For First Time, I Do Believe Bush Has Crossed the Line & Is Toast....

[Starpass]

Like every last one of you, I've been on this rollercoaster for a couple years of thinking "he's done"/"he's going to kill us in the next election". But something about the last few days, or even few weeks, has me smelling burnt toast. I think he's finally crossed over "that" line.

The public (from years of observation) seems to have this invisible line. On one side of it you are a hero; and you can strut, pose, beat your chest, scream from the podium, make threats, make promises, etc. and the crowds go wild and cheer you and wave the flag. But then there is that invisible line that is stepped over and there is no return to the other side. On that other side of the line, all those previous struts and poses and promises and threats, etc., mock you. They make you look like a fool. That is where Bush is. Do you think he could whip people up into a froth again?---no way, and particularly since this is an election year. Our Dems this time would be in his face (they can't afford to be sheep, because it would be the end of them--and they know it, thanks to Dean). It's sort of like the aging movie star who has made one too many movies. Do you remember whichever James Bond movie where an aging Moore was all corsetted and painted but the camera angles just couldn't hide a man who no longer could play the seductive Bond?? Bush's corsett has burst.

In fact--have to share this with you. Today I was reading the new Newsweek in the dentist's office. There was a political cartoon that I just broke out audibly laughing. It was the usual drawing of Bush with elongated face and huge, pointed ears. He was in a big clown suit---pointed hat with puff ball on top; big fat polkadot suit and huge Ron McD feet. In his hand was a piece of paper that read "post war Iraq" and the "thought bubble" coming out of his head read: "Gee, I miss my flight suit"...................exactly--he is now the national clown, loser, liar, fuckup (take your pick).

[alcuno]

1. The "Tipping " Point

There was always this number lurking out there; the number of US soldiers killed after May 1. When that number became greater than those killed prior to May 1, the media began to turn as well. Had Bush* not made his proclamation aboard the aircraft carrier, I don't think that there would be the pressure on him that there is now. From a political standpoint, it was a blunder.

May all those killed because of this adminstration find peace with God.

[redwitch]

19. true!

and the numbers are always mentioned along with " since the president declared that combat was over" Makes him look stupid, not that that is difficult to achieve.

[LittleApple81]

2. I got the surprise of my life today too...listening to Oldies radio

I don't even know who owns this Oldies station, but when I got in my car this afternoon, the dj, who during the gon-ho days of the Iraqi war could not hear wrong about Bush without going ballistic, had all kinds of jokes about the Bush doll. He said something to the effect that one of the few things that were real was the level of intelligence and that if you put the doll close to oil it would yell "Invade!"

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. LOL

Good one! :-) I gotta remember that one!

[BelgianMadCow]

8. that is funny !

it should be added to the features of the doll that can speak stupid soundbites and make disgusting noises...

[ShaneGR]

31. Call him up and ask him where the doll was made

It's the ultimate joke.

[dusty64]

3. I think Iraq

is now his undoing, going to the UN now and begging for help only shows what a failure this "war" has become. Another loooooooong vacation while the economy continues to flounder has really revealed the true chimp to the public. Everything he touches turns to shit and unfortunately that is now our country. I have NO doubt in my mind this evil puppet can NEVER actually be elected, not even the rigged voting machines may be able to save his ass in 2004.

[Skittles]

4. never, NEVER

underestimate the ability of ROVE INC. to pull Boy George out of the toaster. They've already shown they are willing to lie, steal, KILL. They'll do ANYTHING; NOTHING IS BENEATH THEM.

[LittleApple81]

6. And the media is so quick at rolling on its back... n/t

[KoKo]

14. I'm with you Skittles! Much as I wish...I don't see turning tide yet!

Caution, Caution, Caution! Our "Whore Media" is bought and paid for.....I don't see the media really "locking down and doing exposes" on Bush, even though we get Cartoons (even in my NC papers....cartoons are great) but I don't see the big outcry I would have expected if there was REAL HARD PRESSURE from "average Americans."

I don't want to be suckered that Bush is going down......because we've never had a situation like this in the America I've known.....and that includes latter day Viet Nam

We know better.......what investigations have been done against Bush......NOTHING!

Don't "lull" yourselves that Bush is "going down."

It would take more than another 9/11 to bring this group down....They've been at it "behind the scenes and above the scenes" since 1945..........They are MASTERS! And, we are down to what we are here......theRESISTANCE!

