Re: The "Obese people unite" thread...

[karlrschneider]

I've got on my asbestos suit, so gimme the flames... but this kind of stuff rattles my cage. If someone is obscenely fat, they have to realize one thing: You CAN NOT GET FAT WITHOUT EATING TOO MUCH. My sister went through a period of this sort of fatulence(sic). I went to St. Louis a few years ago and raised hell with her...she "claimed" she wasn't eating too much, some blather about 'hormones' and other bullshit. I looked in her fridge and found 2 gallons of ice cream, a box of doughnuts, 4 packages of bologna, and 3 leftover containers of mac & cheese. I threw all that shit out and bought vegetables & fruit at the farmer's market & stayed 2 weeks, forcing her to eat nothing but those. She lost 19 pounds during that time and now is back down to 120.

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE to gain excessive weight without pigging out on unhealthy, calorie/fat laden food. Can't happen. I'm sick of hearing whining fatties blaming their obesity on everyone and everything but their own gluttonus selves. Bah.

I'm in Oklahoma...about the Reddest of the Red states...where the prospect of 'gay marriage' is more frightening than an impending impact with a large asteroid, and has the highest divorce rate of any state in whatever's left of the Union. And I go to the store and I see the most grotesquely obese women imaginable. Seriously...a lot of them have butts as wide as a railroad car. Almost. Well, shit, I just got on a tear...but don't forget this: It is IMPOSSIBLE to gain more weight than that of the food that's consumed.

:grr:

[AuntPatsy]

1. Big deal? If people are comfortable with themselves having

weight on them, I don't see how it is anyone else's business?

[raggedcompany]

3. this is how it's someone else's business

I'm not trying to hurt any feelings here, but I'm pretty sick of being literally sat on in the subway, on buses, and in airplanes. really, it's not cool, and it happens all the time.

[AuntPatsy]

8. ??? I am sorry but I seem to be having a communication problem

I still don't see how someone's weight can possibly bother you? If you don't like sitting next to someone overweight, then don't? By your logic, if seeing red heads offends my eyesight, than perhaps I should encourage them all to dye their hair...

Thats just plain silly, honestly...

[raggedcompany]

22. no, you don't see, do you?

this is how it goes:
I get a seat on the subway. Other people take seats. The last empty seat next to me, that's the one where the problem starts. See, a lot..not all..but a lot of fat people think they can fit there, or knowing that they can't really fit there, they do so anyway because they have a right to sit, no matter how uncomforable it makes the people they literally squash. So they jam themselves in, and I have two choices: I can either be sat upon for the remainder of my ride home, or I can stand. Now how the hell is that right? I'm not the problem there.

Or on a plane: I take my seat on a full flight. large person takes the seat next to me, spills his giant leg fat and arm into me and my space, so that we are in contact no matter how I move in my seat. If I want out of this lousy position, I have to make a scene by demanding a new seat.

that's how it goes.

Now I'm not looking to hurt feelings here, but let's be clear: obesity does affect other people.

[AuntPatsy]

26. Thats bullshit and you know it, you just don't happen to like

people that are a bit overweight, it is your problem not thiers, so you deal with it as you see "fit" as will they...

[Pithlet]

28. Oh, and this.

"Now I'm not looking to hurt feelings here, but let's be clear: obesity does affect other people."

Yeah, and so do jerks. Loudmouth assholes have been much more annoying to me on flights then anyone else. Assholery raises the blood pressure of people around them affected by their opinionated rantings. That, to me, is a liability.

[Pithlet]

2. You missed the point of that thread.

Even if everything you say is absolutely true, it does not give anyone the right to treat them with hate and scorn. No one gets a pass for being an asshole because they perceive that their target brought it on themselves.

[karlrschneider]

7. I wasn't applying hate or scorn on anyone, I don't believe...what I was

trying to project was my own lack of sympathy for the whining I've noticed from people who want everyone else to have sympathy for a condition brought on by their own behavior.

I fly planes for a living (not a commercial airline, but the principle applies nontheless)...a 300 pound passenger is a liability to the trip, the other passengers and safety in general. There is, to put it bluntly, no rational reason for a human being to allow him/herself to become an indecent blob.

[AuntPatsy]

11. Their by the Grace of God Go I.....careful, sometimes words have

a way of coming back at ya. Thats rude and nothing I have not heard before and one of the reasons we have so many people going around nearly starving themselves to death for fear of being judged as you seem to be doing....

I think your wrong, dead wrong to feel as you do, its not your body, not your life, and that kind of talk hurts people's feelings for no other reason than an inability to look past one's own nose so to speak...

