Bill to Screen, Medicate Kids May Hit Senate This Week

[Scooter24]

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1234

Legislation to test children for "mental health disorders" and then provide them commercial drugs -- which would be highly controversial if people knew about it -- could reach Congress during this month's lame duck session.
Nov 15 - Funding for a controversial Bush administration plan to submit the nation's school children to mental health testing and drug treatment may end up reaching the Senate floor this week, as GOP congressional leaders look to clear the legislative slate in order to set the table for George W. Bush's second term.

The plan, called the New Freedom Initiative (NFI), is the keystone of a package of initiatives by the President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, a group of doctors and mental health care professionals established by the Bush Administration in 2002.

As previously reported by The NewStandard, the Initiative’s critics, ranging from grassroots mental health advocacy organizations to government whistleblowers, have said the NFI's proposals do little else but establish state-mandated markets for the psychiatric pharmaceutical industry.

In 2003, the Commission published a report recommending states encourage more mental health testing and treatment for Americans and suggested public schools were an ideal place to access students and begin to root out undiagnosed and "severely disruptive" mental health issues. It pointed to a program begun during George Bush's governorship of Texas called the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), which set a standard operating procedure within a flow chart allowing psychiatrists to identify and medicate possible conditions.
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The House version of the bill, which has already passed, includes $20 million in support of the New Freedom Commission’s plan. It is unclear how much the Senate will appropriate.
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I can't believe that the House has passed this bill already. I don't recall hearing one news station pick up on it. We are one vote away from this becoming law.

[MuseRider]

1. Just who is going to pay

for these drugs? Is someone in the school going to administer them? So they really think they can make parents pay for and dose their children with the drugs the guvmint says they need? I guess I do not really understand how they are going to make this work. Bad idea, very very bad idea.

[Melodybe]

15. Keep this Kicked call your Senators

1 800 839 5276

[Bozita]

2. Alternate headline: Big pharma to get big payback on investment

I just can't picture any kind of compassion from Bushco for anyone's mental health.

[gumby]

3. "New Freedom Initiative "

These guys sure have a way with words, don't they?

Add this to ending abortion and it starts to add up to the Big Government controlling the population in ever more intimate and profound ways.

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

48. New Freedome Initiative

They won't end abortion. Pharma and researchers use too many of the aborted babies for drugs and profit.
It is not just for stem cell research.
If you dont like it you have to avoid those drugs which goes against the grain of most people because they believe in these drugs heavily.

I dont know what all they use the aborted babies for but I know there are several drugs that uses these aborted fetal cells.

[OneBlueSky]

4. THIS MUST BE STOPPED!!! . . .

educate yourself by reading the following threads . . . it's important! . . .

MUST READ: Plan to screen whole population for mental illness . . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1813285

Bush Wants To Be Your Shrink
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2185460

Bush seems to have a new program for controlling the population
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2209463

All Americans to be screened for mental illness
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2238503

Is mandatory mental health testing the beginning of the end?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2413903

[halobeam]

11. There are so many threads about this ....not complaining here

I just can't seem to find specific info ....

1. The name of the "bill" (if that's what it is) that the senators are voting on for this..

2. The bill itself.

I read the entire plan, but not the bill itself. I can't find the specifics like:

has the language "with parental consent only" been added to it?

if not, and the parent's decline the test, what steps are taken by the doctor, school, etc.

can our own primary care physician do this or do we have to be examined by their doctors?

if the kids are tested and the parents decline medicinal treatment, then what?

[George_S]

5. Eugenicits would love this!

Oh, wait, maybe they do.

[chicagiana]

6. This will piss off middle Americans ...

This is a pretty stupid bill. It's no wonder they've done this AFTER the election since it will alienate middle Americans with the Big Brother type mental health screening.

It is EXTRAORDINARILY hypocritical for "small government" advocates to put Federal Mental Police in all our public schools and forcefully medicate children without the input of their parents!!!!

Something deep down tells me that kids that show "homosexual tendencies" will be first on the list for medication. Kids that also show independent streaks as free-thinkers are also likely to get pills that will allow them to "go with the flow" and midlessly obey.