Small......just cells here and there in the internet community......but we will grow.......he won't go down......but we will grow.......:-(

[Starpass]

17. ahhhbut we look for big things that the public will "cry out" about

..that shit ain't gonna happen. In other words, we could run all these investigations and issue reports and the overwhelming response of the American people would be, "huh, duh, what report, what huh". This is NOT how and why they react. They react to some gut, primoral turn of the tides. Bush is now and joke and they get the nuiance of being such a fuck up that he has to crawl back to dem dar foreign guys in dat building in New Yawk and has to humiliate his self-----see what I mean?? It's just like why the hell did the "Al's a liar" catch on??---and I saw person after person being interviewed that said he was liar but couldn't tell the interviwer what the hell he was suppose to have lied about. It's this 'gutteral' reaction that counts---positions, papers, investigations (unless they are about cocksucking) are soooooo over the head of people and that's why we haven't been able to dent him so far. The clown is now being dented in a way he can't control.

[MotorCityMan]

29. Hate to do it, but I agree with Skittles and KoKo01

There's still over a year to go until the election. The Turd Blossom didn't get * this far (and that disgusting nickname) just to give up now.

Once we nominate a dem candidate, the knives will really come out. It will make */Gore look like an afternoon tea party.

And Skittles, I agree. Rethugs have shown repeatedly that they will do ANYTHING to win. Little things like laws, the Constitution, majority opinion, commen decency and morals mean nothing to them. The end justifies the means.

[elfin]

32. Plus, Rove can make him back into

the "underdog" and get the media to cheer him on to make a comeback. I agree they will do ANYTHING to keep office and expand the majority.

Amazingly, the Supremes are hanging in there - I wonder why they are not giving him a chance to appoint anyone - might one or two of them be regretting their awful mistake?? On the other hand perhaps they are staying because a nomination fight would starkly reveal Bush's TRUE nature more than the stealth moves he makes on Fri afternoons re environment, fed raise cuts etc.

[greekspeak]

38. Normally, I would say that there is a line

but I agree with Skittles...BushCo is good at making black look white, right look wrong, hate look like love. I think that the line is really blurred right now. A conveniently placed event to "unite the country," a little media manipulation, a little 18181 voting fraud. I have not lost hope...I just don't want to build false hope.

[Blue_Roses]

41. and NEVER underestimate the

Christian coalition who need their "pulpit boy" to reach their agenda. Until Bush is proven beyond a shadow of any doubt that he IS the liar that we all know he is, then nothing is off the table.

[zbdent]

5. Remind people of Bush's rosy picture of the recovery

at EVERY new mass layoff announcement.

[KaraokeKarlton]

9. Everyone owes Howard Dean some big props for this happening

Because it wasn't acceptable to criticize Bush until he started doing it. He is not boring or a typical politician in that people just want to tune him out. If you hear him talking, you're compelled to listen. Dean was the voice that spoke for EVERYONE who saw Bush for what he really is, and his voice was heard by others...lots of others, who weren't listening before.

Howard Dean is the reason Democrats can win because he whipped up the resistance, inspired and motivated them to get out there and raise a stink. For this alone, he has earned respect and support...even if he's not your first choice or the one you're going to vote for. If it weren't for Dean leading the way, Bush would still be getting good press and he'd not get criticized or questioned because the others were too damn cautious until they saw Dean was making great things happen by taking that risk and staying true to his convictions. Anyone who says Dean can't beat Bush is in denial, because essentially, he already HAS!

[Starpass]

10. karoke--I really don't think Dean had much to do with this

It's not a bash Dean. It's just that no one, according to polls, even knows who our candidates are, much less listen to them!! This is much bigger. It's just this scenes of carnage every night from Iraq; bizillions of bucks being spent; not the pretty picture Bush bragged about to people; his WMDs and long list of lies over Iraq....in a word he is now this inept joke who made the Americans strut around like their shit doesn't stink---and then suddenly they discover their shit DOES stink and the humiliation of having to crawl to the UN and the fact that it mocks all these kids sent over there who were going to make the world safe (and their kin don't take too kindly to have been made a fool of), etc. He has gone from American Idol to fodder for every two bit comedian and for every political rival. They said Al was a "liar"---Bush is now a liar, an idiot, a moron in charge of nothing and person who fucked up this country. Bush is a joke.