[carlvs]

21. And the fact the he opened this new thread...

instead of posting his comments in the one he is refering to seems to indicate to me that he is somewhat of a coward too!

[karlrschneider]

37. Coward? Come visit me in Snug Harbor, just north of Wagoner, OK

on Ft. Gibson Lake. Everyone around here knows where I live...just ask.
I'll buy you a beer.

[Pithlet]

20. "Indecent blob""

You, scornful? Never!

[Turn CO Blue]

4. It's a form of self-medication complicated by:

1. the sheer addictiveness of the sugar+white flour combo (it's like heroine!)

2. a lack of understanding/education of nutrition and just how great nutritious food can taste and make one feel.

[babylonsister]

6. Heroine, as in Scarlett O'Hara?

[Turn CO Blue]

12. Nope, heroin. Tee Hee.

[ally_sc]

14. amen sister with re:white flour

Sugar and white flour products are the number one offenders...sugar sets up a physical craving, and the withdrawals are hell.
I know there is a lot of prejudice out there with re: to obese indviduals. That is unfortunate.
But first you must stop the binge cycle. Interesting thread and one I did not expect to find on this board.

[Pithlet]

43. And, these days, those ingredients

are in just about everything. Unless you cook everything from scratch, which is more time consuming, not to mention expensive, it is VERY hard to avoid those things, or even reduce them in your diet.

[babylonsister]

5. I cannot believe

you had the unmitigated balls to call your sister 'obscenely fat' because she's 20# overweight. And she put up with that shit? You either have a very good relationship or she's skeered of ya.
And I wonder how old you are. I'm married to a guy who went from 160# soaking wet to pushing 200, all in the name of age (well, and beer).

[karlrschneider]

16. My balls are very much unmitigated, thank you verymuch...

She was about SEVENTY pounds 'overweight' when I went up there...as I said, she lost 19 lb. while I was there...SINCE THEN, she lost about 50 more. We do have a good relationship, and there's a lot more to the story...her husband of 22 years (& 2 kids later) left her to go live with a drag queen...apparently he was one of many people I've come to know in my 60 years who've hidden their true identity by marrying and
fathering children. Shit happens, I suppose.

[allalone]

50. have y'all been on Jerry Springer yet?

[EstimatedProphet]

9. So tell me then

Are you a better person than me?
Are you a superior strain of human because you keep your weight at what society tells you to?
See, because that's what I'm tired of. I'm tired of the fact that, rather than letting me be happy with who I am, some damn prick always seems to need their ego gratified by treating me like I'm less of a person.
Are you not aware of the fact that, even though it may be impossible to gain more weight than the mass of food consumed, that doesn't mean it is impossible to keep those calories stored, even while exercising heavily and consuming very little? You sound like you are.
Is this just an excuse to hate people, because society says you can't be racist or bigoted so you have to take it out on someone? It is for some people, and that is what I am sick of, and I refuse to live my life to satisfy someone's "standards" who's so psychologically small that they have to have someone to beat up in order to feel good.

[karlrschneider]

27. I apologize for anything I said that offends you. No I have no idea if I

am a 'better person' than you. It's unlikely, because I'm pretty much a nasty sonofabitch. And I don't hate anybody (well, perhaps with the exception of a certain pResident)...but that been said, I must take issue with your following point: "storing calories" is a red herring.
If one has a buildup of fat (calories), the only way to get rid of that potential energy is to burn it. Are you challenging the physics of my position? It doesn't make me "feel good" to make these comments...rather, I would hope they'd galvanize someone with the obesity problem to actually DO something about it. I am an engineer and a scientist, I know the thermodynamics of both inorganic and organic systems, so please do not patronize me. There is no way to become overly obese unless the subject eats too much. It's just that simple.
If that fact offends you, well...what can I say?

[AuntPatsy]

29. Again, I say your full of it, I eat whatever the hell I want, in fact

while on this computer, I have gorged on chips, chocolate kisses, tuna fish, cake and cashews, cappaciono and ice tea, I swear to you, and I weight around 105 and have for the past eighteen years since giving birth to my last child...

Give me a break, its genetics and has nothing to do with eating for many...so give it up...

[Pithlet]

34. Challenge

The only way to get rid of that potential energy is to burn it. But, a factor you're completely ignoring is efficiency. There are many different medical conditions and medicines that can screw with the very complex ways the body does this. We aren't talking about something as straightforward as man made machinery. Scientists still don't' even fully understand that process. So, how you can just blithely make assumptions about such a complicated and not fully understood process goes beyond me.

