions of fraud which long delays in counting can stimulate.

Recently, however, computerized vote-counting has engendered controversy. Do the quick-as-a-wink, computerized systems count accurately? Are they vulnerable to fraud, as well, even fraud of a much more dangerous, centralized kind? Is the most widely used computerized system, the Votomatic, which relies on computer punch-card ballots, disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of voters?

http://www.votefraud.org/ronnie_dugger_dangers_computerized_voting.htm
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:32 PM
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72. Archive of Primer Articles & Information - Some Historical Stuff
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:09 PM
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30. More
Truthout/Perspectives
Victoria Collier, A Brief History of Computerized Election Fraud in America
25 October 2003
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/102503C.shtml

The Washington Post
Dan Keating, Security, recount questions persist as states adopt paperless balloting
25 October 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59554-2004Oct24.html

The New York Times
Tom Zeller, Jr., Ready or Not (and Maybe Not), Electronic Voting Goes National
19 September 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/politics/campaign/19vote.html?ex=1100840400&en=21945f6d37e519cd&ei=5070&oref=login

The Palm Beach Post
Eliot Kleinberg, Broward machines Count Backward
5 November 2004
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html

Truthout/Editorial
Thom Hartman, CommonDreams.org, "The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy"
4 November 2004

Yahoo News
California Secretary of State Bans Electronic Voting
30 April 2004
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/4341

Scoop
C. D. Sludge, How to Rig an Election in the United States, Sludge Report #154, Bigger than Watergate!
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00064.htm
8 July 2003

Truthout/editorial
William Rivers Pitt, Worse Than 2000: Tuesday's Electoral Disaster
8 November 2004
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804A.shtml
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:10 PM
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31. Andrew Gumbel - DOWN FOR THE COUNT
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:14 PM
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32. Voting system called flawed - By Brian Witte, AP - In WA. Times 7/03
BALTIMORE — An electronic voting system used in some states and marketed across the nation is so flawed that it could be manipulated easily, computer security researchers concluded in a study released yesterday.

http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20030724-102543-4946r.htm
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:15 PM
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33. A good one from a FL weekly, and another suggestion
Was It Hacked? (Orlando Weekly News)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x58051#58071

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688

Unfortunately, the site isn't accepting ANY incoming traffic right now. I'm getting the message: Connection refused when trying to contact orlandoweekly.com

:shrug:

Here's the text quoted in the DU thread:

By Alan Waldman
Published 11/18/04

Despite mainstream media attempts to kill the story, talk radio and the Internet are abuzz with suggestions that John Kerry was elected president on Nov. 2 – but Republican election officials made it difficult for millions of Democrats to vote while employees of four secretive, GOP-bankrolled corporations rigged electronic voting machines and then hacked central tabulating computers to steal the election for George W. Bush.

snip

A quartet of companies control the U.S. vote count. Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia and SAIC are all hard-wired into the Bush campaign and power structure. Diebold chief Walden O'Dell is a top Bush fund-raiser. According to "online anarchist community" Infoshop.org, "At Diebold, the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at 'rival' ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council For National Policy, a right-wing steering group stacked with Bush true believers. Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement, which advocates the theocratic takeover of American democracy." Sequoia is owned by a partner member of the Carlyle Group, which is believed to have dictated foreign policy in both Bush administrations and has employed former President Bush for quite a while.

All early Tuesday indicators predicted a Kerry landslide. Zogby International (which predicted the 2000 outcome more accurately than any national pollster) did exit polling which predicted a 100-electoral vote triumph for Kerry. He saw Kerry winning crucial Ohio by 4 percent.

Princeton professor Sam Wang, whose meta-analysis had shown the election to be close in the week before the election, began coming up with dramatic numbers for Kerry in the day before and day of the election. At noon EST on Monday, Nov. 1, he predicted a Kerry win by a 108-vote margin.


Suggestion for researchers -- there are a number of stories that are linked to in the Comepndium threads, if someone could check them out --

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:28 PM
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42. I saved the Orlando Weekly page as 'web page, complete'.......
.......before their server stopped accepting traffic. I'll e-mail it to anyone who needs it.
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:18 PM
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36. More articles
Computerworld
Elizabeth Heichler, Criticism of electronic voting machines’ security is mounting
Malfunctions and vulnerabilities are stalling efforts to supplant old polling methods
12/12/2003
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,88178,00.html

Denver Post
Susan Greene, Voting Systems 'Can't be Trusted' Machines at risk for fraud, hacking
30 July 2003
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103F.shtml

SFGate.com
Stephen Manning, AP
Senator backs voting machine bill after firsthand experience with glitch
September 13, 2004
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/09/13/politics1858EDT0674.DTL

Sarasota HeraldTribune
Rachael Konrad, Felons are counting your vote
16 December 2003
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121803C.shtml

The New York Times
John Schwartz, Diebold Uses Copyright Law to Silence Critics
 Monday 03 November 2003
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/110403E.shtml

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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:19 PM
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37. There were two Zogby articles.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:20 PM by Ladyhawk
"I Smell a Rat" (11/15/2004)
- By Colin Shea, The Sierra Times, Freezer Box


I can't remember the name of the other one...will look.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:22 PM
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38. Voting Machine Leaves Paper Trail - Brazil-Wired -Joanna Glasner
In particular, computing experts worry that hundreds of thousands of direct-recording electronic, or DRE, voting machines used in elections nationwide do not provide an auditable paper trail that records individual votes. In order to ensure that votes are not lost because of a computer malfunction or tampering, critics say DRE machines should be able to print and store individual ballots immediately after a vote is cast.

"I'm happy that some are trying to produce interesting solutions to the voter-verifiable audit-trail problem," said Dill. Although he does not endorse any particular voting machine vendor, he considers the ES&S prototype a breakthrough for a major manufacturer.

As pressure mounts for paper receipts, ES&S is not the only one who may add on a ballot-printing feature.

Joe Richardson, a spokesman for Diebold Election Systems, one of ES&S's chief competitors, said the company would be willing to provide such a feature to U.S. customers if the demand is there. Richardson said the company included ballot-printing capability in more than 300,000 voting machines it sold to Brazil.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,58738,00.html

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:26 PM
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40. Keith Olbermann. MSNBC . Countdown with Keith Olbermann
Here's a link to his blog http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

His email. KOlbermann@msnbc.com

He is on vacation right now, but has continued blogging. He would probably answer important email. :hi:
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madrigal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:26 PM
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41. more friendly writers
Johns Hopkins Magazine
Dale Keiger, sr. writer smd@jhu.edu (general contact)
http://www.jhu.edu/~jhumag/0204web/vote.html

Missoula News
Writer Mike Keefe-Feldman mike@missoulanews.com
http://www.missoulanews.com/Archives/News.asp?no=3670

Capital Times, Madison, WI
Writer P.J. Slinger pslinger@madison.com
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion//index.php?ntid=17973&ntpid=4

Newport News Times
Joel Gallob joel.gallob@lee.net
http://www.newportnewstimes.com/articles/2004/11/17/news/news15.txt
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:31 PM
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43. Will high-tech save or sink future elections? Alan Boyle MSNBC 10/02
On the other hand, the glitches bedeviling present-day electronic voting don’t exactly inspire confidence. Statistics from the Caltech-MIT Voting Technology Project indicate that touch-screen machines have performed about as poorly as the infamous punch-card machines over the past 12 years.

