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Thu Nov-18-04 07:59 PM
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Because, hey, not all Democrats agree on abortion |
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:04 PM
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1. Hey, Democrats don't bargain away other's rights |
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in order to win an election. This is bigotry, pure and simple.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:07 PM
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3. Did it occur to you that it might be out of principle? |
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Why the cut-off point the last trimester? Why viability? Is the health exception a little vague? Too vague?
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:08 PM
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4. Why not fetal brain development as well as viability? |
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:17 PM
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9. What the heck are you talking about? Coherence is highly |
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valued in our party, too.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:26 PM
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11. If you don't know what I am talking about the issue of abortion |
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you must have just inherited. Read Roe and Casey.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:04 PM
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2. Sounds like the Dems that voted their "moral values" |
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I checked it out, and am really glad that I stick to DU threads!
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:08 PM
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5. lump me into a neat little box. nt |
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:12 PM
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6. ROFL..it's ALL men! What a fucking shocker! |
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:13 PM
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7. How many milliions of women oppose abortion in some form? nt |
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:15 PM
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8. Gee I don't know...do you? |
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Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 08:16 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
And they have a party..the Republican party...btw...why is it always gay men with big time MOMMY issues leading the charge against LEGAL and SAFE abortion? Perhaps if your energy were on economic justice and elevating the status of women there would be a hell of a lot less abortions...but NO..THAT would involve actually uplifting women rather than controlling them.we MUST control women's bodies!
But I am glad that mysoginistic fucknut OUTINFORCE has somewhere to go where he can express his hatred of women.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:23 PM
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10. Ok? There are many Democratic women that want Roe |
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reconsidered. Democratic Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco for example. Gay men with mommy issues? What the hell?
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:28 PM
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13. I almost miss OIF. He was so illustrative. |
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I learned so much about the anti-choice mentality from him. One can apply that kind of knowledge in so many current situations.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:30 PM
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14. Yeah...he was a textbook lesson in triangulating |
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Fri Nov-19-04 12:52 AM
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23. omg, he is a member of the posted yahoo group |
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Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 12:52 AM by Kipepeo
in the original post.
small world.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:36 PM
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15. Women who oppose abortion can opt for not having one |
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Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 08:39 PM by Blue State Native
This is about pro choice. Get that? No one is pro abortion. How hard is this to understand? Women should have control over their bodies! It is really just that simple! Like my husband told his republican friend, "Would you like the Gov. telling you what to do with your dick?" Sorry to be crude, but his republican friend got the point.
edited for clarity.
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Fri Nov-19-04 12:20 AM
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20. Then, I would assume that you |
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are in favor of my ingestion of cocaine, LSD, marijuana, etc.
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Fri Nov-19-04 12:44 AM
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22. don't know about teh person you're talking to |
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but as far as I'm concerned YES, if you wanna take cocaine or LSD it's NONE of my business, just like if you want to smoke or drink alcohol, or eat fat laden frankenfood.
If you're not hurting anyone you can take every drug in the world for all I care - you shouldn't be able to drive or operate heavy machinery but we manage to have those rules and still let people drink alcohol.
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Fri Nov-19-04 05:08 AM
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I agree with you all the way. I just wanted to get a sense of "control of one's own body."
I gave all those things up years ago, by the way.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:27 PM
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12. How about people "opposed" to abortion |
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find other ways to try to reduce its incidence (say, supporting a SPHC system, so preganant poor women wouldn't have to worry about a lack of health insurance) rather than working to criminalize the decisions women potentially might make with their doctors?
The problem with the whole abortion "debate" is that it assumes that there are all these women out there making reproductive decisions that could be better handled by big-hair televangelists and folks like Tom DeLay. If so-called late term abortion is a real problem, and not a red herring (because the idea that millions of women are staying pregnant for 8 months and then getting abortions on a whim- because, say, they decide they "look fat"- is as much of a right-wing AM radio fantasy as the legions of bon-bon eating welfare queens that laugh as they cash checks loaded with money confiscated from the paychecks of angry white docker-wearing cubicle drones) then it's still relevant to ask why the immediate knee-jerk urge is to criminalize the procedure as the only potential solution?