Don't get me wrong. I think kids DO need to learn how to act correctly in formal settings like school. We should be constraining their bodies and acts. But at the same time, we should be FREEING their mind!!! Too many administrators and school boards have it the other way around!!!!

[BeHereNow]

7. Drug the War Mongering Fundie Bush Supporters!

They are CLEARLY mentally ill!
Start with them!

Seriously, this is outrageous.
The UK has BANNED the use of neuroleptic and psychotropic
drugs in their population under eighteen years of age.
Why? For the NOW proven links between those drugs
and self-mutilation, suicide and homocide, not to mention
the other side effect of liver damage, cervical cancers
and other rather NASTY results.
Only dumb ass Americans drug their children blindly.
No other country on the planet even comes close
to the number of drugged children. Drugged,
uneducated, illiterate, obsese disgusting children
who grow up to be as ignorant and arrogant as
the dumb asses who gave them life.
The same dumb asses who send their children to die
in an illegal and immoral war waged by the most EVIL
people to ever blight the face of the planet.
rant off-
BHN

[City Lights]

8. How do they plan on forcing me to have my kids screened?

And how do they plan on forcing me to drug my kids if my kids "qualify" for drugging based on the screening?

The thought of this even being proposed has me :scared:.

[BeHereNow]

10. Since this in NO way is designed to help kids

don't worry.
The whole thing is payback to the pharma-cartel
for their support of the mad monkey cowboy king.
There are plenty of idiot parents who will go along
with it, indeed be grateful that their children are
being sacrificed as lab rats and profit$ for the eugenic
cartel. There are enough parents who are that ignorant
in this country, so they will serve their children for the
prescription drug- slaughter- machine, thus you will
probably not need to hide your child.
Now the draft, that is another matter.
bhn

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

16. Forcing

They can just say you can't get the medical care you seek or decline your children public school education. Don't think they can not do that? Well not now but in the future they may.
They already give parents w/ ADHD huge problems and lots of threats if they dont comply. They force you to inject formaldehyde, mercury, viruses, a component of anti-freeze, alluminum, various types of animal serums, aborted human fetal cells and much more in children. How do they do this.They say you have to have this to enter school. These are called vaccinations. They have successfully mandated that and done very well. It will take awhile for them to get the mental health exams mandated most likely and as people get used to the idea they will be easier to mandate.

Of course 48 states have non-medical exemptions to enter school w/out vaccinations. This is an issue that is controversial.
Before you say vaccines should be mandated, read the websites and try to understand the other point of view. Please do not call parents who dont vaccinate irresponsible cause most of them have done lots of research and feel they are wrong for thier family.


Here are some websites you may want to look into regarding them.
http://www.vacinfo.org
http://www.access1.net/via/
http://www.vaccinationnews.com
http://www.vaccineinfo.net
http://www.vaclib.org
http://www.thinktwice.com

[City Lights]

20. I've given this issue a lot of thought today and read the article again.

I can see them forcing my kids to be screened as part of the requirement to attend public school just like they force them to be vaccinated.

However, I never made any comments on vaccinations, nor passed judgment on parents who don't believe in vaccinating their children, so before telling me to read this or that to understand the other point of view, how about trying to find out my point of view, m'kay?

"Before you say vaccines should be mandated, read the websites and try to understand the other point of view. Please do not call parents who dont vaccinate irresponsible cause most of them have done lots of research and feel they are wrong for thier family."

Oh, and BTW, welcome to DU. :-)

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

24. No Surrender, I am sorry

No surrender, I am sorry if you mistook my message. I know you did not say anything about vaccines. I know you did not say anything judgemental nor did anyone else. I was just saying that so others would not judge parents without looking at the issue. Honestly, I dont know you well enough to know how you feel regarding this subject.

The thing is, people opposed mandatory vaccines with a passion long ago. They now oppose mandatory mental health screening, generally. They will likely loosen up over time and this could be mandatory and people could easily accept this in 5 or 10 yrs even. Time will tell.

I pray that this doesnt happen and this doesnt become mandatory but I suspect it will. I pray often that the vaccine mandates get overturned as well. This screening ranks the same as vaccine mandates to me. It is like forced medicine so to speak. If you dont measure up to whoevers standards of what is normal or are just the type to think outside the box and mess things up you could possibly be forced to be put on mild altering drugs.

