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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:00 PM
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The new Arms race that Russia is instigating
China and Russia are altready engaging in new trade and energy deals with one another.

Russia is now starting a new nukes program.

Putin (Pootie-poot) supported * during the campaign.

Many Chinese exports go to the USA. Indeed, if Wal-Mart was a country, it would be in China's top 10 in terms of volume.

Is this new arms race REALLY out to scare anybody? Or are the corporate overlords behind this, as a means to divert everybody from their task of exterminating the middle class?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:01 PM
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1. Wonder how much Bushco paid Putin for that press release?
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:07 PM
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2. Putin wants Bush to bankrupt us
Not that Bush needs encouragement in that regard. But this, imho, is just Putin helping Bush dig his (our) deficit hole deeper. Think Bush will fall for it? Of course, all his personal proceeds will get squirrled away off-shore anyway, in fact, they already are...
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:11 PM
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No Arms Race -- Just PR
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 06:11 PM by nine30
The Missle Defence project will never take off, and neither will Russia's fictitous missle. Russia cannot let go the Missle Defence proposition unanswered. This is pure PR and both Bush and Putin know it.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:11 PM
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3. that Russia is instigating?
And Iraq started the war?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:55 PM
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4. Point taken. But,
if Russia is anti-*, why was Pootie-poot openly endorsing * in Election 2004? That was why I used 'instigating', though all of this could be corporate america's latest chicanery. Again, China needs walmart.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:57 PM
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5. He's just going to break us
like the Soviet Union became unsustainable when it was spread so thin.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:16 PM
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8. truth in that
Putin, as well as many other world leaders whose countries hold over 40% of American's $5 trillion debt are more than happy to keep us bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. Putin may indeed be pushing Bush to spend additional billions for a distant and remote threat. The chances that Bush and the republican controlled Congress will take the bait is as good as their obsession, so far, with an escalation of our nuclear arsenal, from missile defense to militarization of space.

Of course, there exists the possibility that President Bush actually assembled the Pentagon's recent pack of military and aerospace executives to run his foreign policy in his own anticipation of credible threats to deter a future assault on our nation's security.

What foresight he must have had from his Texas ranch. What of it, if executives and shareholders in the military and space industry happen to rape of our treasury to fulfill their own hunger to dominate the world?

There seems to be no limit to these industry executive's ambitions. The administration is pushing ahead with the expansion of the military space and nuclear programs, despite the limitations of the nation's weak economy and the adoption of many other costly ‘priorities' for the armed forces.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:58 PM
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12. Maybe that is to replace IT. Think about it:
We had manufacturing and offshored it. Replaced it with IT.

Now IT is going out the door. And now, lo and behold, is a need for people in the military. Even rumor has it that the government will be recruiting people for non-military functions, claiming that IT specialists are in high demand. (what a lovely coincidence, that.)

Will I bite? As long as I get a decent pay, what the hell. And you know they will have to pay reasonably well to (mostly) fill the gulf left by the private sector. I just like being useful. And it's infinitely better than being homeless, rotting away in a gutter. When it boils down to reality, and assuming that is ultimately what will happen (it's just a rumor found on some fringe websites at this point), I bet LOTS of people will flock at the prospect of having a job again.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:14 PM
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14. better get what you can fast
I intend to help with the drying up of the corporate well, starting with the military.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:57 PM
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6. Bush instigated it, not Putin
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:02 PM
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7. That belongs to Bush ... we deployed an ABM system.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 08:04 PM by Pepperbelly
The world of nuclear arms ... the big-ass serious MOFOs, has been pretty stable for a long time until Bonehead decided to throw a shit-pot of cash at the old military industrial complex for his boondoggle. So now he has deployed a system that doesn't work again Russia's OLD missiles and they are deploying newer and more effective missiles.

He is an enemy of both peace and freedom.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:30 PM
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9. So much for Reagan's Legacy
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:41 PM
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11. Yep! You said it! And, there goes my Right Winger brother's explanation
as to why we should free another nation like Iraq! He buys into Chimp's kool aid that free nations don't attack other free nations! Huh, seems like Putin is going against the grain here!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:59 PM
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13. Thank goodness. Reagan never really ended it. He put a big blanket over it
:-(
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:37 PM
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10. President Promises Better Nukes
Russia's defense industry is developing a new nuclear missile system that will be second to none in the world, and the armed forces will have it in their arsenal in the near future, President Vladimir Putin told a meeting of the military top brass Wednesday.

"We are not just carrying out research and missile tests of new nuclear missile systems. I am confident that they will be commissioned in the next few years. And no other nuclear power will have such developed systems in the next few years," Putin said at the annual Defense Ministry meeting, attended by hundreds of officers.

"We understand that other threats will arise if we pay less attention to such components of our defense as the nuclear missile shield," he said, apparently referring to threats from the United States and other nuclear powers.

Putin did not specify which of the new nuclear systems under development he was referring to.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/11/18/001.html

The cold war was a time where no war was going on but mutual destruction kept both parties from preemptive action. As that policy has been found to be outdated then countries must act and react to protect themselves, especially if there is going to be the possibility of preemptive strikes.
Just look at the action that China is taking all over the world in establishing relationships.
What would you expect your country to do if another country were to adopt and now move to implement a policy of preemptive strikes?
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