Okay, this email from a Kerry supporter is so STUPID

[Jo March]

I asked a friend if she is working with any political groups to change the way things are. She is disgruntled about a lot of left-wing causes. This is what she replied:

"Naw, don't have time for those groups in too many other things. I've decided to make the most of the situation and make a but load of money off of tax free dividends. The main problems you have in the long run are people like Michael Moore and other actors and actresses turning off the voters no matter the message its the way its delivered is the problem."

So, this is what I replied back:

"The main problem that we have are crooked people who think nothing of shaving a vote or two here and there. Hollywood will always be vilified by the right, except for Bruce Willis and Ah-nuld, whom they like. That will go on forever. It wasn't a factor in this election.

What decided this election was the "errors" and "glitches" that gave Bush extra votes and skimmed votes from Kerry. If we don't fix our election system, we will always lose, Michael Moore or no Michael Moore.

Also, with the debt ceiling now raised to over $800 billion, how long do you think that it will take for your dividends to shrink into nothing? Not very long.

I choose to fight. I've always been like that. :)"

Man, Americans on crack? How can she possibly not link the fiscal irresponsibility of the ** Administration with how she will be affected financially?

Crack, I tell you. Crack.

[NJ_Lib]

1. That is Repuke mentality if I ever saw one...

... Oh, it doesn't matter because after all, I'll just do what's best for ME... Fuck everybody else... Fuck democracy... Fuck America... Show me the money!

You know, I was always amazed when someone would say to me: "I hope you don't make over $200,000. a year because if you do, you would be foolish to vote for Kerry".... Or, "let them overturn Roe vs Wade, what do I care, I'll never have an abortion"... Or, "let them send the soldiers over there, who cares, I don't have any children that age"... And on and on...

I'm sorry... I really did not realize people vote based upon what's best for them and their family... Or which candidate's policies will work in their favor.... I think of our country when I vote, not my personal situation... That has just never occured to me...

[Siyahamba]

3. Sadly, that explains most * supporters

They don't care about anyone else's rights being trampled on - they get an extra $50 back at income tax time, that's all that matters.

[sangh0]

5. If lower taxes is "all that matters", then why do conservatives support

corporate welfare, and oppose abortion?

[Siyahamba]

9. Conservatives, sure, but the average voter

the "swing" voter, doesn't care about either of those.

[sangh0]

13. Not true

Plenty of swing voters care very much about abortion. It's the issue that helped create the phenomena knows as "Reagan Democrats"

[Jo March]

17. Yes, and why support an $800 billion dollar debt ceiling?

I mean, come on. That is going to bite us in the ass very soon.

[sangh0]

24. You answer that question

If they only care about themselves, as you seem to be arguing, then why do they support increasing the debt ceiling by $800B?

My argument is that they don't care about themselves only.

[Jo March]

27. Umm, no I'm not arguing that "they only care about themselves"

I'm saying that the $800 billion dollar debt ceiling is going to bite us in the ass and can't she see that her precious dividends aren't guaranteed and could be affected?

If they don't care about themselves only, what is your rationale? Burnout? Fear?

I know this person. She comes across as a person who wants to change things for the better. She talks the talk. So, I simply asked if she worked for any organizations. I really and truly expected her to say yes. When she wrote me back, I was shocked. Her reply comes across like she only cares about her money.

[sangh0]

29. OK, so you're saying it's stupidity.

If they don't care about themselves only, what is your rationale? Burnout? Fear?

I believe that they have a consistent moral code. I think their code leads them to immoral actions and beliefs, but even if it's a poor moral code, it's still a moral code. It's just not very moral. I recommend reading something by George Lakoff.

[Jo March]

34. I don't know if she's being selfish or not. Again - I know her

You don't. She comes across as wanting to change the way things are. She talks the talk, like I said before. When I ask her if she actually does something to make things better, she emails me that lame email.

She says that she will rake in a butt load of money from dividends. Hmm. What an odd thing to say if you're not about money or your own interests.

She tries to turn the loss of the election around to point the finger at MM and Hollywood, which is stupid. MM and Hollywood did NOT cause Kerry and other Dems to lose their respective races.