NoSurrender, you seem like a decent person considering how little I know about you. I am hoping that others see the possibility that the screenings could become mandatory for school entry even if it never happens.

For all that read this, I wish them all a happy and healthy Holiday season.

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

28. No Surrender,

I said some of that stuff about not judging others to offset any future rude comments. Believe me, If I dont say things right off the bat I usually get at least 2 or 3 comments how I dont deserve to have my kids because I wont vaccinate them. I still may get some responses like that but that is ok. I just want others to know where I am coming from before they make some very rude comments.
It really does happen even if you would not do such a thing.
After people read the material they almost never say such things.

Sorry if I came off sounding rude. It certainly was not my intention.
Sometimes things come off sounding bad when you can not see facial expressions and hear tone of voice.

[City Lights]

30. Apology accepted, NikolaTeslaRocks.

:-)

I share your concern about mandatory screening and all it entails. The thought of the government deciding who passes and who fails their arbitrary standard chills me to the bone.

Peace to you and your family this Holiday season.

[idiosyncratic]

9. "New Freedom," "Healthy Forests," "Clear Skies"

Sheesh! These people use such amazing language to hide the most awful of policies!

[Melodybe]

12. Keep this kicked

[OnionPatch]

34. Yes, and the name of this one

is particularly disturbing when you know that every name is the opposite of what it really is.

[doni_georgia]

13. As a public school teacher I'm for them drugging the TEACHERS!

After the day I just had, I need some Valium - Prozac - Klonipin - SOMETHING! Hell either that or a tranquilizer dart gun (may shoot the kids, may shoot myself - who knows). Seriously, we are seeing a lot of serious mental disturbances in school. Instead of medicating these kids why doesn't SOMEONE - ANYONE ask what the hell is causing all of this! I have my own theories, but seriously it is a question that needs to be answered. I have kids in my 4th grade class threatening suicide, performing self-mutilation, doing sexually inappropriate acts, etc. Over half of my students are already on drugs for ADHD. It's getting ridiculous.

[Melodybe]

14. If I have to type the same thing over and over I will, Keep this kicked

please as a mother of two, I beg of you call your senators and do something about this.

Capital Hill Switch Board
1 800 839 5276

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

17. What are your theories?

[Melodybe]

18. 1984 meets THX 1138

[Pikku]

19. doni_georgia, You may get your wish.

If the law is the same as the one I read a few weeks ago, it also stipulates that school personnel are to be screened, too.

As a teacher, I plan to refuse both to allow myself to be "screened" and to cooperate in attempts to "screen" my students.

This is a civil disobedience matter if there ever was one.

[doni_georgia]

53. I fully plan on excerising my civil disobedience!

Medicating these kids is not the answer! The worst behaved children in my class are the ones on medication, because they believe they can't help it. They believe that they have NO control over their behavior, and their parents believe it too.

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

27. Doni Georgia, What are your theories about why the kids are messed up?

After the day I just had, I need some Valium - Prozac - Klonipin - SOMETHING! Hell either that or a tranquilizer dart gun (may shoot the kids, may shoot myself - who knows). Seriously, we are seeing a lot of serious mental disturbances in school. Instead of medicating these kids why doesn't SOMEONE - ANYONE ask what the hell is causing all of this! I have my own theories, but seriously it is a question that needs to be answered. I have kids in my 4th grade class threatening suicide, performing self-mutilation, doing sexually inappropriate acts, etc. Over half of my students are already on drugs for ADHD. It's getting ridiculous.



I have a few theories of my own as well. I also think they are trying to dumb down our kids as well. Dumbed down populations can not resist the government taking away our rights. I fear for our future generation if something is not done soon. I appreciate a teachers outlook on these things. I know of a teacher that blames many of the problems now on vaccines. Of course she has retired and has a severely autistic grandchild that has mercury poisoning.
Plus the fact that parents dont have the time to spend with thier kids like they used to. This is just part of the problem I am sure.