This year, Florida is weathering a wave of criticism over problems with touch-screen systems. In Texas, touch-screens had to be taken offline for repairs during early voting because the displays were miscalibrated.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3078979/
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LenaLush Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:31 PM
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44. Alternet-Rage Againist the Machines
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LenaLush Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:37 PM
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45. some more articles/writers


E-Voting: How it Can Put the Wrong Candidate in Office
Common Dreams, Sept. 3, 2003

The Theft of Your Vote is Just a Chip Away
Thom Hartmann, July 31, 2003

How George W. Bush Won the 2004 Presidential Election
Infernal Press, September 2003

Now Your Vote is the Property of a Private Corporation
Thom Hartmann, March 11, 2003

The Diebold AccuVote TS Should be Decertified
USENEX Security Symposium, Aug. 6, 2003

Who Counts the Votes?
Southern Exposure, Winter 2002/2003

Florida Invests $24 Million in Wireless Voting Machines
Wireless News Factor, Jan. 31, 2002

Diebold Internal Mail Confirms U.S. Vote Vulnerabilities
Scoop, Sept. 12,2002

Voting Machine Controversy as Diebold Chief Backs Bush
Cleveland Plain Dealer, Aug. 28, 2003

The Voting Machine Fiasco: SAIC, VoteHere and Diebold
Online Journal, Aug. 20, 2003

Hacking Democracy?
Salon.com, Feb. 20, 2003

Possible Flaw Triggers Electronic Voting Concerns
Houston Chronicle, Sept. 11, 2003

Piecing it Together
Black Box Voting, Aug. 25, 2003

Bay of Pigs 2000: The November Surprise
Madcow Morning News, Dec. 26, 2000

Slavery Under God's Laws
The Institute for Christian Economics,

Stoning: Integral to Commandment Against Murder
The Institute for Christian Economics,

World Conquest: The Obligation of Christian Politics
The Changing of the Guard, Dominion Press,

An Anthology of Reconstructist Thought
Christian Reconstructionism, November 2002

Judicial Warfare: Christian Reconstructionism and its Blueprint for Dominion
Crown Rights Press, 2003

British Firm Buys Controlling Interest in Sequoia Voting Systems
Eastbay Business Times, May 29, 2003

A High-Tech Ambush
Eco Talk, Oct. 29, 2002

Louisiana Election Commissioner Pleads Guilty in Kickback Scandal
The Oak Ridger, Nov. 28, 2000

Pipeline Partnership Take Under: Madison Dearborn and Carlyle
Meter Reader Energy Stock Analysis, April 24, 2003





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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:41 PM
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46. All the President's Votes? 10/03-Andrew Gumbel-lndependent/UK (Good)
A Quiet Revolution is Taking Place in US Politics. By the Time It's Over, the Integrity of Elections Will be in the Unchallenged, Unscrutinized Control of a Few Large - and Pro-Republican - Corporations. Andrew Gumbel wonders if democracy in America can survive

Something very odd happened in the mid-term elections in Georgia last November. On the eve of the vote, opinion polls showed Roy Barnes, the incumbent Democratic governor, leading by between nine and 11 points. In a somewhat closer, keenly watched Senate race, polls indicated that Max Cleland, the popular Democrat up for re-election, was ahead by two to five points against his Republican challenger, Saxby Chambliss.

Those figures were more or less what political experts would have expected in state with a long tradition of electing Democrats to statewide office. But then the results came in, and all of Georgia appeared to have been turned upside down. Barnes lost the governorship to the Republican, Sonny Perdue, 46 per cent to 51 per cent, a swing of as much as 16 percentage points from the last opinion polls. Cleland lost to Chambliss 46 per cent to 53, a last-minute swing of 9 to 12 points.

Red-faced opinion pollsters suddenly had a lot of explaining to do and launched internal investigations. Political analysts credited the upset - part of a pattern of Republican successes around the country - to a huge campaigning push by President Bush in the final days of the race. They also said that Roy Barnes had lost because of a surge of "angry white men" punishing him for eradicating all but a vestige of the old confederate symbol from the state flag.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1013-01.htm
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:47 PM
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47. No Confidence Vote-Robert X. Cringely-PBS- 12/03
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:50 PM
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48. Black Box Backlash-Seattle Weekly - George Howland Jr 3/04 about Bev
Bev Harris of Renton created a firestorm with her national Internet campaign against electronic voting. Now she's trying to persuade people in the real world that their democracy is on the line.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0410/040310_news_blackbox.php
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madrigal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:53 PM
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49. more writers
Consortium News
Sam Parry general contact (consortnew@aol.com)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

Cinncinnati Enquirer
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenv...
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/10/loc_warrenvote10.html
Writer: Erica Solvig and Dan Horn
E-mail esolvig@enquirer.com and dhorn@enquirer.com
Other contacts:
Contact local news editor:
Ron Liebau
(M-F, 9 a.m.-6 p.m.) Local News rliebau@enquirer.com 513-768-8396
and
Dan Sewell
(M-F, 8 a.m.-5 p.m.) Ohio Suburban Chief dsewell@enquirer.com 513-755-4142

Global Research
Larry Chin, Contributing Editor (general contact) crgeditor@yahoo.com
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html


People’s Weekly World
Writer Rosalio Munoz rosalio_munoz@sbcglobal.net
http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/6081/1/240

Jewish Times
Joel N. Shurkin
http://www.jewishtimes.com/scripts/edition.pl?now=10/29/2004&stay=1&SubSectionID=48&ID=2435


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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:57 PM
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50. Wary of electronic voting, Californians fear votes will be lost-AP-10/03
RACHEL KONRAD, Associated Press Writer

Charles Coffey emerged from voting at a fire station and with a disgruntled sigh, slapped a red, white and blue "I voted today" sticker on his T-shirt. He just wasn't sure if his computer-cast ballot counted.

The real estate investor was suspicious that the touch-screen voting computer could have been rigged to vote "yes" on the recall -- and feared it could have recorded the registered Democrat as voting for Republican winner Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"I have no confidence at all in electronic voting," the 54-year-old said. "I have no confidence in any voting system after what happened in Florida."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/08/state1724EDT0278.DTL
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:05 PM
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53. 200 Good Links - Scroll Down
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:08 PM
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54. HOT ONE!! NYTimes, Blackwell, Ohio all in one.


HOT!!!!! This ones got Ohio, Blackwell, e-vote, problems and the New York Times all wrapped up with a tidy little bowtie in one!!!

24) http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/national/03VOTE.html?... <http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/national/03VOTE.html?ex=1071032400&en=3f5ecf0b0c424cb6&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE>

Ohio Study Finds Flaws in Electronic Voting
By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Published: December 3, 2003

Electronic voting machines from the four biggest companies in the field have serious security flaws, but they can — and must — be fixed, a new report for the State of Ohio says.

"I think there are no perfect systems out there, but there are perfectible systems," said Ohio's secretary of state, J. Kenneth Blackwell, who commissioned the report. In all, 57 security problems were identified.

Although technology from one of the companies, Diebold Election Systems, has undergone extensive review, the report is the first public discussion of the systems used by the four most prominent companies. The researchers "identified several significant security issues," which left as is would give an attacker the opportunity to disrupt the election process or throw the election results into question, the report said.

For example, the cards used by supervisors to take charge of Diebold machines all had the simple PIN code, "1111," which could leave the machines open to tampering. The tally program for Election Systems and Software could be tricked to gather information from one machine many times, overcounting votes. Machines from Hart InterCivic Inc. and Sequoia Voting Systems could allow unauthorized people to gain supervisory control, closing polls early. <more>

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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:12 PM
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55. Here's a couple of links covering media propagation......
of the original BBV story last year. It might give a frame of reference as to how media willingness to cover this has changed recently.

Black Box Voting, Gaining Media Traction, List of media links!


Diebold story: List of media outlets covering this:>

Scoop/DIEBOLD UBERPOST - Bev Is Everywhere MAN!!!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:18 PM
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56. The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy .....Dr. Freeman
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11423334%5E1702,00.html

Editor's Note | How could the exit polls in this year's presidential election have diverged so drastically from the results that election officials and the media announced?
Professor Steven Freeman, a statistician at the University of Pennsylvania, offers a disturbing answer. Looking at the exit polls and announced results in Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, he concludes that the odds against such an accidental discrepancy in all three states together was 250 million to one.