[KaraokeKarlton]

15. I disagree...I think Dean set it all into motion

Because until the press started repeating the things Dean was saying, no one was criticizing Bush at all. His popularity ratings weren't going down at all. Popular opinion about Iraq was in Bush's favor. Dean took it to Bush hard in language that everyone can understand. He made the connection between rising property taxes and Bush not funding education and homeland security for states. He has hammered away relentlessly on his criticisms about Iraq and not in a radical way, but in a common sense way. I have a 4 children, and when I am watching Dean speaking on the TV or computer, they hear him say something and stop what they are doing and listen. The youngest is just a toddler..who also stops and listens. That's power and influence. If it weren't for Dean, Democrats wouldn't stand a chance fighting the right wing...not a snowball's chance in hell.

[Starpass]

18. No, people weren't listening to Dean except those who are informed

to begin with. It was the bomb at the UN in Baghdad, the bomb that killed so damn many at the mosque and these scenes of carnage. Hell, if anything the media has been trying to spin it; but the spin is just becoming a mockery. I certainly didn't turn on tv and hear about what Howard had to say. It was the reporters trying to figure out what the hell to say about the mess. Trust me, this media isn't doing something 'cause of Howard. They are trying like hell to help Bush but it is becoming hopeless. And as they see the people turn, the whores follow because they want the ratings. Unless you are telling me Howard is responsible for the bombs???!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cmd]

16. People are starting to see that the protestors were right

They will be very slow to admit it, but the facts just keep slapping them in the face. Everything we said last winter has come true.
No WMD
No Saddam
No Osama
No Jobs
No Credibility
No More Bush

[poppabear36]

11. I give him big props

And no I'm not talking about the Stautue of Liberty or an aircraft carrier.
The man has gumption and has given progressives a place to put their energy.
We've got some good candidates but the 2 candidates who can embarass Bush, really take it to him, appear to me to be Dean and Clark.
Remember Clark has been speaking alomg the same lines as Dean for just as long as Dean - just not as a candidate.
I have to hand it to Dean - it took cajones to speak out like he did when he did.

[Upfront]

52. Dean Stood All Alone

in left field, now left field is getting full fast. Sorry, forgot Sen. Byrd.

[Upfront]

51. Amen!

[Iverson]

12. Electoral fraud means ...

... never having to say you're toast.

[Booberdawg]

13. I don't believe it yet

I'm too cynical. They cheat. There is NOTHING they won't do to stay in power. I don't put anything past them. I think it would be a mistake to ever underestimate them or count our chickens yet.

BBV - stealing votes to name one.

[TacticalPeek]

20. Calculate the effects of KKKarl Rove going to prison. n/t

[King Bush II]

21. in all fairness

moore never really could play James Bond. There is just no replacing Connery.

[lfairban]

22. You mean this cartoon?

[Starpass]

26. Ya', baby, that's the cartoon

I loved it---oh, god, is it so on the mark!

[Beetwasher]

23. Critical Mass

I don't know if we've reached it yet, but we might have. It's going to get harder and harder for anything they do to work (aside from rigging the vote) as long as these types of stories continue to keep coming:

http://msnbc.com/news/957968.asp?0cv=CB10

Security Weakened at US Entries?

INS inspectors pulled from duty on some days to save money

--snip--

and

http://www.msnbc.com/news/961134.asp?0na=x22149d4

What Was Known About Post 9/11 Air?

Inspector general says White House changed EPA statements about
safety at Ground Zero

--snip--

[mlawson]

37. Don't think we are quite there yet. Once that line is crossed,

bush can't get back, no matter what he does. Carter crossed it in April 1980, when the rescue effort to Iran failed. Poppy crossed it during the second debate.

But being beyond the line means that even an October surprise can't save bush. Not even if they *allow* Ronnie to die two weeks before the election, and they stage the largest state funeral in history. Not even a new 9/11. We aren't there yet. But it may come.

[Blue_Roses]

40. Poppy crossed it with the infamous

"read my lips" statement.

[Unknown Known]

24. Americans hate losers

and we're losing in Iraq. This coupled with losing jobs. Poppy better buy up all the voting machines because junior and President Karl will have to declare martial law to get out of this.

LOSING is the key word - that's why Clinton kept high poll numbers - because he wasn't a loser - like baby george! These are primieval responses that even 'muricans can grasp.

[Starpass]

28. BINGO, Unknown--god did you hit it right on the head!!

They don't like losers---in fact they don't like losers because it reminds them that they are losers. They like getting lost in the big picture and empowering themselves as the great invading GI Joe. But a lost, clueless GI Joe who is mad, frustrated and wants to go home and get out of the fucking mess reminds them that in reality, that is exactly where they are in life. They can't get "lost" in the delusions of gradeur anymore--no more delusions to sustain them. Thus, the fear becomes real that they can't even pay next month's credit card bill...................we like to remain diverted and entertained and goddamnit, shithead isn't providing good entertainment for us. Booooo, hissss, change the channels...he's a bum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[screembloodymurder]

33. Good point

everybody loves a winner. But they love to hate the guy who was on top and stumbles.

