Race Is Everything In America.

[Solomon]

Personally, I'm happy with the ridiculous outcry over the Monday Night Football thing. Once again we are confronted with the disease that afflicts america. We like to pretend that it doesn't exist.

I am sick to death of the hypocrisy of people over race. Yes that includes my so-called liberal democratic compatriots.

Deep down, every issue in America is driven by race. I've had to sit here and listen to every conceivable reason why George W. Bush "won" the election except the real one. It's just too damn raw. The big elephant in the room.

I didn't see the MNF thing the night it was shown. The way it was talked about however, led me to believe that something truly shocking was portrayed. Last night I finally got a chance to see it.
I was expecting to see some real porn given the outcry.

People it was nothing. Except ...

There was only one reason, ONE REASON, the spot raised hackles like it did.

Once again, I have to sit here and listen to every conceivable reason why the thing was so despicable except the true one.

America is truly mentally ill. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. The slaughter and massacre of Iraqis.

[chimpymustgo]

1. "Mandingo Moment", as Jeff Greenfield called it.

It's ALWAYS about race. Why don't you post this in the AA forum also? Thanks.

[UL_Approved]

2. What are you talking about?

I don't watch MNF. Others probably don't either. Could you clue us in on what happened?

[ClassWarrior]

4. I don't either, but I saw the clip...

A black football player is in the locker room when one of the tall blonde women from the raunchy, cheezy new show on ABC (is it "Desperate Women"?) walks in wearing only a towel. They exchange some "clever" banter, then she drops her towel and we fade out - the implication being they're about to do the nasty. ~yawn~

Now Captain Kirk kissing Uhura... THAT was a scandal!

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

3. Excellent point.

I think the whole thing is hysterical. The Radical RW and their dogs, the corporate media whores, have manufactured another scandal, and nobody on the left really cares. We've tuned out the fable news shows, and we're concentrating on the vote fraud, and they all look ridiculous huffing and puffing about this. It's really just more raunchy, corny television ala HeeHaw. The difference being, as you astutely point out, the racial implications.

NGU.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Agree. From the hysterical reaction I expected...I don't know

what, and when I saw the clip I saw less skin than your typical Ivory Soap commercial. There was not even a slightly side glimpse of breast.

But my first reaction was, 'I get it. Black man, white woman.'

Lets concentrate on this. A lot. Talking about vote fraud, out of control troops in Iraq, the buildup for war against Iran, that can all wait.

This is important.

And I don't even want to get into the biblical insinuations, the Samson and Delilah, predatory woman subverting the strong man.

Oh my.

[GraphicQueen]

6. WHY????

are there so many threads about race? I am beginning to think that there are more Democrats that are stuck on racist issues than Republicans. Don't we have much worse problems facing us at this time? We just had a huge election stolen right out from under us and all some can do is worry about if another Democrat wants someone to speak English or not or some other ridiculous notion that one can't be a good Democrat unless one abides by the other's notion of what a good Democrat is. Balderdash!!!! This is what is killing this party and why there are so many problems.

[Strawman]

11. Because race is a salient issue

Solomon is exactly right. Race (and I think how it ties in with economic class) is the "elephant in the room." Hence the "Southern Strategy." Hence the racist white pols in white suburbs who often try to win elections with hate by painting their Democratic opponent as an "nword-lover" with coded language. They used to just love to call our (MI) ex-Gov. Jim Blanchard "Coleman's Boy."

If you don't think race is important, come to Detroit sometime. Just take a drive down Jefferson Avenue from Detroit to Grosse Pointe. You'll cross a street called Alter Rd., It's the dividing line between the two cities. When you cross that street the reality of the link between of race and economic class will hit you in the face like a Mack truck. Poverty on one side of the line and extreme wealth on the other. World class public schools on one side and public schools that can't even afford toilet paper and textbooks on the other. Au Pairs pushing rich toddlers on one side and kids who don't always know where the next meal is coming from on the other side. I can't think of a more important issue to be "stuck" on. If that makes it harder for us to win elections, I have to ask what are we even trying to win for.

There's only one way to change things and it isn't by pandering. People have to be made to be aware of how destructive racism is and they have to be made to feel ashamed of their prejudice.

[Solomon]

12. GraphicQueen, if you don't think all the problems you raised have

race as the underlying basis, then you're lost. Why do you think voter fraud isn't attracting the attention that it needs? First of all, a lot of people don't think blacks should be voting anyway, so who cares if their votes got suppressed. Stealing the election was the appropriate thing to do to make sure those minorities allied with stupid liberal whites don't get to determine who the president should be.

Wake up.

[AP]

7. And oddly, this goes on at the same time we're getting a lot of weird shit

about Bush and Condi. Black man and someone white's desperate wife: bad. White married man and single black woman who works for him: the way it should be.

And let's not forget Janet Jackson. This is the second time the NFL has contributed something to the national debate, and AGAIN it has to do with sex and two people of different races.

During the superbowl it was a white man ripping off a black woman's bra (which was her fault), and now it's a desperate white housewife...

[Strawman]

8. Yep. And If I were Tony Dungy...

I'd find the reaction to the skit a whole lot more offensive than the skit itself. Who really thinks that any of these people would have raised half the stink they did if Nicolette Sheridan had jumped into Peyton Mannings arms?

You are spot on.

[oneighty]

9. But what about

if it lasts more than four hours erection pills, and vaginal itch and odor and anti-poop meds and on and on just so there is no mention of birth control or condoms for disease prevention.

Gee! I wonder why.

180

[Brewman_Jax]

10. So true

You're right about MNF. It wasn't that Nicolette Sheridan was naked, but WHO she was naked for.

Notice the outcry in the Janet Jackson incident was that she was showing, not that Justin Timberlake pulled her clothes.

The standard double standard hasn't changed, and it's supposed to be the 21st Century.