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

Read Dr. Freeman's well-reasoned, well-written argument, and make up your own mind. -- sw

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Nomadic Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:36 PM
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57. Wired has quite a few reports in this issue
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Nomadic Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:42 PM
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58. Here are some articles from /.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 08:43 PM by Nomadic
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:45 PM
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59. Today:

Here is an excerpt from an article that appeared in yesterday's Capital Times newspaper, entitled, "Voting results' accuracy questioned; democracy demands that we do so"; By P.J. Slinger

"We, as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans or liberals or conservatives, must remain vigilant in upholding the processes that make democracy work. Open and fair voting is a bedrock principle of our country. When the people don't control the power, the powers control the people."

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion//index.php?ntid=1797... <http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion//index.php?ntid=17973&ntpid=4>
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:47 PM
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60. Can somebody get the good ones out of this thread Al's been compiling?
I was taking one last peek at DU before I ran out the door to an appointment and saw this urgent call for help.

Here's the thread:
"The Backlash Cometh" by althecat:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=36208&mesg_id=36208
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NamVetsWeeLass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:50 PM
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61. DU Clean Up Crew member Kinda Kick!
Bringing up Google now....
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Nomadic Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:58 PM
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62. Voters Unite! have a bunch of source documentation
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 08:59 PM by Nomadic
Check out the .pdfs in the "Mess ups by vendor!" section on the top right:

http://www.votersunite.org/info.asp

each incident has a footnote of the original articles cited

(and of course on their main page some incidents have news articles cited)
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:39 PM
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65. I'm in touch with the VU folks.
They post here as well. They're up to their eyeballs in alligators too, but their archives are excellent if anybody is up for checking the vendor archives. They have story archives as well, but the search you guys are doing seems to be bringing up a TON of stuff.

Please don't neglect reasonable articles and opeds in local papers, even if the towns are small.


THIS IS REMARKABLE WORK, FOLKS AND A HUGE CONTRIBUTION TO THE CAUSE!!
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the ether Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:50 PM
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66. Collection of Links, Journalists


Hope this helps.

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By Brian Lockhart
Staff Writer

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa-nor.registrars5nov16,0,2258506.story?coll=stam-news-local-headlines




FL
Pinellas ballot box sat ignored in office
Pinellas elections supervisor Deborah Clark will ask the state for permission to change the county's official results.
By DAVID KARP, Times Staff Writer
Published November 16, 2004
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/16/Tampabay/Pinellas_ballot_box_s.shtml






Richmond, IN


By Pam Tharp
Correspondent
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041116/NEWS01/411160333/1008









Ohio Finds Possible Double Votes, Counts

JAY COHEN

Associated Press

South Carolina
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/10208111.htm






OH

Some ballots counted twice
Discovery raises further doubt about close treasurer race

By LaRAYE BROWN
Staff writer
http://www.thenews-messenger.com/news/stories/20041116/localnews/1601347.html






By Mark Eddington
The Salt Lake Tribune 16 November 2004



16,000 judges but who's counting?
By Mary Wickersham
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~75~2529301,00.html





Some seek changes in absentee voting

By Nirvi Shah
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

nirvi_shah@pbpost.com

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/14/c1c_absentee_1114.html





Democrats sue Washington's biggest county over provisional ballots

PEGGY ANDERSEN, Associated Press Writer
Friday, November 12, 2004
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/11/12/national1357EST0579.DTL






GEORGETOWN COUNTY

Protest, complaint filed over board race and poll workers' conduct

By Kelly Marshall

The Sun News

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/10142634.htm








Officials report irregularities in Bastrop vote
Tax election results certified
Johnny Gunter
jgunter@thenewsstar.com
November 9, 2004
http://www.thenewsstar.com/elections/html/9E47DA24-1531-41FE-B5E5-6274E914A366.shtml







Der Spiegal (Germany)

Phantom-Wähler, verschwundene Stimmen, Zählcomputer, die subtrahierten statt addierten:

(Ghost voters, lost votes, computers that count backwards)
Der Bezirk mit 139 Prozent Wahlbeteiligung
Marc_Pitzke@spiegel.de


http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,327359,00.html
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:51 PM
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67. Avi Rubin Cover Story--Jewish Times 10/29/04
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 09:57 PM by milkyway
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:09 PM
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68. Johnson County, Indiana--Daily Journal.
They have done a whole series of articles on local problems with electronic voting, ES&S particularly.

Here's a couple by Michael W. Hoskins, who wrote most of them (mhoskins@thejournalnet.com):
Board will keep new voting machines, for now
6/10/04
http://www.thejournalnet.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=44165&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=113&S=1

County to use paper ballots in November
8/21/04
http://www.thejournalnet.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=45603&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=113&S=1

And by Bryan Corbin, Daily Journal News Editor (letters@thejournalnet.com):

Expert: Voting machines could be tampered with
5/17/04
http://www.thejournalnet.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=43687&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=113&S=1
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:30 PM
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70. WISH-TV in Indianapolis did an excellent series in March, '04.
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886&nav=0Ra7JXq2

An I-Team 8 Investigation
Part One: Will Your Vote Count?
By Rick Dawson and Loni Smith McKown
rdawson@wishtv.com
lmckown@wishtv.com

____________________


http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1712213&nav=0Ra7LXSW

March 15, 2004
Johnson County Demands Answers From ES&S
By Eric Halvorson and Loni Smith McKown
ehalvorson@wishtv.com
lmckown@wishtv.com

____________________

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1649813&nav=0Ra7JXq2

An I-Team 8 Investigation
Part Two: Will Your Vote Count?
By Rick Dawson and Loni Smith McKown

____________________

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1651913&nav=0Ra7JXq2

Election Reform Advocates Call for Paper Back-Up
By Rick Dawson and Loni Smith McKown

____________________

Here's the main page for the series:

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=49590&nav=0Ra7JXq2
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:31 PM
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71. You might check out Chili's BBV Compendium
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madrigal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:57 PM
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73. More Writers, contact info
Paul Roberts, IDG News Service paul_roberts@idg.com
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118431,00.asp
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/story/0,10801,97175,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,94952,00.html



Dan Verton, Computer World dan_verton@computerworld.com
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/story/0,10801,97245,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/story/0,10801,96652,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/story/0,10801,97197,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/story/0,10801,96659,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,95688,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/story/0,10801,94760,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,94667,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/story/0,10801,94229,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,93970,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/story/0,10801,93131,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/story/0,10801,92995,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,92973,00.html
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118351,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118377,00.asp

Grant Gross, IDG News Service - grant_gross@infoworld.com
sampling of articles:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118205,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118450,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117911,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117487,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117320,00.asp

Mark S. Sullivan, Medill News Service
News Desk: 312-503-4100
FAX: 312-503-4040
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116709,00.asp

Link to Computer World’s special section on E-Voting, numerous articles:
http://www.computerworld.com/news/special/pages/0,10911,2825,00.html

Texas Star Telegram
Max B. Baker, Staff Writer taxbaker@star-telegram.com
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/9975942.htm?1c
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scotjohn Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:10 PM
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74. Jimmy Carter's Wash. Post editorial on Florida vote
Remember, he's not just any old former U.S. President, he's been asked to monitor elections in dozens of countries...

And did I mention Nobel Peace Prize Laureate?

"Still Seeking a Fair Florida Vote," 9/26/04
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52800-2004Sep26.html

Carter called on the nation to "focus maximum public scrutiny on the suspicious process in Florida." He's clearly very interested in these issues.

