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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:14 PM
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What is it that the hippie's did right?
I know that they were labeled that because of their peace activism. My question is what can we learn from them and put into this generation and use right now that they did right?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:15 PM
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1. They perfected tie-dying.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:28 PM
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87. We were passionate...
...and made a lotta love and tried to stop a war.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:15 PM
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2. make love not war
eom
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:24 PM
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75. What if they gave a war
and nobody came?
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:16 PM
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3. The will to stand up for what is right,
even if standing up made them unpopular or sweaty.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:32 PM
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79. "Hell, NO, we WON'T GO!!! (say it again) Hell, NO, we WON'T GO!!
(a little louder now)...

A significant number of young men of that generation said no to the
warmongers, and found the courage to turn their protest into a movement by claiming that they had sovereignty over their own lives.
They sent their draft cards back to the Pentagon, hell, they even tried to levitate the Pentagon. I think their strength was in their numbers, the sheer numbers of the baby boom generation.

I hope and pray that if the draft comes this generation of young men and women will have the courage to rise up and say "Hell NO, we WON'T GO", just as their parents or grandparents did.
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:33 AM
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88. It's time to dust off the old anti-war tunes of that day. eom
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:16 PM
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4. Better living through chemistry
eom
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Soopercali Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:16 PM
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5. Basically, they generated 50,000 dead soldiers.
By the time the Vietnam war was over, just about everyone knew someone who died in the war. That's what made the difference with the mainstream.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:25 PM
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26. "Basically, they generated 50,000 dead soldiers."
That definatly could use some clarification.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:54 PM
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50. huh? I always thought LBJ and Nixon were the generators?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:24 PM
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62. WTF???....sniff.....sniff
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:33 PM
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65. Please clarify
what could be construed as an uninformed and idiotic statement of fantasy!

Jenn
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:29 PM
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78. Hippies generated dead soldiers? Are you a freeper or what?
eom
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:30 PM
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90. Peace is war. Those who fight for peace create war. (nt)
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:17 PM
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6. WEED!
Yes sir, they did a good job of weeding their vegetable gardens. Boy could those hippies weed!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:17 PM
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7. figured out how to make a grass pipe from a tobacco pipe
first you find some aluminum foil and a pin to punch holes in it.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:19 PM
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11. Or cut a small hole
in your parents screens. Thanks for the memory.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:10 PM
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55. Apples and Tampax here. nt
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:18 PM
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8. Nothing! The are all fat cat old folks now!
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No Mandate Here. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:20 PM
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16. Watch it, Bub. We might be your parents!
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:23 PM
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24. And I might be YOURS!!!!!!!!!
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No Mandate Here. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:27 PM
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29. That would make you as old as my mother, or nearly anyway!
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:31 PM
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33. Early seventies here.
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No Mandate Here. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:35 PM
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36. It would be biologically possible, as
I am 52, and was pleased to partake in the Pittsburgh 'hippie' scene from 1970 through '73, when it began to slow down.

One of the highlights was the parade we organized to celebrate the release of Live/Dead - right down Forbes Avenue in Oakland.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:44 PM
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43. Hi Mom!
I Loooooove the folks in my folk's generation who get all radical and stuff, you are my inspiration to never give up!

:hi:
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:45 PM
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44. Hi sweetie---You can run but you can't hide!!!!!!
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Democracy Died 2004 Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:30 PM
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31. wrong we didn't all sell out. n/t
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:05 PM
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85. Right On
Many of today's activists have kids who are also working to help the planet. Some may have sold out and some may have burned out, but don't discount the work many have done for social justice and peace. The world would be even worse without us.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:39 PM
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39. You might be surprised after saying something you don't know
what your talking about!!
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:35 PM
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66. I know you are
but what am I? :evilgrin: And, OH, by the way, I'm no cat :silly:

Jenn
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Coyul Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:18 PM
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9. HYDROPONICS!!!!!!!
Man...if it weren't for us the world would be potless....hell Canada might not even exist.

:evilgrin:

D
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Coyul Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:21 PM
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21. Oh and another thing....
...The kids today might have no sense of fairness, no knowledge of the horrors of war, or the stupidity of fascist organizations running our country....

Sorry that's more than one thing. But without the hippies, all of this would have happened 20 years ago.

Please thank us for allowing you to grow up remembering a free America...what say?