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[BlueCaliDem]

12. Only Certain People...

...but the majority of people who aren't religiously indoctrinated churchgoers don't think that way.
I'm one of the many, since we are in the income bracket that should, for all intentions and purposes, be voting Republican.
People are always trying to put Hollywood down, but little do they know, that Hollywood million-and billionaires give millions of dollars to help children in our country who don't have much--unlike huge corporations!
Rob Reiner (Meathead from All in the Family) heads (no pun intended) a fund for children who can't get healthcare here in Southern California.
Aaahnold has a charity that helps lower income children with afterschool, and fitness programs (his pride and joy); Gary Sinese has started, and is personally involved with helping poor Iraqi children with clothes, toys, school items, and helping to boost moral among the tired troops; Antonio Banderas, and his wife Melanie Griffith, support, and give to the charity that help feed, and clothe American children who are, most notably, living in cars, and trailers, and all in middle America!
You don't hear much about this, because Republican owned-and-operated media don't want to give Democrats, and liberals any ounce of credit for anything!
Then also, the fact that blue states that constantly vote democratic, provide for most of the money red staters enjoy. We pay high taxes in the blue states (especially California) but it's okay. We make a lot too, so we think it's only fair to pay our fair share to help out the other states of the union--although most Californians these days, while constantly getting out helping hand bit by ungrateful B* supporters, think now secession from the union isn't such a bad idea anymore.

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[hfojvt]

7. my post-election thoughts were similar

I felt like America had just hit a huge iceberg. If the Titanic is going down might as well party on the deck. What else is there to do?

Yes, I know, keep fighting, but it is very hard to get motivated when we just lost a fight that should have been so easy. How could we have lost to that guy? How can an incumbent ever be defeated in Congress?

Our two primary weapons were information and the vote. They did not work, or they were rendered useless by BBV or the propaganda machine known as the SCLM.

It is like Pink Floyd said: "When they've given their all, some stagger, and fall. After all, it's not easy, banging your head against some mad bugger's wall."

Take a standing eight count, take a year off, if needed, but keep in touch. Sisyphus deserves a coffee break.

[Jo March]

18. No break for me. I'll keep pushing the boulder

They will not steal America right out from under me. I'd rather die fighting than kneeling.

[lukasahero]

8. My response to people who say those things?

"I hope you don't make over $200,000. a year because if you do, you would be foolish to vote for Kerry"....
We do. According to a DeLoitte and Touche analysis, Kerry's plan would have cost us $1600/year. I was taught in my Christian upbringing that those who have more should care for those who have less. Oh, and I think we can swing the $133/month.

Or, "let them send the soldiers over there, who cares, I don't have any children that age"...
My oldest nephew is 16. Perhaps you'd like to take his place when he's drafted you frickin... Followed by a slew of invectives that would have my mother washing my mouth out with soap.

[Jo March]

19. My stepson is 22 with his whole life ahead of him - I get so

pissed off when people say such stupid things.

[Jo March]

14. Yes and just because you have investments that doesn't mean

that your dividends are guaranteed! People don't understand that. The enormous debt will start to "trickle down" and affect everything.

Hey, I just proved that trickle down works! LOL

[lovedems]

2. These idiots can't get over Michael Moore!

My brother is the exact same way. Blames our loss on Micheal Moore! Moore is a dude with a camera and a story to tell! Why is it that Michael Moore is *so fucking terrible* for trying to change the outcome of this election but the Falwell's and Robert's of this nation who *did* change the outcome election (if you are to believe the exit polls-that is debateable, I know) get a free pass from the non religious republicans?

My brother is in total denial that his party has been hijacked. I told him that Falwell will have more of an influence on policy and that Moore would have very little (if any) if Kerry would have won.

Like a typical conservative, he just doesn't get it. When you engage in character assassination against the messenger, you no longer have to respond to the message.

[sangh0]

6. Ummm

It was from a Kerry supporter, not a "typical conservative"

[lovedems]

11. While I was speaking of typical conservatives

for a Kerry supporter be on the "Micheal Moore is bad" bandwagon makes it all the worse.