He can be contacted through the Carter Center, the nonprofit organization he founded:
www.cartercenter.org
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:22 AM
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76. Buzzflash Premium - "Electile Dysfunction" a Take Back the Media FILM!
We've got some info in our film as well - spent the last year travelling all over the country - Will Pitt's in it, Janeane Garofalo, Rueben, Dill, Larry Flynt, tons of folks..

Linked on BUZZFLASH right now..

BuzzFlash's Recommendation

"We've posted links from and collaborated with Take Back The Media before. The work they do is always visually engaging, passionate, informed, pro-democracy, and antihypocrisy, which makes it a perfect fit with BuzzFlash and our readers.

When TBTM told us of their new film on election fraud and the 2004 elections, we wanted to help get the word out because -- not having seen much more than the trailer -- knew it was something our readers would enjoy.

We'll let Take Back the Media take over:"

For instance, do you know if you have a Constitutional right to have your vote counted, or for you to vote at all?

The 2004 election is no different than its predecessors except the potential for fraud was higher than ever seen before. Our cameras focused on irregularities in Florida and other states between reported results and exit poll results. Harassment and voter intimidation was a frequent sight at polling places -- and we've got it all on film.

Our award winning team is a mix of the musical masters and film magic-makers of Peopletopeople.tv, and one of the inventors of the political Flash attack ad - not only did Micheal Stinson of Takebackthemedia.com win a Hollywood award for his animation work (which is included in the film, bringing Monty-Pythonish humor to the subject) but the combined team created one of the 14 ads chosen from 1600 entries in the MoveOn.org "Bush in 30 seconds" contest.

Plus, Micheal has been seen fighting for our rights on cable news, including MSNBC, CNN, and FOX's The O'Reilly Factor show.
In short, we deliver - and we have a lot of fun doing it along the way. We get the whole story.

***

Hey, Bev isn't the only one the electronic voting fraud trail - Take Back the Media.com has been travelling for the last year working on this film - just back from Florida and busy adding the animation touches to our film..

It's important that we all work together on this.

Please hop on over to Buzzflash, read all about our film and help us all get the word out as we all work to save our democracy - have an "Electile Dysfunction" house party!

http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/04/11/pre04073.html

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Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:29 AM
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77. Re: Mainstream journalists for possible BBV story
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 12:49 AM by Titian
I think Aaron Brown or Sam Donaldson might look into your proposed story if you send it to them. I sent them a possible story and they wrote me back. I had emails for them but I lost them.

I don't know if the story ever was printed but I ended up getting an award I have no idea why from Rosa Parks and the civil rights organization she is a member of.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:47 AM
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78. Here is my oldest text file on this - links from 2002
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 01:14 AM by Stephanie

Sorry kind of messy but good OLD links -




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http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/11/05/voting_machines/index.html?x


Voting into the void
New touch-screen voting machines may look spiffy, but some experts say they can't be trusted.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Farhad Manjoo

Nov. 5, 2002 | In mid-September, a few days after yet another problem-ridden election in Florida, Rebecca Mercuri got a phone call from Janet Reno. Mercuri, a computer science professor at Bryn Mawr, wasn't very surprised to hear from the former attorney general; Reno had already been declared the unofficial loser in Florida's Democratic gubernatorial primary, and Mercuri, who during the past two years has become the country's fiercest critic of electronic voting machines, has recently found herself indispensable to losers.

A fast-talking, fact-toting woman who can recount dozens of stories of voting machines going disastrously haywire, Mercuri goes into a region whose election has been held up and proceeds to hold forth. Mercuri tells everyone she can, from election judges to county supervisors to the local media, that the supposedly "state-of-the-art" machines they've all been sold are nothing but a "a bill of goods."

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Rebecca Mercuri's site:

http://www.notablesoftware.com/evote.html

Welcome to the nightmare:
In the rush to correct problems exposed by the 2000 Presidential election debacle in Florida, many municipalities were pressured or required to procure new voting systems. The most vulnerable of these systems are the fully electronic touch-screen or kiosk (DRE) devices because of their lack of an independent, voter-verified audit trail. The vendors and certifying authorities have taken a "trust us" stance, claiming that the machines are "fail-safe" and that the internal record and tally constitutes an accurate reflection of the ballots cast on the machine. In fact, machines have failed in actual use, not only displaying choices that were not selected by the voters, but also by mis-recording votes (in some cases losing them entirely, or shifting them to other candidates). Some of the machines enter a lock-down mode at the end of the balloting session, where it is impossible to later check that votes could be cast properly for each candidate or issue. Vendors have tied the hands of election officials and independent examiners by protecting their systems under restrictive trade-secret agreements, making it a felony to inspect the operation of the machines without a comprehensive court order. The articles linked below in my writings section provide an illustration of the magnitude of these problems. My analyses are based on computer science and engineering facts, and are not politically motivated. Please read these materials carefully and contact me if you should require further clarification or assistance.

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This is a post by the fantastic Bartcopper Faun-Otter. Like Skinner said, I believe we simply got our asses kicked last night. Until I see evidence of something else, that is what I have to believe.
BUT

This data below from Faun should give serious pause.

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"Diebold - The face of modern ballot tampering"

You can't vote them out if....

You never voted them in.

The lack of any exit polling on November 5 has been oddly ignored by the media. Those pesky tracking polls leading up to the elections have been explained away by a ‘late surge to the Republicans’ caused by.... hmmmm, how about sun spot activity? With no exit polls, there was no other feedback to conflict with the "official" results, this allowed the Diebold touch screen machines to change the way election fraud is carried out.

Previously, election cheating was a complex matter of ballot tampering combined with sample skewing. That is to say, you screwed up ballots for your opponent with under or over votes, made sure that people likely to vote against you wouldn't even get that chance (the program of voter disenfranchisement in Florida) and padded your own vote total with such things as falsified absentee ballots.

In the much more high tech world of Diebold electronics we are seeing a wonderfully efficient vote rigging system, the long proposed 'black box' technology. Imagine a black box in which you cannot see the workings. The only things you can discern are an input and an output; in this case votes go in and collated totals come out. There is no paper record of each individual vote cast to enable any cross check of the collated output. The only information you can know for sure is the total number of votes cast on the machine. Each vote is stripped of any information as to who cast that ballot to guarantee anonymity for the voters. You now have a system in which you have no way to check vote recording, vote collation and transmission of the collated totals out of the black box.

The perfect crime?

Not quite.Let me suggest an experiment. We take two ‘markets’ with similar socioeconomic mixtures and a well established record of moving in the same political direction. We provide them with candidates from party X and party Y. We then expose them to similar news stories, we spill TV and radio ads over between the markets to make the effects less ‘local’ and give them identical weather on election day. The differences between the markets are 1. the candidates and 2. the method of casting and counting the votes. We then take a series of tracking polls on the gap between the candidates leading up to election day.

If we express the tracking poll data as the relative preference for the candidates (12 point lead by X, down one point from last week etc.), any substantial discrepancy between the forecast and actual election outcomes should arise from major news changes, the weather effects on turn out or a a social tendency to misrepresent voting intent. Since both groups get the same news, the same weather and have the same social tendencies, any difference between tracking poll and actual poll data should be in the same direction and of a similar magnitude.

Sooooo...... how come the South Carolina elections had the Democrats doing much better than the tracking poll data showed and the Georgia elections, in an area with the same weather, same news and same social values, had a massive swing in a single day after the last tracking poll, in the opposite direction? Could it be the Diebold touch screen machines in use across the entire state of Georgia but not used at all in SC?

Of course, such a perfect method of mischief has been attempted before,

http://www.votescam.com/frame.html

-- Go to the link marked "Chapters" and read all about it. Watch how few lines pass before the names Bush and Sununu come up.