D
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:49 PM
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92. Best bud in the West
columbian....British Columbian.....smoke em if you have em!!
:hippie: :smoke:
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:18 PM
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10. For one thing, they were very anti-establishment, so
they did not care to have "normal" jobs, income or life-style. Thus, a lot of them lived communally; they pooled resources and were willing and able to devote time and energy to protesting the Vietnam War. They were very idealistic and were firmly so. Criticism of what they did only fueled their passion and commitment.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:19 PM
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12. my husband is an old hippie. Here's what they did WRONG:
I think it went something like "turn on, tune out". Lots of hippies just got stoned, drank a lot, followed the Grateful Dead around, and generally did as little as possible. Then they grew up and BECAME
the establishment. My hubby is 54 yrs old; I am going to be 49 next month.
I grew up just outside of DC in Maryland. One thing I would say that they did right was constant and huge protests, not only in DC, but all over. AND THE MEDIA CARRIED THE STORIES.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:21 PM
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18. The saying from Timothy Leary went
Tune in Turn on Tune out
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:28 PM
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30. No more than most youth
Drugs, sex and rock-n-roll is just repackaged wine, women and song.

And we got a lot right--civil rights, the war, women's rights, environment, rejection of material value as the basis of worth. Oh yeah, and Rock-N-Roll.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:23 PM
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61. I believe that's "drop out".....(n/t)
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:39 PM
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69. think its "drop out" but my hippie mind is gone.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:19 PM
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13. there is much to learn from their triumph's and their mistakes
;-)
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:19 PM
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14. The hippies were good people.
Not the dumb pot-smoking, tie-dyed stereotyped cliches you see today. Very intelligent, very well read, well meaning people.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:21 PM
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20. I knew an awful lot of the dumb pot smoking cliches
but it was what it was and it worked at least part of the time.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:23 PM
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25. But were they really hippies?
Or just grew their hair long, smoked pot, and wore bellbottoms?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:42 PM
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42. same thing
I don't remember any kind of hippie qualification standard.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:40 PM
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70. I do, Ches...
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:42 PM by laylah
If you bathed, shaved (women) and didn't do the "dirty but fun" with whomever, you were NOT a "hippie" by the '70's standards.

I lived on a commune in the Bible-belt of "Missoura" for about 6 months. They threw me off 'cuz I bathed (the other women bragged and compared their stiff arm hair :puke: ) AND I never was into the "free love" thing...hell, I wanted to be paid! (joke...JOKE)

Jenn

Edit: Gilda voice "Nevermind"
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:25 PM
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27. their were many who came for the "free love and drugs" cliche
oh and the music
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:10 PM
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56. 56 and still a hippie
V N changed us.
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:36 PM
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67. most still are. thanx Drweird.
wow. never thought i would see comments like this on DU.

must be time to "tune out".

should i donate this quarter or buy some "weed"?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:20 PM
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15. really though, it was a whole change of culture
and they were young. We aren't so young anymore and our kids don't seem as willing to put themselves out.... at least not yet.
When I start to see teach-ins I will know we are heading in the right direction.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:20 PM
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17. i think they discovered you can't change the world
but only change one's self.


thus said the man in the mirror.
dp

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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:39 PM
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38. I agree with you.
And they had patience for most of the changes to come around. Things that couldn't wait had to do with death and dying (the WAR) and education. Poverty wasn't a big issue as most lived together and shared expenses.

I think the time is coming again where we will share a living space with many others that are not our "blood" family. It may be the only way we can survive is to share expenses and keep working for the changes that must happen to save our democracy again.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:21 PM
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19. We did a lot wrong...
But the hippie philosophy still makes sense to me. Hippie is a broad term, though, and it could mean the spaced-out kids who were along for the ride to the responsible activists and visionaries.

Fads and drugs aside, I think being non-judgemental and accepting is a big part of the hippie thing and are qualities we could use more of. The same goes for the move away from consumerism and the phony culture that consumerism brings.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:22 PM
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22. They knew our society had to change from one that favored
one group at the expense of all the others and that the Vietnam war was immoral. They preached, peace, tolerance and an end to faux morality. Seems we are going backwards again.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:23 PM
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23. Free love, man.
thats the ticket.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:27 PM
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28. Let men carry a bag!
--IMM
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:31 PM
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32. They changed out country
from one where "the establishment" basically told you how to live your life 24/365, to one where adults were actually allowed to make their own choices. I miss the days when we were treated like adults.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:33 PM
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34. This is what I learned from my hippie parents
1) All you need is love. Love is all you need.

2) It is noble to speak out against an unjust war.

3) Conformity for the sake of conformity is for teeny tiny little minds.