[doni_georgia]

52. I believe it is a combination of things

First, we know from brain research that certain colors and designs stimulate babies brains. This research came out in the 80s and lots of yuppie parents went to decorating their nurseries in primary colors instead of the traditional pastels. Well, if decorating a nursery in certain colors and shapes can stimulate the brains of infants - making them more aware, what does sitting very small kids in front of the TV with multicolor images flashing by them do to their brains? There is a whole television industry out their geared toward toddlers and some shows geared toward babies (Telletubbies). Many parents sit their babies in front the TV in their little infant seats and there they stay throughout childhood. Their brains are constantly bombarded with changing images. I believe this contributes significantly to ADHD, as the children grow more and more accoustomed to changing stimuli and grow to need it.

Secondly, I think our chemical laden diets are not helping the situation either. We strip foods of their natural nutrients, add sugar, process, add chemicals, and then add the nutrients back in. Brain chemistry is a funny thing. My son was diagnosed as severly autistic at the age of 3. I read everything I could get my hands on about autism, and decided to put him on a gluten-free casein-free diet. Within two weeks my son was talking in complete sentences, was potty trained, and was acting more like a normal child. He now has been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrom - which is on the autism spectrum, but is very mild compared to his original diagnosis. I have noticed with him that when I cut out additives, preservatives, and sugars, his behavior improves even more. When he is out of school and I am able to control everything he eats, he functions like a typical child!

Finally, I wonder what role vaccinating infants plays in changing their brain chemistry. I believe that my son's autism was caused by the mercury in his MMR vaccine. I can't prove it, but I had a completely normal baby and toddler until his second birthday when he was given his MMR vaccine. We are now vaccinating children earlier and earlier (some doctors vaccinate new borns before their leave the hospital). The FDA recently called for mercury to be removed from all vaccines given to children (it has been except the flu vaccine still contains mercury). I wonder if we will see a difference in kids?

I believe the issue is complex. Part of the problem is also that many parents don't take the time to teach their children proper behaviors any more. These kids aren't taught to sit still and be quiet. We live in an "I can't help it" society where everyone blames someone or something for their behavior - whether it's blaming McDonalds for their obsity or the tobacco companies for their choosing to smoke. Sitting still in a classroom, walking in a line, paying attention - these are all skills that are taught. As are contolling impulses. Children naturally have NO impulse control - they have to be taught consequences for actions, but if parents say, "well, Johnny is ADHD, he can't help it," they will never learn this very important life skill.

In the classroom we are being told to teach to every child. Add kinesthetic activities for those active kids. Don't make them sit in rows, let them sit in groups. HELLO! rows were there for a reason - to help kids pay attention! When kids are facing each other instead of the teacher, they are going to pay attention to their peers not the instruction. When you have 15 activities going on in a classroom, kids - even normal kids - will be distracted! If you want kids to pay attention and learn, you have to create an environment conducive to that outcome. And you have to TEACH the children expected behaviors - no excuses for anyone. I'm old fashioned in this respect and I hold with bahviorism. Behaviors have to be taught, and you have to condition the children to respond appropriately. Kids aren't little adults.

[DemExpat]

55. I agree with your first three points of tv, diet, vaccinations....

but while I do see what you mean about having rows in a classroom for attention instead of a circle and conditioning kids to behave, I have a different view of why kids seem to be so restless and psychologically unstable.

And I also think that there are more and complex causes - kids reacting to all of the general anxiety in society, for one....:-(

I believe that nowadays children do not have the healthy, unstrucutured out-door play opportunities to release their energies, and all of that pent-up energy affects the nervous system - especially in the classroom.

If I see how children's lives are structured now - I see babies and kids bundled into car seats for transportation instead of walking and cycling, I see less room in urban areas for play, less time spent in a school day in outdoor recess, games, sport, and far too much sitting in front of televisions, computers, and electronic games/music.....

I believe that this has a huge impact on children's mental health.

My children attented a public elementary school where the teachers were fantastic - caring, excited about teaching and children learning, and with zero tolerance for anti-social behavior like bullying. My kids felt safe there and eager to learn, the classrooms were relaxed and positive, and the children were treated with care and respect.
It took me quite some shopping around to find such a school, but it was absolutely worth it.

Just my 2 cents on this frightening and growing problem!