You can trim the wheels in mechanical voting machines but that is easier to spot than a computer program set up to be date sensitive so it causes only to ‘misfunction’ on November 5. The current problem with virtual ballot tampering was apparent as long ago as 1989. Jonathan Vankin made this warning in "Metro: Silicon Valley's Weekly Newspaper," of Sept. 28, 1989

“A single, Berkeley- based firm manufactures the software used in the machines that compile more than two-thirds of the nation's electronically-counted votes. Analysts describe the software as "spaghetti code," tangled strands of instructions indecipherable to outsiders. The experts say the code could be manipulated without detection. In fact, that may have happened already.”

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http://www.conspire.com/vote-fraud.html

After systematic punch card fraud was revealed in the 2000 election, touch screens were proposed as a panacea and have been rapidly adopted against the warning of experts,

“Critics warn local election officials could be trading one set of problems for another potentially as bad, or worse, than last year's election debacle.

They vigorously argue that fully electronic systems pose data-security problems and lack a paper trail.

"There's no way to independently verify that the voter's ballot as cast was actually the ballot being recorded by the machine,'' said Rebecca Mercuri, a computer scientist and visiting lecturer at Bryn Mawr College in Pennsylvania.”

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http://www.kioskcom.com/article_detail.php?ident=1021

It would be interesting to impound a few machines from the heaviest leaning Democratic areas in Georgia and reset the date in the machine to November 5, 2002. A hand counted series of inputs could be made to the machines. Note to James Baker: hand counting is the gold standard against which we check machine counting efficiency. An input of 500 or so ‘dummy’ votes could then be tabulated and the outcome checked against the inputs. Of course, you could just check the software code. Except for one problem; the company refuses to let anyone see their code on the grounds that is a trade secret.

Oddly enough, Diebold aren’t the only Republican partisans who “helped” select our candidates for office yesterday:

“According to his press office, in 1995 Chuck Hagel resigned as CEO of American Information Systems (AIS), the voting machine company that counted the votes in his first Senatorial election in 1996. In January 1996 Hagel resigned as president of McCarthy & Company, part of the McCarthy Group that are one of the current owners of Election Systems and Software (ES&S), which itself resulted from the merger of AIS and Business Records Corporation. According to publicist/writer Bev Harris, Hagel is still an investor in the McCarthy Group. ES&S is now the largest voting machine company in America. One of its largest owners is the ultra-conservative Omaha World-Herald Company.”
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Landes_Ambush.htm
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For more background reading on who gets to play with your ballot, see:
http://www.talion.com/election-machines.html

Who are Diebold?
The corporate officers are as thick as thieves with the Republican hard right religious nut division. For those who have been lucky enough to forget, Senator Faircloth was the protege of Jesse Helms in NC. It looks like the board and the directors were all putting up money for a Faircloth victory when Edwards took that senate seat. I wonder if they conspired to put things right.....?

Don't just scan over the following list of Diebold's board and officers - look for patterns. Why were they all so set on Faircloth, Voinowhasit and DeWine? This looks too bizarre for words. Did they have some litmus test that required donations to these ultra right wing loonies?

http://www.diebold.com/

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http://www.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Election%20Reform

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http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/ukcrypto/2002-July/019870.html

From: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGAIFTWBQ3D.html :

Published: Jul 16, 2002

Former Mayor Emil Danciu's suit seeks to have the results overturned
and a new election held.

The suit .. seeks to allow an independent review of the voting machines and related software and security features.

Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore says .. an independent review of the voting machines and related software and security features.. would void the machines' warranty .. and even if were available, she couldn't provide it because it includes trade secrets of Sequoia Voting Systems Inc., which manufactures the machines... and that have been reviewed twice by labs appointed by the federal government and also by a state worker.

"I'm not willing to let anyone take a machine and take it apart," LePore said. "I don't think the taxpayers would appreciate them taking apart a $3,500 machine and voiding the warranty."


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Former candidate gets supervisor to sequester a voting machine
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-danciu082102.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

By Patty Pensa
Sun-Sentinel
Posted August 22 2002

A losing candidate convinced the county’s elections supervisor Tuesday to sequester one voting machine used during a disputed March election in Boca Raton.

But the team representing Emil Danciu didn’t immediately get what they really wanted — a chance to fully inspect the voting machine. Attorney Charlotte Danciu, who represents her father, said she plans to seek a judge’s permission to inspect the machine after Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore rebuffed that request.

<snip> “I need to get ready for my election,” LePore said of the Sept. 10 primary election. “If the election is delayed, it’s going to be delayed by this.”

After an hour of poring over pre-election testing reports, the unsatisfied Danciu team planned to immediately ask a judge for an order to preserve the program on machines used in Boca Raton. In a race for two open seats, Danciu finished third — 2,583 votes behind the second-place candidate. The race’s top two vote-getters won seats.

After two hours, LePore said she would set aside one machine without erasing its program. The other machines used in Boca Raton will be reprogrammed for September, although LePore has retained the Boca Raton election data in separate computer and paper files. For the primary, voters will notice some changes in the program: Ballot choices left unmarked will appear in red and a review button will pop up automatically at the end of the ballot.

Assistant County Attorney Leon St. John has argued that LePore couldn’t allow anyone to examine the computer program because it is protected as a trade secret under state law.

“At least we’ll preserve the evidence,” said Charlotte Danciu, who plans to ask for a court order next week to fully test the machine.

“It’s about the entire election process in Palm Beach County and the state. We kind of feel like it’s our obligation to pursue this and restore voters’ faith in the system,” she said.

Kathryn Ferguson, spokeswoman for manufacturer Sequoia Voting Systems Inc., said the company would fight for its proprietary information but comply if a judge allows Danciu’s team to study the program.

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-0716pbvoting.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

Expert: Palm Beach's new voting machines have problems
By Jill Barton
Associated Press Writer
Posted July 16 2002, 6:44 PM EDT

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- The voting machines that replaced butterfly ballots and hanging chads are checked by an ``Enron-style of auditing'' and don't provide voters any assurance that their votes are being cast, an expert testified Tuesday.

Rebecca Mercuri, a computer science professor at Bryn Mawr College in Pennsylvania, said questions remain about the $14 million machines Palm Beach County purchased to improve its voting system because they are designed to audit themselves.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:05 AM
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79. another - ancient - PR from Kim Alexander, CalVoter.org
http://www.calvoter.org/cvfnews/cvfnews091302.html

Hi Folks,

Last week, Judge Stephen V. Wilson ruled in support of Riverside County, California's touchscreen voting system in the case Weber vs. Jones. As I've mentioned in a previous edition of CVF-NEWS, this case was brought by Susan Marie Weber, a Riverside county voter, who sued the Secretary of State, claiming that the paperless, touchscreen voting systems deployed in Riverside county are not safe from fraud and manipulation due to the use of proprietary software and the absence of a voter-verified paper trail.

Judge Wilson dismissed Weber's case on the grounds that she had not put forward sufficient material evidence to make her case (he found my declaration, which is online at http://www.calvoter.org/votingtech/riversidestatement.html to be "irrelevant" and the news articles I submitted describing recent voting technology problems to be hearsay).

His ruling, which is available online through Weber's web site, at http://www.electionguardians.org/opinion.htm, finds that the benefits of touchscreen voting advance several "important state interests". These include: eliminating the loss of votes due to damaged, mismarked or over-voted ballots; improving the ability to conduct early voting programs; improving access to voters with disabilities; and enabling counties to provide ballots in multiple languages.



In his ruling, Judge Wilson, like many others, compares touchscreen voting to using an ATM. But in fact, it's not like an ATM in some important ways. The voting transaction is supposed to be secret, while your bank transaction is known to your bank. The voting transaction gives nothing of record or value back at the end of the process, while the ATM transaction gives you money and/or a paper receipt that can be used to verify your transaction if needed. The ATM transaction, because it is not secret and because it is backed up both by a paper trail and a printed statement, can be recovered if lost; digital ballots cannot.