4) Broaden your experiences and your knowledge.

5) Values such as understanding and tolerance can go a long way toward getting along in the world.

6) Be the change you wish to see in the world (Ok, so my parents borrowed that from Gandhi).

7) Be not attached to dogma. It is okay to manufacture one's own eclectic belief system.

8) Stay out of the box on the coffee table. It's for grownups.

9) It is not enough to care deeply and passionately. You must also DO SOMETHING.

10) Corporate America doesn't care if it makes products that can hurt or kill you. Beware the powers in Corporate America and their name brands of oppression.

11)Eat as much of your food in as close to its natural state as possible.

12) Live simply so that others may simply live.

13) Everyone deserves equality.

14) Republicans ruin everything they touch.

15) Celebrate, honor and respect the earth our mother, all of nature and her creations, preserve and protect them from #10 and #14.


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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:47 PM
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46. Thank you for the excellent post...
...you have wonderful parents who have passed the lessons of the 60's on to you.., :hi:





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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:49 PM
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48. Wow! Great post! I remember this: Question Authority
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:48 PM
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72. Question authority
has been MY mantra for 53 years! When my daughters, now 20 and 24, started jr. high (middle school these days), I bought them each, on their first day, a button for their backpacks that stated "Question Authority". However, with the younger one, I might have added another one that stated "with respect":silly: My older one, Sara, later bought a button, in her sophomore year, that stated "If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport". GAWD, I love my girls! I'm thinkin' they took after their Ma...I be proud :bounce:

Jenn
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:54 PM
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51. BRAVO !!!
Your parents :rock: !!!


:hippie:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:59 PM
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53. That sums up what I learned from my hippy parents too
great post :thumbsup:
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:37 PM
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68. thank you. thoughtful post.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:44 PM
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71. Teach Your Children Well..you have excellent parents! thank them for me?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:26 PM
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77. Can you convince your folks to run for Congress? n/t
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:34 PM
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91. Nope. But I might someday.
Never say never. ;)
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:53 PM
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81. Damn! I'm a hippy and didn't even know it!
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:57 PM
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82. This is the winning answer. Well said.
I tire of the dissing of hippies and the other dissidents of the establishment of the 60s. The idea that they were all about drugs is a re-writing of history begun by the right-wing---the very people who are now in charge. I tell you, I was a young teenager during the height of "hippy" and I can hardly believe how we've regressed.:eyes:
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:55 PM
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93. Thanks again for bringing me to this post
Love your list...no.8 is right on!! My parents always said that when the bedroom door is closed....find something else to do...thats where they kept their little box.....sure is nice when you can share with your parents, your little box...if thats what you like...Peace Out!!
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Mabel Dodge Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:33 PM
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35. Thank God the 60's happened.....
because the 50's were terrible. It was a reaction to the previous generation who were up-tight, paranoid, racist, sexist, sexually repressed....Oh my God, the 50's are backkkkkkkkk!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:25 PM
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63. Maybe we have the 60s revisited to
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:25 PM by babylonsister
look forward to. I pray it's not at the expense of a similar body count as VN.
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:00 PM
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84. I so agree with your post.
The 50s were horrible for all the reasons you mentioned, and now it has come back to haunt us!

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:39 PM
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37. There was a generation, united by common experience....
We were the first TV generation. When you got to college (us lucky ones) there were already a lot of shared experiences. You didn't have to explain your taste in music, or what you were doing when Ed Sullivan hosted the Beatles. In a lot of ways you already had more in common with your peers than you did with your folks (who made a REALLY BIG DEAL about hair long enough to graze your collar).

You knew that if you weren't in college, your ass could be shot off. THAT was a very unifying knowledge, I'll tell you. We communicated through the FM dial (our exclusive terrain) and shared "consciousness raising"...natural AND enhanced.

If you had occasion to travel from school to school visiting, plans were not necessary, neither was money, mostly. You could throw a sleeping bag down just about anywhere without concern.

The lingua franca today is IM (instant messaging).....This is the domain of the kids and if you're above a certain age, looking over the shoulder isn't going to give you a clue what they're talking about. If you want to engage them, you have to go where they are, in gaming forums etc.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:41 PM
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40. We created a culture that made peace and humanity a priority
Look at the lyrics from a number of the songs from that era that spoke of fondly of brotherhood, peace, freedom, sharing, and hope. There is no equivalent period in history that I can think of where popular culture actually promoted the idea that you should build a better society. I ran around with a sense that it was my responsibility to treat people with respect and to share what I had with those that were in need, even though I had nothing to share.