[carolinayellowdog]

25. Saturn has crossed the line

Yeah, yeah, astrology has been conclusively disproven and only idiots pay any attention to it and any time it seems to be accurate is all in your imagination. We've heard it a thousand times and will hear it a thousand more. Nonetheless, Nancy Waterman and many others have been saying for more than a year now that Dubya's free ride will be over this month and it's downhill all the way till the election.

I don't care if the anti-astrology folks continue to denounce the predictions for the next year and a half-- as long as they turn out to be accurate.

CYD

[TacticalPeek]

27. yo yeller:

The Freedom Train:

[carolinayellowdog]

30. wutISdatthang? n/t

[KoKo]

34. With 'ya there, Carolina.....Thats' my hope, too....there are signs....but

we have to still be watchful.......My gut/sense says Saturn will do it.......but I've got to be prepared. Maybe he will be re-elected like Nixon.......voting corruption....dirty tricks....whatever.

The hope......I have........is that Saturn will sit on their heads and crush them.........:D

But, we are still "the Resistance!" Our work will have to go on! Maybe WE are SATURN! We are the incarnate or body force of Saturn.....

Who knows! I like to believe.....but cautious.....:shrug: They have had so much power for so long....it will take enormous strength and dedication to try to bring them down.....if we can do it....and it must be thorough if we do it...if any part of their philosophy is left behind it could appear agains like a "hydra!"

[JPace]

36. "Dubya's free ride will be over this month"

I think you are right, things are getting
very bad for AWOL....he's spread himself
thin everywhere.

Iraq is a mess and getting worse
People are losing their jobs and its getting worse
The environment is awful and its getting worse
Gas prices are high and its getting worse

His enforced policies are proving to be
total failures on every level.

[hunter]

35. I called Dick Cheney a "maggot" again in mixed company...

...and that usually provokes a heated response. But this time nobody said anything. It was more like they were thinking, "Yeah, I can see that..."

In case you are wondering, I was not the author of "Dick Cheney is a maggot feeding on the decaying flesh of human misery," as was quoted by Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times in his tirade against "leftist silliness" on November 5, 2002.

My own words were "festering genitals..." and it got worse after that, but I swear, I never sent that to Kristof himself, and I've since heard other people have called Dick Cheney a maggot even before the "selection."

I do like "Whistle Ass" for Bush. It's much more amusing than my own rude names for him.

[grasswire]

39. I just read today's newspaper

I live in a conservative small city. Look at these two letters to the editor:

Pray for end to Bush era

There are several bad four-letter words, but by far the worst is "Bush."

Bush advisers: Karl Rove, Dick Cheney.

Bush record: Two unneccesary oil wars, now costing over $1 billion a week with years of rebuilding ahead. So far the total loss of over 260 U.S. military.

Three tax cuts, supposed to create jobs and spur the economy, but they just added $1 trillion to the Republican national debt.

Every state in financial disarray. Little done for education.

Over three million jobs lost in 2 1/2 years.

Roads and bridges going to pot, while our money goes over to rebuild Iraq.

Alienated every country in the world but Israel with America.

Are we deaf, dumb and blind to let Bush ruin this country so his oil and energy friends get richer?

Let's send this selected president back to punching cows in Texas.

Please, Lord, bring back the good Clinton times. No wars. A good economy. Twenty-three million jobs created. A balanced budget with billions of surplus. Gradually paying off the national debt. Foreign countries smiling at us instead of shooting at us.

Pray, people, pray.
..................

Greedy are helping Greedy

Once again the state of Oregon has been blessed with the intrusion of our smirking, arrogant, strutting, questionably elected president. His fund-raising lunch netted $1 million for his campaign fund. When the final bill comes in, this will probably cost the taxpayers twice as much.

What is funny, if it wasn't truly sad, about this is the very people who gladly paid $2,000 a plate for hte privilege of lunching with Mr. Bush are the same people who call a $113 (average) tax hike astronomical {for an Oregon initiative}.

Another thing, if a city, county or state worker uses a publicly owned vehicle for private use, they can be prosecuted for it, so how is it that the president can get away with using publicly owned vehicles for non-official use? My guess is that it probably costs thousands of dollars per hour to operate Air Force One, all for the Republicans, but everyone has to pay for it. Isn't that nice of us?