My greatest fear is that we will have this one chance in a generation to upgrade our voting equipment and end up spending millions of dollars on voting systems that are not transparent enough to protect the integrity of our electoral process. Or, as Weber and her "Election Guardians" would put it: we have undermined the integrity of our electoral process when the ability to manipulate elections is greater than our ability to detect the manipulation.

I don't think the debate over touchscreen voting is over -- it's really just beginning.

What do you think?

-- Kim Alexander, California Voter Foundation
www.calvoter.org
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:13 AM
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80. Here are some more
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:14 AM
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81. Getting more ............
More stories by William Rivers Pitt
Everyone remembers Florida's 2000 election debacle, and all of the new terms it introduced to our political lexicon: Hanging chads, dimpled chads, pregnant chads, overvotes, undervotes, Sore Losermans, Jews for Buchanan and so forth. It took several weeks, battalions of lawyers and a questionable decision from the U.S. Supreme Court to show the nation and the world how messy democracy can be. By any standard, what happened in Florida during the 2000 Presidential election was a disaster.
What happened during the Presidential election of 2004, in Florida, in Ohio, and in a number of other states as well, was worse.
Some of the problems with this past Tuesday's election will sound all too familiar. Despite having four years to look into and deal with the problems that cropped up in Florida in 2000, the "spoiled vote" chad issue reared its ugly head again. Investigative journalist Greg Palast, the man almost singularly responsible for exposing the more egregious examples of illegitimate deletions of voters from the rolls, described the continued problems in an article published just before the election, and again in an article published just after the election.
Four years later, and none of the Florida problems were fixed. In fact, by all appearances, they spread from Florida to Ohio, New Mexico, Michigan and elsewhere. Worse, these problems only scratch the surface of what appears to have happened in Tuesday's election. The fix that was put in place to solve these problems – the Help America Vote Act passed in 2002 after the Florida debacle – appears to have gone a long way towards making things worse by orders of magnitude, for it was the Help America Vote Act which introduced paperless electronic touch-screen voting machines to millions of voters across the country.
At first blush, it seems like a good idea. Forget the chads, the punch cards, the archaic booths like pianos standing on end with the handles and the curtains. This is the 21st century, so let's do it with computers. A simple screen presents straightforward choices, and you touch the spot on the screen to vote for your candidate. Your vote is recorded by the machine, and then sent via modem to a central computer which tallies the votes. Simple, right?
Not quite.
Is there any evidence that these machines went haywire on Tuesday? Nationally, there were more than 1,100 reports of electronic voting machine malfunctions. A few examples:
· In Broward County, Florida, election workers were shocked to discover that their shiny new machines were counting backwards. "Tallies should go up as more votes are counted," according to this report. "That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone down. Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward."
· In Franklin County, Ohio, electronic voting machines gave Bush 3,893 extra votes in one precinct alone. "Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B," according to this report. "Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there. The other 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president."
· In Craven County, North Carolina, a software error on the electronic voting machines awarded Bush 11,283 extra votes. "The Elections Systems and Software equipment," according to this report, "had downloaded voting information from nine of the county's 26 precincts and as the absentee ballots were added, the precinct totals were added a second time. An override, like those occurring when one attempts to save a computer file that already exists, is supposed to prevent double counting, but did not function correctly."
· In Carteret County, North Carolina, "More than 4,500 votes may be lost in one North Carolina county because officials believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. Local officials said UniLect Corp., the maker of the county's electronic voting system, told them that each storage unit could handle 10,500 votes, but the limit was actually 3,005 votes. Officials said 3,005 early votes were stored, but 4,530 were lost."
· In LaPorte County, Indiana, a Democratic stronghold, the electronic voting machines decided that each precinct only had 300 voters. "At about 7 p.m. Tuesday," according to this report, "it was noticed that the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters. That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, although there are actually more than 79,000 registered voters."
· In Sarpy County, Nebraska, the electronic touch screen machines got generous. "As many as 10,000 extra votes," according to this report, "have been tallied and candidates are still waiting for corrected totals. Johnny Boykin lost his bid to be on the Papillion City Council. The difference between victory and defeat in the race was 127 votes. Boykin says, 'When I went in to work the next day and saw that 3,342 people had shown up to vote in our ward, I thought something's not right.' He's right. There are not even 3,000 people registered to vote in his ward. For some reason, some votes were counted twice."
Stories like this have been popping up in many of the states that put these touch-screen voting machines to use. Beyond these reports are the folks who attempted to vote for one candidate and saw the machine give their vote to the other candidate. Sometimes, the flawed machines were taken off-line, and sometimes they were not. As for the reports above, the mistakes described were caught and corrected. How many mistakes made by these machines were not caught, were not corrected, and have now become part of the record?
The flaws within these machines are well documented. Professors and researchers from Johns Hopkins performed a detailed analysis of these electronic voting machines in May of 2004. In their results, the Johns Hopkins researchers stated, "This voting system is far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts. We identify several problems including unauthorized privilege escalation, incorrect use of cryptography, vulnerabilities to network threats, and poor software development processes. We show that voters, without any insider privileges, can cast unlimited votes without being detected by any mechanisms within the voting terminal software."
"Furthermore," they continued, "we show that even the most serious of our outsider attacks could have been discovered and executed without access to the source code. In the face of such attacks, the usual worries about insider threats are not the only concerns; outsiders can do the damage. That said, we demonstrate that the insider threat is also quite considerable, showing that not only can an insider, such as a poll worker, modify the votes, but that insiders can also violate voter privacy and match votes with the voters who cast them. We conclude that this voting system is unsuitable for use in a general election."
Many of these machines do not provide the voter with a paper ballot that verifies their vote. So if an error – or purposefully inserted malicious code – in the untested machine causes their vote to go for the other guy, they have no way to verify that it happened. The lack of a paper ballot also means the end of recounts as we have known them; now, on these new machines, a recount amounts to pushing a button on the machine and getting a number in return, but without those paper ballots to do a comparison, there is no way to verify the validity of that count.
Worst of all is the fact that all the votes collected by these machines are sent via modem to a central tabulating computer which counts the votes on Windows software. This means, essentially, that any gomer with access to the central tabulation machine who knows how to work an Excel spreadsheet can go into this central computer and make wholesale changes to election totals without anyone being the wiser.
Bev Harris, who has been working tirelessly since the passage of the Help America Vote Act to inform people of the dangers present in this new process, got a chance to demonstrate how easy it is to steal an election on that central tabulation computer while a guest on the CNBC program 'Topic A With Tina Brown.' Ms. Brown was off that night, and the guest host was none other than Governor Howard Dean. Thanks to Governor Dean and Ms. Harris, anyone watching CNBC that night got to see just how easy it is to steal an election because of these new machines and the flawed processes they use.
"In a voting system," Harris said on the show, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once? What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."
Harris then proceeded to open a laptop computer that had on it the software used to tabulate the votes by one of the aforementioned central processors. Journalist Thom Hartman describes what happened next: "So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS tabulation software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the 'My Computer' icon, choose 'Local Disk C:,' open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder 'LocalDB' which, Harris noted, 'stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes.' Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled Central Tabulator Votes,' which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel. 'Let's just flip those,' Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, 'We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds.'"
Any system that makes it this easy to steal or corrupt an election has no business being anywhere near the voters on election day.
The counter-argument to this states that people with nefarious intent, people with a partisan stake in the outcome of an election, would have to have access to the central tabulation computers in order to do harm to the process. Keep the partisans away from the process, and everything will work out fine. Surely no partisan political types were near these machines on Tuesday night when the votes were counted, right?