There was a feeling in the air that we were battling great social injustices like racism, war, and grotesque hypocrisy. I believed that we were marching toward a more just world, and that the future would be a brighter place in the sense that we would be a more intelligent society that actually practiced the promise of democracy.

It was illusory. We were inspired by the memes of the day to be better people, but in the end, we were no different than our parents, and ended up pursuing self interest. The rest of the stuff got left behind with the bongs, roach clips, and strobe lights.

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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:49 PM
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49. if all the hippies cut their hair
well i dont care-jimi
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:13 PM
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58. He ain't heavy, he's my brother - Graham Nash
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:42 PM
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41. We were always outspoken and not afraid
to embarrass or drive our parents (and anyone over 30 y.o.) nuts.

It was really a youth movement in the late 60s to early 70s. To listen to the power brokers, "Rock and Roll" is devil music ... so we'd play it louder.

I miss those daze. <eg>
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:46 PM
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45. They were not enslaved by credit cards. n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:49 PM
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47. We took over Vermont
Laugh if you want, but it's true. Small state, lots of ex-hippies and neo-hippies went into politics. Now we have an active progressive party and a very liberal dem party that controls the state.
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juliagoolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:58 PM
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52. The involved the musicians like Eminem and others
They involved the culture, and made it "cool" to be anti-war.

They took the the streets in mass.. over and over and over and over again.

They plastered peace signs everywhere, on key chains on clothing, on cars, on everything. They were not fighting the same media we are either.

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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:04 PM
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54. What gave hippies power was sheer numbers.
And a refusal to acknowledge authority which I still maintain to this very day.

:D
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:11 PM
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57. My suggestion would be to google SDS & Tom Hayden...
and read the Port Huron Statement. The parallels between then and now are large, what we are missing is the movement and its application. IMO, "Hippies" evolved post WWII vis a vis Kerouac, Ginsberg, Kesey, Dylan and sociological events of the times.

Are we not full circle, yet?

"The Revolution Starts Now."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0810-15.htm

Democracy is hard work. American democracy requires constant vigilance to survive and nothing short of total engagement to flourish. Voting is vital, but in times like these voting alone simply isn’t enough. By the time some of you hear these songs the election will be over. Then the real struggle begins.

When the dust clears and the votes are all counted (we’re watchin’ YOU, Jeb) it will be up to all of us—Democrats, Republicans, Greens, and independents alike—to hold whomever is left standing accountable for their actions on our behalf every single day that they are in power. The day after the election, regardless of the outcome, the war will go on, outsourcing of our jobs will continue, and over a third of our citizens will have no health care coverage whatsoever.

Like I said, it’s hard work and there’s so much to be done. And there always will be.

The Constitution of The United States of America is a REVOLUTIONARY document in every sense of the word. It was designed to evolve, to live, and to breathe like the people that it governs. It is, ingeniously, and perhaps conversely, resilient enough to change with the times in order to meet the challenges of its third century and rigid enough to preserve the ideals that inspired its original articles and amendments. As long as we are willing to put in the work required to defend and nurture this remarkable invention of our forefathers, then I believe with all my heart that it will continue to thrive for generations to come. Without our active participation, however, the future is far from certain. For without the lifeblood of the human spirit even the greatest documents produced by humankind are only words on paper or parchment, destined to yellow and crack and eventually crumble to dust.

Yours for the motherfuckin’ revolution,

Steve Earle
Fairview, Tennessee
May 2004

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:17 PM
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59. The Way of the Hippy.....
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:23 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
…maybe it’s the time of year. Yes, and maybe it’s the time of man.
And I don’t know who I am. But life is for learning.
Joni Mitchell/CS&N (Woodstock) 1970

What’s a hippie? What’s the difference between an old hippie and a new hippie? Once a hippie, always a hippie? These and similar questions are the source of much debate today. New subcategories like web-hippies, cyber-hippies, even zippies have become fashionable. But what is a hippie and are you one?
To answer this question, let’s see what defines a hippie. Some say it’s the way people dress, and behave, a lifestyle. Others classify drug users and rock 'n' roll fans or those with certain radical political views as hippies. The dictionary defines a hippie as one who doesn’t conform to society’s standards and advocates a liberal attitude and lifestyle. Can all these definitions be right?