:hi:

DemEx

[doni_georgia]

56. I agree about the unstructured play

Kids don't PLAY anymore. They don't seem to know how to just go outside and have fun. Parents are so concerned with keeping their kids out of trouble, and many are so paranoid about their kids being snatched that they won't even let their kids go outside. In schools, we are being pressured more and more to eliminate recess. We are limited to a maximum of 15 minutes a day at my school, and we are encouraged to be drilling them on multiplication facts as they walk to and from the playground. It's ridiculous. Most of my students are at school until late in the afternoon (after school program), from there they go to little league, Scouts, gymnastics, etc. They get home, do their homework, and go to bed. These kids never have a minute to just be kids!

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

61. "I believe it is a combination of things"

I do to. I dont have a vaccine damaged child as far as I can tell.
I still agree with most if not all of what you have to say.
I think the foods we eat have effected our children in a big way and we dont even realize it. Routy kids sometimes have food dyes removed from their diet and that helps a lot as well. These food dyes are not so savory sounding if you look into how they are made. FD&C yellow number 5 is even in pickles and is related to behavour problems as are other food dyes.

SOme kids have diary issues and their behavour changes when these substances are removed.
Another thing that I have noticed is a HUGE increase in athsma and food allergies ( mainly peanut allergies ). When I was growing up athsma was rare and I never heard of peanut allegies until I was grown. I want to know what is causeing all these problems. I have suspicions. I dont think it is just one thing.

Parents dont always train their children up right. They are just so busy nowadays. I suspect some feel guilty for getting on to them because they are away from them so much.

I look at the public school system as a tool to educate your children. If it is not working it is the parents responsibility to find out what is wrong and talk with the teachers etc. and figure out decent solutions. If the system is not working at all they should look into other options. I know that some kids do not function well in a public school setting at all.

If you would like to know someone that has a vaccine damaged kid and would like to talk with them to find out what has helped them just let me know/

[doni_georgia]

63. Thanks

I belong to a support group of parents of kids with autism and Asperger's syndrome. Some of the parents don't believe there is a connection to the MMR vaccine and they don't modify their kids' diets. Most of these kids are on meds (Depakote, anti-depressants, etc.). I have seen the turn around of my son with dietary changes, and so I know that works. I'm always trying new things with him. I have him on mineral supplements and digestive enzymes right now and they seem to have a real calming effect on him and allow him to tolerate foods he doesn't tolerate otherwise.

[doni_georgia]

54. Dumbing down the kids and the population

You are right about this as well. As more and more teachers are "teaching to the test" (thank you NCLB), thinking is being thrown completely out of the curriculum. You don't need to think. You just need to memorize what's going to be tested! The Bushinistas can't surive with a population of people who can think and who can reason. If people were logical and reasonable Bush wouldn't have been reelected. Fear tactics do not work on reasonable people.

[juajen]

21. Pandora's Box

:kick: :kick:

[Q]

22. They will NOT do this to my daughter...

...they'll have to arrest my ass before I allow them to push drugs on my kid without my approval or permission. If she needs help...I'll get it for her. If she needs any kind of drugs...that's between me, my doctor and my daughter.

- I will not participate with this scheme to enrich more Friends of Bush*.

[murray hill farm]

23. But,but,but,but

if it passes the senate and the pres signs it...it will be the law..the law...and it will be illegal to refuse. people keep saying to me about my concern for this.."well, they cant do that"...every thing needs parent consent..all meds given to children, etc..to try to force this is against the law....and all that...well this is how a bill becomes LAW..and if this bill passes..then it will be the law and your children will be tested..and medicated...and what are you going to do about it...refuse and break the law? Are you ready to have your children taken from you? Are you ready to give up your job as a teacher or school nurse or administrator because you choose to disobey the law..commit a crime? Folks say to me this will not happen...we will wait and see..impossible to enforce, etc. And this is how it happens...ask a German who is old enough to remember.

[OnionPatch]

37. If this even looks like it has a chance

My family and I will be expats along with you.

[DELUSIONAL]

50. "ask a German who is old enough to remember"

My elderly German neighbor left Germany --fled by a round about route to the US -- they could see the writing on the wall. Eventually the wife got a job as a Harvard Professor. Yes they were the well educated Germans and could see the writing on the wall -- most Germans didn't realize what was coming -- until their world came apart.

We are like Cassandras -- we can see what is coming -- and few will listen.