One of the main manufacturers of these electronic touch-screen voting machines is Diebold, Inc. More than 35 counties in Ohio alone used the Diebold machines on Tuesday, and millions of voters across the country did the same. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Diebold gave $100,000 to the Republican National Committee in 2000, along with additional contributions between 2001 and 2002 which totaled $95,000. Of the four companies competing for the contracts to manufacture these voting machines, only Diebold contributed large sums to any political party. The CEO of Diebold is a man named Walden O'Dell. O'Dell was very much on board with the Bush campaign, having said publicly in 2003 that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
So much for keeping the partisans at arm's length.
Is there any evidence that vote totals were deliberately tampered with by people who had a stake in the outcome? Nothing specific has been documented to date. Jeff Fisher, the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District, claims to have evidence that the Florida election was hacked, and says further that he knows who hacked it and how it was done. Such evidence is not yet forthcoming.
There are, however, some disturbing and compelling trends that indicate things are not as they should be. This chart displays a breakdown of counties in Florida. It lists the voters in each county by party affiliation, and compares expected vote totals to the reported results. It also separates the results into two sections, one for "touch-screen" counties and the other for optical scan counties.
Over and over in these counties, the results, based upon party registration, did not come close to matching expectations. It can be argued, and has been argued, that such results indicate nothing more or less than a President getting cross-over voters, as well as late-breaking undecided voters, to come over to his side. These are Southern Democrats, and the numbers from previous elections show that many have often voted Republican. Yet the news wires have been inundated for well over a year with stories about how stridently united Democratic voters were behind the idea of removing Bush from office. It is worth wondering why that unity did not permeate these Democratic voting districts. If that unity was there, it is worth asking why the election results in these counties do not reflect this.
Most disturbing of all is the reality that these questionable Diebold voting machines are not isolated to Florida. This list documents, as of March 2003, all of the counties in all of the 37 states where Diebold machines were used to count votes. The document is 28 pages long. That is a lot of counties, and a lot of votes, left in the hands of machines that have a questionable track record, that send their vote totals to central computers which make it far too easy to change election results, that were manufactured by a company with a personal, financial, and publicly stated stake in George W. Bush holding on to the White House.
A poster named "TruthIsAll" on the DemocraticUnderground.com forums laid out the questionable results of Tuesday's election in succinct fashion: "To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe: That the exit polls were wrong; that Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning Ohio and Florida were wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that Harris' last-minute polling for Kerry was wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that incumbent rule #1 – undecideds break for the challenger - was wrong; That the 50% rule – an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling - was wrong; That the approval rating rule – an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election – was wrong; that it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect (+5% for Bush) where there was no paper trail; that the surge in new young voters had no positive effect for Kerry; that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000; that voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election."
In short, we have old-style vote spoilage in minority communities. We have electronic voting machines losing votes and adding votes all across the country. We have electronic voting machines whose efficiency and safety have not been tested. We have electronic voting machines that offer no paper trail to ensure a fair outcome. We have central tabulators for these machines running on Windows software, compiling results that can be demonstrably tampered with. We have the makers of these machines publicly professing their preference for George W. Bush. We have voter trends that stray from the expected results. We have these machines counting millions of votes all across the country.
Perhaps this can all be dismissed. Perhaps rants like the one posted by "TruthIsAll" are nothing more than sour grapes from the side that lost. Perhaps all of the glitches, wrecked votes, unprecedented voting trends and partisan voting-machine connections can be explained away. If so, this reporter would very much like to see those explanations. At a bare minimum, the fact that these questions exist at all represents a grievous undermining of the basic confidence in the process required to make this democracy work. Democracy should not ever require leaps of faith, and we have put the fate of our nation into the hands of machines that require such a leap. It is unacceptable across the board, and calls into serious question not only the election we just had, but any future election involving these machines.
Representatives John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler and Robert Wexler, all members of the House Judiciary Committee, posted a letter on November 5th to David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States. In the letter, they asked for an investigation into the efficacy of these electronic voting machines. The letter reads as follows:
November 5, 2004
The Honorable David M. Walker
Comptroller General of the United States
U.S. General Accountability Office
441 G Street, NW
Washington, DC 20548
Dear Mr. Walker:
We write with an urgent request that the Government Accountability Office immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration.
In particular, we are extremely troubled by the following reports, which we would also request that you review and evaluate for us:
In Columbus, Ohio, an electronic voting system gave President Bush nearly 4,000 extra votes. ("Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes," Associated Press, November 5)
An electronic tally of a South Florida gambling ballot initiative failed to record thousands of votes. "South Florida OKs Slot Machines Proposal," (Id.)
In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots could hold more data that it did. "Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes," (Id.)
In San Francisco, a glitch occurred with voting machines software that resulted in some votes being left uncounted. (Id.)
In Florida, there was a substantial drop off in Democratic votes in proportion to voter registration in counties utilizing optical scan machines that was apparently not present in counties using other mechanisms.
The House Judiciary Committee Democratic staff has received numerous reports from Youngstown, Ohio that voters who attempted to cast a vote for John Kerry on electronic voting machines saw that their votes were instead recorded as votes for George W. Bush. In South Florida, Congressman Wexler's staff received numerous reports from voters in Palm Beach, Broward and Dade Counties that they attempted to select John Kerry but George Bush appeared on the screen. CNN has reported that a dozen voters in six states, particularly Democrats in Florida, reported similar problems. This was among over one thousand such problems reported. ("Touchscreen Voting Problems Reported," Associated Press, November 5)
Excessively long lines were a frequent problem throughout the nation in Democratic precincts, particularly in Florida and Ohio. In one Ohio voting precinct serving students from Kenyon College, some voters were required to wait more than eight hours to vote. ("All Eyes on Ohio," Dan Lothian, CNN, November 3)
We are literally receiving additional reports every minute and will transmit additional information as it comes available. The essence of democracy is the confidence of the electorate in the accuracy of voting methods and the fairness of voting procedures. In 2000, that confidence suffered terribly, and we fear that such a blow to our democracy may have occurred in 2004.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this inquiry.
Sincerely,
John Conyers, Jr., Jerrold Nadler, Robert Wexler
Ranking Member, Ranking Member, Member of Congress House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on the Constitution
cc: Hon. F. James Sensenbrenner, Chairman
"The essence of democracy," wrote the Congressmen, "is the confidence of the electorate in the accuracy of voting methods and the fairness of voting procedures. In 2000, that confidence suffered terribly, and we fear that such a blow to our democracy may have occurred in 2004." Those fears appear to be valid.
John Kerry and John Edwards promised on Tuesday night that every vote would count, and that every vote would be counted. By Wednesday morning, Kerry had conceded the race to Bush, eliciting outraged howls from activists who were watching the reports of voting irregularities come piling in. Kerry had said that 10,000 lawyers were ready to fight any wrongdoing in this election. One hopes that he still has those lawyers on retainer.
According to black-letter election law, Bush does not officially get a second term until the electors from the Electoral College go to Washington D.C on December 12th. Perhaps Kerry's 10,000 lawyers, along with a real investigation per the request of Conyers, Nadler and Wexler, could give those electors something to think about in the interim.
In the meantime, soon-to-be-unemployed DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe sent out an email on Saturday night titled 'Help determine the Democratic Party's next steps.' In the email, McAuliffe states, "If you were involved in these grassroots activities, we want to hear from you about your experience. What did you do? Did you feel the action you took was effective? Was it a good experience for you? How would you make it better? Tell us your thoughts." He provided a feedback form where such thoughts can be sent.
Use the form. Give Terry your thoughts on the matter. Ask him if those 10,000 lawyers are still available. It seems the validity of Tuesday's election remains a wide-open question.
William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and international bestseller of two books – "War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know'"and '"The Greatest Sedition is Silence."
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:29 AM
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83. more links
Exit Polls Right, Tallies Wrong?
By Thom Hartmann, AlterNet, on Nov 5, 2004
http://www.alternet.org/ts/archives/?date=11&date=2004&date=05&act=Go/

http://michiganimc.org/
on Nov 5th
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:18 AM
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82. New Yorker
Seymour Hersh has at least talked about the voter suppression strategy implemented by the DOJ's "Voting Section" that was planned and rolled out for the election.