Against surgical or even late-term abortion? Hey- don't have one. Better yet, support RU-486. OTC Morning after pill and birth control pill availability. Safer, more effective birth control. Prenatal care (and a SPHC system) for poor people. A liveable minimum wage.
But ultimately, with regards to what goes on inside a woman's own body during a pregnancy, the government shouldn't be making those decisions. Period. Women and doctors should.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:46 PM
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16. when it effects YOUR uterus let us know |
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Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 08:48 PM by Djinn
I don't beleive men should have no say but it bemuses me that almost every time I see a post/thread/news or commentary piece, politician mouthing off about abortion the anti-choice side is taken by a bloke.
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Thu Nov-18-04 08:55 PM
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17. Than again most officials are men to begin with... nt |
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Thu Nov-18-04 09:28 PM
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18. which is why they should stop |
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trying to legislate what women can do with their bodies.
if you want to outlaw abortion for whatever reason at whatever stage you are forcing some women who do not wish to give birth to do so - that's fascist whatever way you loko at it.
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Fri Nov-19-04 12:09 AM
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19. At some point the fetus should have some consideration and |
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he/she is a concern for the father.
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Fri Nov-19-04 12:42 AM
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what's in MY body is none of your business, it's none of Bush's business it's none of the Christian coalition's business.
MY BODY MY RIGHT
If a woman wants an abortion and you say "we need to consider the fetus" what does that mean. Are you in favour of forcing a woman to give birth against her will or not?
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Fri Nov-19-04 08:43 AM
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the father of the child has no say at all until after its born. How about during delivery - should he be there? Or should he pay for prenatal care and support you?
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Fri Nov-19-04 09:43 AM
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Such X/Y thinking is so unbecoming.
There's a difference between having a "say" and having a legal right. When my MS is acting up, and i don't want to move off the couch, my wife has a "say". She can tell me i should at least try to be productive rather than let the disease get me down. She doesn't have a legal right to make me suffer more than i'm willing to suffer that day, but her opinions matter to me.
Same here. If this is a sound relationship, and the mother and father are emotionally bonded, then it's already extremely unlikely that an abortion will take place without the man's input. If the relationship isn't emotionally solid and equal, then what the guy says is far less relevant. Absent a legal right, anyone who impregnates a woman and then doesn't have the emotional standing to have a meaningful opinion doesn't deserve the right anyway.
Back to my wife and i. When we were younger and wanted kids, i can imagine NO circumstances where she would have wanted to terminate a pregnancy and do so without regard to what i thought. At the same time, if there was danger to her or high likelihood of a debilitating illness to either, i can't imagine that i wouldn't support her in terminating the pregnancy if that were her wishes. So, i would have a say in what happens. But, if we disagreed, i'd have no right to prevent her from doing what she wanted to do.
What's so difficult to understand about that? The Professor
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Fri Nov-19-04 09:46 AM
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31. That point is the moment the fetus exists indepedent of the woman |
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Fri Nov-19-04 05:42 AM
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25. They're Called "Republicans" |
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and the line starts here for them to all to kiss my ass.
Don't like abortion? Don't have one.
Don't like the idea of some uppity women doing something with your sperm that you don't like? Don't leave it anywhere where it's out of your control - like in a woman's body. Time to stop being a little boy and start being a man.
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Fri Nov-19-04 08:34 AM
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26. thank you, thank you , thank you! |
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I've been saying that for a long time ... if you're going to worry about your sperm, be more careful where you leave it.
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Fri Nov-19-04 08:35 AM
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27. Not all Democrats agree on women's rights |
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That would be more accurate.
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Fri Nov-19-04 08:55 AM
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29. they don't seem to be attracting much attention.... |
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