I tried to explain to a clerk why I did not want to turn over my SS# for a trivial purchase -- he had no comprehension of anything I was saying. I realized that I must have sounded like a raving idiot -- and likely a target in a few years for the Government drugging program.

As it is most people are being drugged by the propaganda TV.

We can see what is coming -- but if we try to warn people about what is really happening we are treated like nut cases.

[John_Shadows_1]

25. OK, betas, time to take your soma....

..... training them for a lifetime of conformity and dependence.

[Carolab]

26. OH NO!

This is just a way to get kids committed to those "faith-based" Christian gulag abuse centers that friends of BushCO operate TAX FREE in Texas and Florida already. They are BRAINWASHING children!

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

29. Illinois

In Illinois the mandatory mental health screening is in place. If it goes over well and after the kinks are worked out you can bet the rest of the nation is next. This is serious and a real concern.

[City Lights]

32. Tell me more, NikolaTeslaRocks.

What do you know about Illinois, and do you have links? I'm from IL, and the rest of my family still lives there. My sister and I discussed this today, and she is also very concerned.

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

40. Illinois

Hi No Surrender,

I know that if you contact Ingri Cassel at the vaclib site or look over her site it is probably there. I will get some links for you on this matter. They may not be the best ones but may still offer some help.

Here are a few sites that I have briefly read and maybe they will be of some help. This was a general search.

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=18982

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Illinois+Mental+Health+Mandates&csz=&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t-174&cop=mss&tab=&toggle=1

http://www.whittedclearylaw.com/FSL5CS/Custom/TOCPublications.asp

Here is the one that may be the best. If you need more you can contact Don or Ingri. THey could give you updates if you call or e-mail them. I am sure each site will have something to offer.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20040803.htm

I would do more but I gotta do some laundry. It never ends, sigh.

[City Lights]

42. Thanks, NikolaTeslaRocks.

:yourock:

I'm going to bookmark this thread and read through your links.

[borlis]

62. Thanks for the links

I am new here. No Surrender is my sister. Thanks so much for the links. I live in Illinois and I am totally shocked that our Governor already signed this. I am going to call my senators and pass this along to all the moms I know. This is pretty scary.


:scared:

[kohodog]

31. Whoo woo...aderall for all n/t

[goobergunch]

33. What's the bill number? (n/t)

[jeffrey_X]

35. DRUG THEM ALL!!!!!

Unfucking real. More ways to expand the profits for drug companies.

DRUGS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE ANSWER.

Medicate early ---> medicate for life. Guaranteed customers for life.

[Carolab]

47. It's WORSE than just the DRUGS

It's that they want to push these kids into their faith-based tax-free "treatment" facilities/schools and brainwash them and keep them addicted so they can do it!!

WE MUST STOP THEM!!!

[OnionPatch]

36. I'm another one who won't allow them to do this to my child

If I have to, I'll remove her from public school before I'll allow this.

I just can't imagine that even Republicans would go along with this. I told a couple of the mothers at my work about this. I suspect they are Republicans because they are borderline fundies. They were horrified and disgusted. Hopefully this insanity won't pass.

[Skip Intro]

38. Yeah - let's hear the freeping bushies on this one

Is THIS where the line is with those dopes?

You think they'll draw the line at bush-worship when he goes straight for their kids?

[Mist]

39. If nothing else

I would thing there would be an enormous load of lawsuits resulting from attempting this. Who does the "screening"? And what are their qualifications? The logistics of the whole thing seems unrealistic too. I predict a perfect shit-storm over this....

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

60. Lawsuits

Their may not be a lot of lawsuits afterall. THey can easily find a way to stop many of them with the proper legislation.

They could start a fund that is paid for by those who take the drugs. Each time you buy the drugs or pay for the exam if one has to pay they would have a certain dollar sum go to a fund to cover damages and strictly limit who can sue.

They did this with vaccines. It is virtually impossible to sue drug companies for vaccine damage. Lawyers have found a few loopholes but many get left behind. In 87 I believe they started to add 2 or 3 dollars to each vaccine to cover compensation for damages caused by vaccines. This is in the vaccine links imbedded in several places if you want to know more. Billions of dollars has been awarded yet many are still awaiting their day in court, while the children are suffering and not getting the medical attention they need.