I think you should contact him to talk about what happened to keep voters off the rolls and from the polls in Ohio, Florida and elsewhere.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:35 AM
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84. Gropenator-Davis-Recall-Diebold Flash Cartoon
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:27 AM
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85. this is WONDERFUL!!!
Would anyone be willing to volunteer to put the following information (only) from the stories above into spreadsheet or table format? This is so we can contact the relatively friendly writers and pitch stories to them, so we don't need their previous stories in the spreadsheet/table. Just the following:

1. Name of writer

2. Name of Publication (including city if local)

3. Email

4. Any other contact info that's provided (won't be any generally)


Thank you for your amazing efforts.





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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:33 AM
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86. UC Berkeley Study Questions Florida E-Vote Count
HOT off the presses...Sorry, I can't do a speadsheet for you :(

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041118/sfth040_1.html

UC Berkeley Study Questions Florida E-Vote Count
Thursday November 18, 1:23 am ET
Research Team Calls for Immediate Investigation


BERKELEY, Calif., Nov. 18 /PRNewswire/ --
When: Thursday, November 18, 2004, 10:00 a.m. PST

Where: UC Berkeley campus, Survey Research Center Conference Room --
2538 Channing Way (intersection of Channing/Bowditch). Parking on Durant
near Telegraph.

What: A research team at UC Berkeley will report that irregularities
associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded
130,000 - 260,000 or more excess votes to President George W. Bush in
Florida in the 2004 presidential election. The study shows an unexplained
discrepancy between votes for President Bush in counties where electronic
voting machines were used versus counties using traditional voting
methods. Discrepancies this large or larger rarely arise by chance -- the
probability is less than 0.1 percent. The research team, led by Professor
Michael Hout, will formally disclose results of the study at the press
conference.

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madrigal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:39 PM
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95. kick n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:58 AM
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87. Complete US Exit Poll Data Confirms Net Suspicions
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

~snip~

Scoop.co.nz is delighted to be able today to publish a full set of 4pm exit poll data for the first time on the Internet since the US election. The data emerged this evening NZT in a post on the Democratic Underground website under the forum name TruthIsAll.

The new data confirms what was already widely known about the swing in favour of George Bush, but amplifies the extent of that swing.




Figure 1: Graph showing the "red shift" between 2004 US General Election exit polls & the actual 2004 US Election results
In the data which is shown below in tabulated form, and above in graph form, we can see that 42 of the 51 states in the union swung towards George Bush while only nine swung towards Kerry.

There has to date been no official explanation for the discrepancy.
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Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:29 AM
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88. Technology Review Article-The Real Problem with Voting
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 09:07 AM by Titian
By Ted Selker
November 17, 2004

http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/11/wo_selker111704.asp?trk=nl

As co-director of the Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project (VTP), I have been involved in inventing new secure voting machines, designing better ballots, and analyzing problems in the overall voting experience. Concerns about opportunities for voting equipment fraud have always been central to debates about elections. The VTP’s analysis of elections has shown that registration problems, poor ballot design, and careleess polling place procedures dominate the way votes are lost. Now, people are concerned about the 2004 election; to help, we released a report showing that exit polls did not in fact predict that John Kerry would fare better than he actually did in Ohio polling stations that used electronic voting machines. I have enjoyed the opportunity to carefully watch elections at hundreds of polling places nationwide for the past three-and-a-half years. What I have observed is that grave errors of judgment and protocol are apparent almost everywhere, regardless of the voting method used. Even in a well-run election, a poll-watcher witnesses an array of problems.

A: Well, I don't want to write off legitimate questions about the integrity of the voting system. But turn the question around: Which is more likely -- that an exit polling system that has been consistently wrong and troubled turned out to be wrong and troubled again, or that a vast conspiracy carried out by scores and scores of county and state election officials was successfully carried off to distort millions of American votes? I think the Kerry campaign concluded that the former is what happened. But we'll keep our eyes open for hard evidence of abuse, and we won't be afraid to investigate if we see something significant.

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:09 AM
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90. As posted elsewhere, beware Selker
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 11:10 AM by RedEagle
Just review what this guy does very carefully.

Selker and Shamos have been shills for no paper for years now.

Find a quote by a computer scientist against paper, and if it's not someone tied to the industry directly, it's usually Selker and Shamos.

Their areas of expertise are not in security, either.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:26 PM
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91. Again: There is absolutely no reason in the world to use insecure
electronic voting machines other than for a malevolent party to be able to easily commit almost undetectable election fraud.

This is the entire purpose of the existence of electronic voting devices: To be able to manipulate the outcome of elections without leaving any tangible evidence of this manipulation.

Electronic voting machines are expensive to purchase, are unreliable due to mechanical breakdown and human error, require constant maintenance and certification, are too technical for the average poll worker to comprehend, are eminently vulnerable to fraud, etc. ad infinitum.

Electronic voting is a ridiculous concept and practice that is beyond the realm of all logic and reason outside of some malevolent, Machiavellian, anti-democratic purpose.

So: Why do we not use ballots that are marked by hand, ballots that are counted by human beings, ballots which can be easily recounted, ballots which inspire the greatest amount of voter confidence because of the complete transparency and accountability of the process?

The voting process can be made almost completely accountable and transparent, can be protected against fraud to the greatest degree possible, can insure the least amount of vote loss due to voter and/or poll worker error, and can achieve the greatest statistical degree of vote tally accuracy possible.

If certain elected officials in our government wish to argue that this is too difficult to achieve, then they are incompetent, and are not qualified for the job of administrating a democracy, and should resign immediately. No excuses.

Some people, who may have ulterior motives, might say that that using hand marked paper ballots would be too expensive or too time consuming.

But I truly believe that the majority of us feel that confidence in the outcome of all elections, and freedom and democracy in our country, is priceless, and that most of us would gladly pay for how ever much these inalienable rights might cost.

There's no reason for Americans to be saddled with this absurd, huge "White Elephant" that electronic voting machines inherently are other than so that republican party can steal our votes and consequently our democracy.




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Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 03:18 PM
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93.  I agree the article seems like propaganda for the Republican Taliban
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 03:20 PM by Titian
When I first read the title I thought it would be a very well written article by the scientific community that would write about both sides of the issue.

I doubt very much anyone will find a media person that will want to do the research that is necessary to do a story on BBV. BBV, might be best to research it and write it, and then send it to the media to see if one of the media giants will duplicate it.

The media does not do research into stories like most people think they do, in fact they do basically nothing and just duplicate other stories.

The media is just a tool of the military-industrial-complex.

I personally think that the reason why our country has never invented very much like it once did is because of the military-industrial-complex taking over the scientific community.

In my article on DU I go into it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1366529&mesg_id=1366987

No I guess the reason why I could not ever vote for a Republican is
because of the Republican Party being so militaristic. Republicans actually worship the A bomb.

Even when the scientists that created it such as Ralph Lapp said, that the creation of the bomb was the worst thing they ever did and that they think the A-Bomb should be dismantled the Republicans went nuts.

All the Republicans did from then was takeover the scientific community in America then turned it into a miliary-industrial-complex run by Army generals. With Republican Taliban Generals telling the scientific community what to invent and work on.

Then from the 40's on they went on to takeover all the political, educational, and business organizations as well.

Ralph Lapp an American physicist who, with Teller, built the first hydrogen bomb in 1949 describes why the bomb was such a failure in his book Kill and Overkill.


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Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:35 AM
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89. Self Delete
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 09:09 AM by Titian
Dupe
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:14 PM
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92. Kick
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:29 PM
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94. Kick again
Did you get what you needed Hedda?

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