It seems to me that these definitions miss the point. By focusing on the most visible behavioral traits these limited descriptions fail to reveal what lies in the hippie heart that motivates such behavior. To understand The Way of the Hippy, we must look at those circumstances that preceded the birth of the hippy movement, the important events that changed our lives, our resulting frustration with society, and the philosophy that developed from our spiritual maturation.

Hippy is an establishment label for a profound, invisible, underground, evolutionary process. For every visible hippy, barefoot, beflowered, beaded, there are a thousand invisible members of the turned-on underground. Persons whose lives are tuned in to their inner vision, who are dropping out of the TV comedy of American Life.
Timothy Leary (The Politics of Ecstasy) 1967

My view is that being a hippie is a matter of accepting a universal belief system that transcends the social, political, and moral norms of any established structure, be it a class, church, or government. Each of these powerful institutions has it’s own agenda for controlling, even enslaving people. Each has to defend itself when threatened by real or imagined enemies. So we see though history a parade of endless conflicts with country vs. country, religion vs. religion, class vs. class. After millennia of war and strife, in which uncounted millions have suffered, we have yet to rise above our petty differences.

The way of the hippie is antithetical to all repressive hierarchical power structures since these are adverse to the hippie goals of peace, love and freedom. This is why the “Establishment” feared and suppressed the hippie movement of the ’60s, as it was a revolution against the established order. It is also the reason why the hippies were unable to unite and overthrow the system since they refused to build their own power base. Hippies don’t impose their beliefs on others. Instead, hippies seek to change the world through reason and by living what they believe.

Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man. Imagine all the people sharing all the world.
John Lennon (Imagine)

To be a hippie you must believe in peace as the way to resolve differences among peoples, ideologies and religions. The way to peace is through love and tolerance. Loving means accepting others as they are, giving them freedom to express themselves and not judging them based on appearances. This is the core of the hippie philosophy.

…see the whole thing is a world full of rucksack wanderers, Dharma Bums refusing to subscribe to the general demand that they consume production and therefore have to work for the privilege of consuming, all that crap they didn’t really want anyway such as refrigerators, TV sets, cars, …all of them imprisoned in a system of work, produce, consume, work, produce, consume, I see a vision of a great rucksack revolution thousands or even millions of young Americans wandering around with rucksacks, going up to mountains to pray, making children laugh and old men glad, making young girls happy and old girls happier, all of ‘em Zen Lunatics who go about writing poems that happen to appear in their heads for no reason and also by being kind and also by strange unexpected acts keep giving visions of eternal freedom to everybody and to all living creatures.
Jack Kerouac (The Dharma Bums) 1958

The hippy movement erected signposts for all to see. Some warn us of impending danger, others direct us towards richer, more fulfilling lives, but most show us the road to freedom. Freedom is the paramount virtue in this system. Freedom to do as one pleases, go where the flow takes you, and to be open to new experiences. This engenders an attitude that allows for maximum personal growth.

If you want to be free, be free, because there’s a million things to be.
Cat Stevens (If You Want to Sing Out)

Our society only permits you one or two weeks a year of freedom to pursue your own agenda. The rest of the time we are slaves to the system. Hippies reject the 9 to 5 lifestyle and therefore are objects of ridicule by those whose lives run by the clock. Programmed people are jealous and resent the freedom we possess. The unmitigated freedom that hippies represent is the greatest threat to any system in which control equals power.

I like ideas about the breaking away or overthrowing of established order. I am interested in anything about revolt, disorder, chaos, especially activity that seems to have no meaning. It seems to me to be the road towards freedom - external freedom is a way to bring about internal freedom.
Jim Morrison

With all this freedom comes a lot of responsibility. The system does not make it easy for us to survive without sacrificing our values. Therefore we must discover alternative ways to make a living without being a drag on our planet’s resources and our fellow humans. Hippies have pioneered numerous lifestyles and alternative businesses including communes, cooperatives, holistic medicine and health food. We focused everyone’s concern on the environment to highlight our responsibilities to our planet and to future generations.

I’ve been smiling lately, dreaming about the world as one.
And I believe it could be, someday it’s going to come.
Cat Stevens (Peace Train)

Other beliefs that spring from our core philosophy are: an earthy spirituality such as a belief in Gaia (the earth as an organism), the Greens movement (political activism), even shamanism and vegetarianism. These philosophical and political views reflect a respect for nature and the planet as a whole, something lacking in our capitalistic and materialistic societies. The world needs hippies to point out alternatives to the entrenched system and warn of the impending disasters that await us if we don’t change our lifestyles. The goal is not to make everyone a hippie (what would we have to protest?). Rather we can try to influence others by example, through tolerance and love and teaching the virtues of the hippie way.