[Jo March]

15. Yes and I believe that she is gay which makes it all the more

puzzling. She doesn't know the hell that she will face in the next four years with **. I'd think that she'd want to fight.

Oh, well. She'll be getting a "but load" of money so that makes it all okay.

[Jo March]

21. That made it worse, you know?

She should ust STFU if she can't say something smarter than that. And spell butt correctly, dammit! She is one step away from being an honorary Freeper!!

[sangh0]

23. So we should censor people who don't like Michael Moore?

She should ust STFU if she can't say something smarter than that.

And spell butt correctly, dammit! She is one step away from being an honorary Freeper!!

You misspelled "just"

[Jo March]

25. No, when I do it, it's a typo

When she does it, it's a misspelled word. ;)

LOL!

[sangh0]

31. I'm not so sure about that

You'll have to tell whether or not you like Michael Moore. It's a critical piece of info.

[Jo March]

33. I don't believe in censorship or banning books, music, etc.

I neither like or dislike Michael Moore. He is what he is - a filmmaker whose films generate a lot of contraversy. My opinion of him has nothing to do with my original point. He didn't lose this election for the Dems. Oh sure, there are people who can't stand him but I don't think that millions of people voted for ** because of MM.

[SemperEadem]

26. they get off on being the perpetual victim

their fuel is in their perceived victimization--and they have no interest in remedying the situation--as long as they have something to bitch about.. and a demon to struggle against.. they're happy as a pig in slop.

[lovedems]

32. Yes. The victims of those activist judges

They removed prayer from public school (gasp!), they made abortion legal (gasp!), they removed "under God" from the pledge (gasp!). Woe is me! We aren't a theofacist nation (gasp!) because of those Godless liberals and those activist judges!

They play the victim by engaging in hateful rhetoric and character assassination.

[Jo March]

39. Never understood those types of people

n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Sounds more like a MePublican than a "Kerry supporter"

:shrug:

[Jo March]

16. MePublican! I love it.

I never would have figured her for this. She has all types of stickers in her cube against book banning, for John Kerry, anti-** stuff.

I guess that is her way of helping the cause, maybe?

[Bridget Burke]

20. The "blame Michael Moore & Hollywood" meme showed up ...

Just after the election. Fits right in with the "moral values" theme--the need to defend honest, heartland values against the glitzy residents in Hollyweird.

How they can see an independant film maker--& a shlub who never met a cheeseburger he didn't like--one of the "elite" beats me.

Edited so I don't offend any cheeseburger eating shlubs out there. Wouldn't the "elite" be more likely to nibble on an eggwhite omelet & wash it down with designer water?

[Jo March]

22. The "elite" would cringe if he attended one of their parties

The man truly loves his country. That's more than I can say for ** or Crashcart or any of them.

[SemperEadem]

28. Don't forget, March 2003, when he was boo'd by the Hollywood elite

sitting in the audience at the Academy Awards when he picked up his trophy for Bowling for Columbine.

The studio owners and 'greenlighters' aren't dems.. by a long shot.

[sangh0]

30. Oh yes they are

by a LONG shot.

You know, one can be a liberal and still not like Michael Moore.

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[Jo March]

38. You can say the same thing about Rush or Gingrich or any

of the right-wing idiots.

Look at O'Reilly. He loves publicity and making a name for himself and falafel.

[m berst]

35. not a liberal, not a Democrat

Many if these people may have voted for Kerry, and they are entitled to their "opinions" which are 99% a full acceptance and support for the right wing agenda, but they are not liberals and they are not Democrats.

I think that we will sooner bring many working class Bush voters over to liberalism than we will many of these Kerry voters who do not have even the foggiest concept as to what it means to be a liberal.

The right wingers have so stupified people and have so muddied the issues and corrupted people's thinking process that half of the electorate is voting for the wrong party.

Most of the blue collar Bush voters are extremely liberal on 90% of the issues. A good half of the Kerry voters are more conservative than moderate Republicans were 40 years ago. Everyone is voting on the right wingers agenda - a handful of issues that shouldn't even be in the political arena and belong in the seminary, and defining "left" and "right" on the basis of that.