[Digit]

48. Ah, you're an engineer, that explains everything.

You see everything in black and white, it is or it isn't. Guess what? Life is not always that way. There are shades of grey, and lots of them.
Please stop preaching hate and intolerance when you don't have a grasp of the variables.

[Digit]

10. Why not get your own house in order

before you cast stones.
You certainly lack tolerance considering you are on a DEM board.

[Pushed To The Left]

13. I guess religious discrimination should be legal

according to this logic. People choose their religions. They are not born with them, so I suppose it's okay to hate people of different religions. This is the same logic that the right-wing uses to justify anti-gay discrimination, even though I don't think gay people have a choice at all. It would be one thing to disagree on what causes people to gain weight, but this post appears to be full of hatred and prejudice that would make Fred Phelps proud.:wtf:

[karlrschneider]

35. Good God, man!!!!!!!! You have COMPLETELY misunderstood me!

I AM a gay man. That's not something I have any control over...but it's clear that I -do- have control over my own ponderance. I could sit on my butt all day and eat cheeseburgers and maybe get to 300 pounds...that would be a CHOICE. I say that one's sexual orientation is innate, which I imagine you would admit is a legitimate claim...yet you are apparently making a case that being morbidly obese is equivalent...??
Sorry, I don't get it...
:eyes:

[chefgirl]

15. You started this shit before, a few months ago

I vividly remember that thread. You trashed your own sister, said the MOST vile things about her and generally got off on slamming obese people over and over again.

And now in this thread you said:

>>It is physically IMPOSSIBLE to gain excessive weight without pigging out on unhealthy, calorie/fat laden food.<<

You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Just running your mouth behind your fucking computer screen.

BAH! Indeed.

-chef-

[AuntPatsy]

19. Interesting that this thread seems to be a repeat of something

so vile as to redicule your own flesh and blood on a message board for all the world to see, a severe character flaw is obviously more than evident...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

39. And he got banned for it I believe

some people never learn tolerance. At his age you'd think he'd have some wisdom.

[chefgirl]

45. From what I've seen

Blind, uninformed prejudice trumps tolerance and wisdom every time.

-chef-

[WildClarySage]

17. My guess is that with that much anger in you

there's no room for eating anything.

[blue neen]

18. You know what. There are other reasons people gain weight.

I have to take seizure meds and a KNOWN side effect is weight gain.
I gained 15 pounds, but some people gain as much as 35 pounds.

I'm not experiencing discrimination or anything like that because I still only weigh 135. My point is, I definitely do not eat any more that I used to, but this happened to me anyhow.

[Pithlet]

23. Maybe there should be little signs or shirts to wear

so people like the OP can know when to properly feel self righteous disgust.

[blue neen]

30. I give up. I think he just doesn't get it.

There are plenty of meds that cause people to gain weight. I had a friend who was receiving cancer treatment and had to take steroids for numerous chemo-induced problems. She gained about 50 pounds from steroids alone. You can be sure she wasn't eating much!

[AuntPatsy]

32. Thats definately true, my sister is on chemo right now and the

meds she has to take along with it has severly increased her weight and she is one of those who get very depressed when someone mentions it, I really get upset at people that comment so openly about the reasons someone is a bit overweight, it's NONE of their business why period!

[DeadHead67]

24. I was a FAT BOY . . . .

. . .In fact I'm still a fat boy. Were YOU ever a FAT BOY. It's lot's of fun, especially when you are a child among a lot of really witless and cruel children your age. 'Fatty, Fatty, Two by Four can't get through the bathroom door. . .' Get the picture? And now that I'm pushing sixty years old, things really haven't changed a bit. Fat=BAD, Thin=Good. I've been on a fucking diet since I was in the fourth grade. While the other kids ate Peanut Butter/Jelly, I walked home for salad and tomato soup. I still buy everything I can in low fat or NO fat, and eat TWO moderate to small meals a day and snack very little. I'm still a FAT BOY!!! What can I say? By the way, I'm not blaming anyone, nor am I WHINING.

[freeplessinseattle]

25. whoa, what is eating you? pun intended but this is not funny

what the hell is wrong with you? are you also homophobic? flip off long-haired hippies? spit at people who's fashion sense you disagree with?

what you need is a mirror, and just look into your eyes, the most character evident part of the body, and maybe you'll find an answer there

[karlrschneider]

40. I guess you're fairly new here. I'm an old gay phart. I've been through

more shit that you probably can even imagine. Most DUers know me for being wrenchingly honest. I don't bullshit anybody. (And I was a long haired hippy back in the late 60s, if you want to see my passport pic from then, just say so, I'll scan & put it on my little webspace)
http://home.valornet.com/krs/index.html

It isn't there yet but I can ftp it...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

41. As an old gay phart you should know something about intolerance

then again, maybe you don't.