This is more and more like the vaccine issue the more I think about it. They will try to get the masses to believe that this is for the good of others for certain kids to be drugged.

[OutsourceBush]

41. Drug the paranoid religious wackos first, pass pills out at church

[proud_Kucitizen]

43. How ridiculous

I was able to get my son with Pervasive Development Disorder exempted from taking the MMR vaccine required before going into Junior High School. I just told them that since we have made such progress with him I didn't want to risk the vaccine that might make his condition worse again. This is allowed in our school system in Ohio maybe it's allowed elsewhere also.

It's unclear however whether they will let children opt out of a program such as this. Kind of sounds like they might not plan on it.

I can tell you though, my son's doctor put him on Ritalin and Depakote which is suppose to help with bipolar disorder and psychotic disorders and it was the most awful experience I have ever had. It actually made him psychotic which he isn't without the medication. He became very beligerent and started threatening people with knives, I could hardly handle him when he was on this stuff. I had him taken off both within two months and his doctors response was that he had never heard of this happening before and that there were other antipsychotics we could try, I said absolutely not.

I homeschooled him during his sixth grade year because he was having so many problems in school. During this time I took him off all his medications and he did great. He wanted to return to school the next year and I haven't put him back on any meds since and he is having his best year ever, getting almost straight A's and his teachers say he is one of the most polite kids they've ever taught.

[NikolaTeslaRocks]

46. How Ridiculous

I am also afraid they wont allow exemptions for this mental health exam. You can avoid any and all vaccines with exemptions in Ohio.
I only wish the doctors and school personel would tell of exemptions for both of these issues when they apply. Obviously, the mental exams are not required YET.

[juliagoolia]

44. OH my .. torn about this one

I raised a mentally ill child. She is now 30 and finally on the right meds, or so it seems.

I must tell you though that all the psychiatric help in the world, and all the testing and meds you could throw at her never worked until she was in her mid 20's and finally saw it herself.

I think, having actually experienced REAL not imagined mental illness, that the identification is ok to help parents,(Its usually off base though until they can help with it as an adult) but the best thing you can do with kids like this is train parents to work with behavior modification tactics and get the adults fixed. If you get them fixed and the kid still has problems, you are gonna have to wait for them to grow up and accept the illness is real anyway so giving them meds as a child just doesn't seem to work too well..

In MY experience these are the facts.

[Melodybe]

49. My mom is manic and I don't want them touching my children.

[Bridget Burke]

57. It sounds like the meds are the whole purpose of this program.

Whether the child has some very normal behaviour issues--maybe they're too bright & bored in class, maybe there's a problem at home--or there are more serious problems, the goal is to prescribe drugs. Immediately.

Training parents & working with children long-term are just not quick money-makers.

[AzDar]

45. Yeah. Just tryyyyyy to test my children ya Nazis! n/t

[PROGRESSIVE1]

51. This is a HITLER ACT!!!!!!

This is nothing more than mind control and profit taking for the Drug Companies!

It's Facsism!!!

:puke:

[TexasLady]

58. a couple years ago my son went through

this and his father and I were bombarded with teachers telling us he needed to be put on drugs. It went as far as taking him to a mental health professional who thank goodness said he was a typical boy who loved to make people laugh and that was the extent of his 'disruptive' behavior. WE decided to take him to have testing done, to shut the teachers UP. It worked.

I actually had a pediatrician tell me that I was undernourishing my first daughter as a baby because I wasnt feeding her his endorsed brand of formula! :mad:

[noonwitch]

59. Here's an issue that we appear to agree with the freepers about!

The freepers have a real problem with this plan, too.

I do think that teachers should be trained to look for early signs of true mental illness in children, things like schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder. And of course, those teachers need to know where to refer those kids for help. This is crazy, because we just know it will end up being used to identify more kids who allegedly have ADHD and to get them on medication for it.

After working with kids for over 17 years, I have concluded that treating ADHD with meds ultimately predisposes them to have substance abuse problems later in life. There are some kids who need to be taking ritalin, but most of them need to be in Little League and other sports to put all that energy into constructive purposes. Even kids who need meds should also be getting some kind of counseling to help them learn better ways to cope, so that the meds are only a temporary thing.