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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:05 PM
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DUers on a list belonging to the Bush Admin? Pooooooossibly...
I was thinking as I signed yet another online petition, that with my personal info attached to all these "liberal" causes, one can only imagine what lists ol' Karl n' Friends have me stored on. Perhaps the "leave-to-die" list after the invasion they provoke? Or perhaps the "target-more-heavily-with-sublminal-propaganda" list? Or maybe the "lost-cause" list? Or most likely: the "keep-an-eye-on-this-person" list. Yes, I know, sounds very Hoover doesn't it?

Well, seems to be par for the course. And besides, didn't Ashcroft say definitively in his resignation letter that the mission of securing America was accomplished? We know that he didn't mean from AQ, because why would we still have an actively changing terror alert system and keep adding onto the Patriot Act? No, I think he meant we've put a system in place to monitor the "trouble-makers". That they've resurrected the era of Hoover's lists, but now it's a technology age equivelent. Logged human activity, personal behavior patterns, interests, travel plans, even movement between toll booths on the highway. Heck, one can only imagine the hard-drive full of DUer profiles right at the trigger finger of the CIA and Secret Service.

Am I being paranoid? Yes. Should I be? Yes. But you know what? I'm still going to sign those lists. I'm still going to flash my "liberal" status as it comes up. I'm not going to wear my TinFoilHat. Screw it... This Administration deserves to know just how vast the numbers are of people who live honorable lives and still manage to loath the Bush team with every bone in their bodies.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:06 PM
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1. News at 11?
:-)
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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:12 PM
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3. I wish.
I know that was just newbie ranting, but it does feel good to speculate out loud. I certainly can't talk like that at work or with my family. Besides, one of my greatest fantasies is that Rove spends hours lurking here everyday, cursing us all. :)

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:08 PM
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2. This is Stephanie, not Michael posting:
As many times as I have called the White House and given them my name, telephone number, and address...I would LIKE to fucking think someone knows who I am, even if it's only some poor secretary thinking, "oh shit..it's that bitch again."

Stephanie

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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:12 PM
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4. LOL
that is exactly what my Republican reps think when I call or mail them. Yup, they know us after a while I think.
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:13 PM
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5. This made me laugh. Good for you and I hope you're right.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:20 PM
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7. Tell then you are Inigo Montoya, and the rest
;-)
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:28 PM
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9. Hi Stephanie!
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 09:34 PM by G_j
if that doesn't work I thought this was pretty 'amusing' :-)

(hope all is well with you folks!)


So you'd like to... Have The F.B.I. Start A File On You.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/12OQB3RFYBSPS/103-8681648-9265416

The easiest way to have the FBI start a file on you is to write a left-leaning guide like this on Amazon. The FBI loves to spy on private citizens using the internet, so they may start a file by reading some innocuous message you posted on the internet. Another easy way to get an FBI file started is to write the FBI requesting your file...If you don't have a file, the FBI will start one, because they figure you're up to something rotten, if you request a file. It was easier to get a file going in the 60s when Nixon had an enemies list the size of the New York City phone directory. There's hope; now that John Ashcroft is Attorney General. Here's how to get your very own FBI file going, so you can have field agents visiting your family, friends and maybe even your employer!
Do a lot of name-dropping of these authors on subways, internet chat rooms, cell phones, campus ROTC meetings and church picnics:

Saul Alinsky is a good starting point in your quest to get an FBI file started. 'Rules for Radicals'

If you say,"How about that Noam Chomsky fella?", within earshot of an undercover agent, he will follow you around for weeks.'Propaganda and the Public Mind'

Rejecting the consumer culture is downright unpatriotic. 'No Logo : Taking Aim at the Brand Bullies'.

This recipe book will get a SWAT team to your house in a matter of minutes. 'The Anarchist Cookbook (C-066)'.


..more..
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:14 PM
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6. Bring it on! I hope they're recording my phone calls, too
I dare them to do anything.
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crasmane Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:25 PM
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8. I've used the same name consistently
at all the message boards where I've posted, and in all my college and graduate school applications.
I'm sure that some quiet fanatic in this insane government knows who I am.
Being known as anti-government doesn't scare me one whit. If the bastards apprehend me, I'll beat them senseless.
I never thought I'd be this full of rage in my middle age. I was bitterly angry in the Reagan & Bush years, resentful in the Republican obstructionist years of Clinton, began to rage during the Lewinsky scandal, and it's only gotten worse over time as I've sensed the calculating nature of conservative & neocon assaults on pluralism of ideology in this country.
When I think of the neocons and their supporters I just want to kick in doors and break heads.
I'm not kidding.
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:53 PM
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11. Time to take a break and read some
Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. , not that I'm not full of rage and frustration at all the same things you mention. Just have to put in perspective how we can finally prevail. We've tried by voting, and that didn't work. Now it's time we organize for nonviolent resistance, which scares me, since I've seen all the movies and actual footage on what happens to people who nonviolently resist regimes like this one.

As far as being on "the List", no doubt they are making them fast and furious. Even the so-called great election reform ended up making individual citizens reveal our contributions to candidates above $200, along with our employer and address, etc. That's a list for a political dictator to take to the bank, so to speak.

They start with voting list purges, if unchecked they will start purging voters, especially with someone like Gonzales in charge. Right now everyone who has openly opposed * is endangered because the administration has proved that they have no regard for human life (shock and awe = killing innocent civilians), the Constitution, or the Rule of Law.

Where we can have hope is that half of the nation, if we are to believe the vote counts in this election, is one hell of a lot of people to try to purge and get away with it.

"As you know, if I were standing at the beginning of time, with the possibility of general and panoramic view of the whole human history up to now, and the Almighty said to me, "Martin Luther King, which age would you like to live in?" — . . . . If you allow me to live just a few years in the second half of the twentieth century, I will be happy."

Now that's a strange statement to make, because the world is all messed up. The nation is sick. Trouble is in the land. Confusion all around. That's a strange statement. But I know, somehow, that only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars. And I see God working in this period of the twentieth century in a away that men, in some strange way, are responding — something is happening in our world. The masses of people are rising up. And wherever they are assembled today, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa; Nairobi, Kenya; Accra, Ghana; New York City; Atlanta, Georgia; Jackson, Mississippi; or Memphis, Tennessee — the cry is always the same — "We want to be free."

. . . .But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up to the early thirties, and see a man grappling with the problems of the bankruptcy of his nation. And come with an eloquent cry that we have nothing to fear but fear itself.

. . . .And another reason that I'm happy to live in this period is that we have been forced to a point where we're going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the demand didn't force them to do it. Survival demands that we grapple with them. Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence.

From: I've Been to the Mountaintop, speech by Martin Luther King, 4/3/68 (The night before he was killed). http://www.afscme.org/about/kingspch.htm
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:43 PM
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10. If true, why aren't we outraged about this?
These bastards pitched a fit when Hillary, allegedly, went after FBI files. Why can't we be equally outraged when they're doing far worse things?
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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:57 PM
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12. We are, in a way, but there's SO MUCH to be enraged about
with this administration, that it's nice to find something to laugh about (even as we fight it) because otherwise we'd all go nuts. We're outraged by election fraud possibilities, stripping of privacy rights, irresponsible fiscal policy, SENDING OUR SOLDIERS TO WAR ON LIES... need i go on? So with all this stuff to point out and fight, at least we can laugh when they track us fighting them.
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