You create your own reality.
Seth (Seth Speaks)

So being a hippie is not a matter of dress, behavior, economic status, or social milieu. It is a philosophical approach to life that emphasizes freedom, peace, love and a respect for others and the earth. The way of the hippie never died. There have always been hippies from the first time society laid down rules, to Jesus, to Henry David Thoreau, to John Lennon, to you and me. I believe there’s a little hippy in all of us. It’s just been repressed by our socialization process. We need to find it and cultivate our hippie within. Only then can we reach our true potential.

I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken)

As hippies age they come to terms with the same situations all humans must face. Wiser than before, let’s help the younger hippies find a way to save the earth and achieve more freedom than exists in our wildest dreams. Let’s find our common ground, build a worldwide community, and once again let our freak flags fly and become all we are destined to be.

The Summer of Peace and Love
The Woodstock Festival at which 400,000 young people gathered in a spirit of love and sharing, represents the pinnacle of the hippie movement


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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:20 PM
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60. I wish I had a dime for every time a stoned "hippie" told me,
"I'm not into politics, man."
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:30 PM
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64. We put daisies
in gun barrels. We burnt the bra (one of my faves :evilgrin:). We taught our children right from wrong. We taught each other tolerance. Need I continue? :hug:

Jenn
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gratefull4u Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:56 PM
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73. I was not a hippie but a flower child, remember them?
I don't think I considered myself a hippie because I preached you could get a spiritual high to all my hippie friends. I never took drugs or smoked pot or had a drink. It is many years since I was in college and I still do not wear name brands, use central heat or air conditioning.I'll admit I am lucky to live in an area where the weather is not extreme and I do have a little space heater for real bad days. I will not landscape my yard, kill anything, even a bug, and still have a hard time with anyone who is too materialistic. I raised my daughter to respect life and hate republicans, unfortunately she met someone and did not find out until she was engaged that he is from a republican family.They call us hippies behind our back as if it is a insult. My husband is a lot like me, we have been together since I was 13 & he, 15 and that was 1965, married in 71 & honestly, never one serious fight. What is ironic, the little place we bought to be in a natural environment is being built up all around us, They keep offering us more & more money and can't understand why we will not sell. The moral of my story is (I think) is that money is not the answer to anything that will make you happy, but the life around you. If you really learned this lesson from the 60's you have had a happy life. I am unhappy now that I see the country and a majority of the people claim to be spiritual and they are so far away from being spiritual it makes me ill. Big business, hate and destruction is not a good thing to me.
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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:58 PM
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74. My mother was/is what you'd call a "hippie"
And she taught me that it's *ok* not think like the mainstream. She was a hard core civil rights activist in the early sixties and worked for NOW in the 70's and 80's. She taught me to always, always stick up for the underdog.

Oh yeah and she gave me excellent taste in music/literature :)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:20 PM
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76. 75 MILLION youngsters came of age and we marched for change!....
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:50 PM
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80. Challenge the status quo n/t
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sal Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:57 PM
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83. Hippies know the most important thing is freedom.
Next to love. We should be free to think and say and love who we want. Free to pray to Whomever we want. Smoke and eat and drink what we want. Read and criticise and debate what we want. Work where we want. We are free to expect our communities to protect our environment. We are free to promote science and learning. We are free to expect to be safe from harm. Our bodies are free. Our minds are free. We are free to be black or any color. We are free to be freaky and different. We celebrate diversity. We are free to be at peace. We are free to raise our children.

We aren't hurting anybody.

While one man is a slave none of us our free.

Democracy = Freedom

The Democrats should be the "Freedom Party." This should be our theme to lead the nation. We need more freedom. We owe this in part to Hippies, and those others who believe this in the past, present and future.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:22 PM
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86. SIT DOWNS
WE need to do some! PRONTO!
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:28 PM
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89. Peace, love, tolerance,
and if I was a betting man I would bet that we "hippies" are very successful at a lot of things such as good parents, good and fair business owners, active in our communities, firefighters, police men, just all around good people... does this help
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 03:12 PM
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94. Hippie-
A person who opposes and rejects many of the conventional standards and customs of society, especially one who advocates extreme liberalism in sociopolitical attitudes and lifestyles.

Thats what it is in the dictionary.

Flower child-

A hippie, especially one advocating universal peace and love as antidotes to social or political ills.

:hippie:

http://www.hippieshop.com/
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