I'm glad the president is allowing the gluttoneous oil industry to inflate the fuel prices; hopefully it will show the public what it is all about, the greedy helping the greedy!
..................

And no letters supporting Bush!

[Starpass]

42. Helloooooo, Grasswire, I like it: BUSH IS A 4 LETTER WORD

:evilgrin:

[Donna Zen]

43. Caution sign...

Duers_you have become very visible on the political landscape. In the days ahead, rovians will act to negate your effective power. Not every nay sayer is a republican operative; however, it would be foolish to think that bushco would ignore a machine that produces and disseminates vast quantities of information...er...and money. In fact with their access to psy-ops, I would imagine the operation to be much more subtle.This post is not meant to induce some crazy sense of flaming paranoia, rather it is a caution and a reminder to keep this house sound. As we say in Maine...we are in for some rough sleddin' if we are to shit can the mother. And yes...of course we can do it.

[Raenelle]

44. That invisible line--it's hubris, and it's what takes 'em all down.

For everyone else in the world, I wish them mercy. For Whistle Ass, I wish him justice.

[Cronus Protagonist]

45. Michael Moore's Oscar Speech was, IMHO, the tipping point

That was the seminal moment when the boy called out to the king, "George, you have no clothes". Once that was done and he didn't go to jail or get killed, it emboldened the rest of the world to be "rude" to Bush's face. Hats off to Michael for that one from me.

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[Starpass]

47. Cronus--stop making me laugh so late at night

I love the "Got WMD??"

[Davis_X_Machina]

46. There are still 50 million people out there...

...with a proven track record of voting for Bush.

Rage, fear, hatred, and greed, are all powerful inducements to vote.

'Too close to call' is close enough to steal.

[kysrsoze]

50. Yeah, don't forget about that....

If those people lose Bush et al (even though they'll lose their shirts otherwise), their lives will turn upside down. These people don't want to see what's happening in front of them - better to deny it. Otherwise, they'll have to accept that they've bought into greed as progress and hate as a way of feeling good about yourself. Look at how rabid the freepers still are. People still don't want to hear about Bush. Almost 50% are still willing to vote for him again, and they are doing to do their damnedest to get the vote out.

[Wapsie B]

55. That's right.

I won't rest easy until Inauguration Day, '05. And then only after the winning Democrat has taken the oath of office. There's still the fact that these people have planned for years to attain this kind of power. What are they prepared to do to keep it? That's what concerns me.

[Solomon]

48. I'm with you all the way Starpass.

Stick a fork in him, he's done. How the hell is he going to debate whoever the democratic nominee is? I thought that aircraft carrier landing was one of the worse things he did. I wish I could get my old bookmarks back. We said so many things which are bearing out now.

For one, I was laughed at for saying that we had lost the war the moment we invaded and Saddam didn't use wmd. I didn't think he would even if he had them. He might be evil, but he's not stupid.

I couldn't believe it when he strutted on that deck sayin Mission Accomplished. The war had not even started then, must less mission accomplished.

The only thing holding him up now is the nasty, ugly, greed and bad faith of his stupid supporters. Why bad faith? Because they know he lies and they don't care. They gotta be right now matter how wrong they are. But you know what, there weren't enough of them in 2000 to get him a win and I don't see him as having picked up more support than he had then.

[Octafish]

49. Agree. And you CAN get the 'marks back.

Go to Olde DU. Check in with the screen name and password you used to use. Go to LOBBY and hit it.

They've been there for me. Ha ha ha ha (maniacal DEMO Donkey laugh)!!!!

[Davis_X_Machina]

53. How the hell is he going to debate...?

Bush is not going to debate. And it won't matter. It won't hurt Bush one bit.

The whore press will tell us it's because he's too busy running the War on Terra, and the terms and conditions are unfair to Bush, and debate performance is really irrelevant to performance in office, and yadda, yadda.

You or I could write the news stories today, a year in advance.

Besides the GOP convention is so late that by the time Bush is nominated, and RoveCo finished stalls on negotiating the details, there won't be any time left to actually hold debate them, 'the President having prior committments for all the remaining days until the election'.

The choice of a late GOP convention is not dependent on 9/11, it's designed to shorten the actual campaign season to as short a winfow as possible, to minimize the damage that public Bush fuck-ups could cause.

[rocktivity]

54. The line was crossed yesterday when Bush threw down his union jacket

after seeing the protesters and blowing the speech to a less than huge, less than enthusiastic crowd.


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