[WildClarySage]

46. "wrenchingly honest"

or just meanspirited?

[laruemtt]

31. having a couple of close friends and

a sister who are obese, and witnessing the inner turmoil they go through, i can't imagine anyone saying the cold and cruel things you said. a person's weight is only a tiny part of that person. you reveal so much about yourself by focusing on that one tiny aspect. you need a goal of seeing the bigger picture. good grief, we're dealing with a megalomanical pResident who could bring about the end of the world as we know it. we don't need to be divisive about something like a person's weight. maybe pray for a little understanding and compassion.

[distantearlywarning]

33. You know what I really hate?

When stupid people sit next to me on the bus and try to engage me in stupid conversation. I think I should have the right to not have to sit next to or interact with stupid people.

Why can't we force those idiots to go to school and get a real education so us smart people don't have to be forced to put up with their inanity? All it would take is reading a few books sometime instead of watching reality television.

I really can't understand why these lazy idiots just don't turn off their televisions and get an education. If they can't be bothered to even keep up with current events, why should I be bothered to be nice to them?

Next time I'm on the bus, I'm going to use my god-given right to have an anti-stupidity zone around me by loudly mocking people who aren't as smart as I am. That will show them and the rest of the world how wonderful I am, and hopefully shame them into living up to my standards (perfect person that I am).

*In case anyone was wondering, the above was sarcasm. Although I really don't like it when strangers try to make inane conversation with me, I generally try not to make them feel bad about themselves. It's called compassion and understanding.*

[Barney Rocks]

36. actually, it IS

possible to gain weight even on a normal diet--and there are some people who do have metabolic problems that impact their weight. My significant other has a pHd in nutrition--and studied weight loss, fat etc.

These problems are thought to be fairly rare--but that is because we rarely test for some of these problems. In fact, it can be hard to even get a doctor to test for common metabolic problems--such as thyroid imbalance--which my sister has (she is VERY thin and cannot gain weight no matter what she does--weighs about 90 pounds--so it goes both ways. She eats fast food every day--and hasn't exercised in years--and she is extremely skinny). Thyroid problems run in my family--I also have an aunt with an overactive thyroid--she weighs 86 pounds--this is a terrible problem. YES metabolic factors CAN impact your weight. It is not a simple equation of calories in--that is just the simple explanation and does not tell the whole story. I know people who can eat 7000 calories a day--and never gain a pound. I know one poor man who subsists on 1200-1500 calories a day--he is a large man--6 foot two and solid built--and he cannot lose a pound!. And no--he didn't cheat on the diet--this was when he was under observation at a nutrition center.

I agree that MANY overweight people eat too much--but definitely NOT all. Metabolic problems DO afflict people, and they are more common than we admit. Besides--there is a range of healthy weights.

I am at a great weight, I feel that I am just right for my height and age--my body fat % is in the excellent range for my age and height--but according the the BMI I could lose 10-15 pounds. Of course--BMI does not realize that those are pounds of muscle!!! I have hardly any fat on my body--so I do not feel a need to lose weight! And I look great.

It does not bother me one bit to see people who are overweight. In fact, the best relationship I ever had was with a person who was about 30-40 pounds overweight--they were a fantastic person (died in an auto accident) and I had no issues with their weight whatsoever. But I do hate judgemental people.

I can't tell you how many times someone would say to me--oh its too bad about so-and so--what a nice person--but they will probably be overweight for their whole life--how can you stand being with someone like that? Well--when people pulled that crap with me--I cut them out of my life.

I know that there are plans to make this the next big issue for the liberal crowd-and I just want to say right now--count me out.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

38. Isn't this why you got banned THE LAST TIME?

:eyes:

[karlrschneider]

42. No. It was because I had Jewish friends.

Happy?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

44. Huh?

don't get your cryptic humor.

[allalone]

47. you sound like such a joy to be around

unless your sister is only 3 ft tall she couldn't have been obscenely fat at 139 lbs.

[Pithlet]

49. He's honest

Didn't you see that in his thread? Just being honest. That makes it okay, then, doesn't it? Everyone is so untrue.

[Moderator]

51. I'm locking this thread

reason :

Flamebait , continuation of another thread .