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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:45 AM
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Need some info from my fellow Military DUers...
Can anyone provide statistics comparing the Military Draw-down under the Clinton and Bush Administrations? I would like to do the research myself, but bandwidth is limited on-board. Thanks much.
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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:49 AM
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1. No info here,,
I just wanted to say Hi and wish you well!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:58 AM
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2. nevermind
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 12:59 AM by DS1
i looked closer, it's slanted as hell
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:03 AM
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3. Here's total military spending by year
Year US World US as percent of world

1988 426.8 910 46.9
1989 422.1 906 46.6
1990 403.7 884 45.7
1991 354.3 844 n/a
1992 374.4 785 47.7
1993 354.8 762 46.6
1994 334.5 740 45.2
1995 315.1 707 44.6
1996 298.1 691 43.1
1997 296.5 696 42.6
1998 289.7 690 42.0
1999 290.5 696 41.7
2000 301.7 723 41.7
2001 304.1 741 41.0
2002 335.7 784 42.8
2003 399.1 - -

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/military-US-world.php

don't know if that helps
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:07 AM
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4. The Clinton "draw down"
...was simply the extension of a plan that had already been implemented by SECDEF Cheney, to be executed over the course of a decade to align the force strength with the perceived and anticipated threat in conjunction with newer, less troop intensive warfighting methods (air war of GW1, e.g.). It was all a part of targeted force reductions using "force shaping tools" (up or out, overweight, TERA--temporary early retirement authority, PT failures, increased standards, raising exam qualification scores, etc.). The goal was to reduce the personnel load, because personnel is the most expensive line item in the budget, and infrastructure, the second most expensive line item, and increase use of contracted civilians, who do not get retirement pensions and you aren't responsible for their families. Also, the force reductions were aligned with, and implemented in conjunction with BRAC (Base realignment and closure) efforts by the Congress.

The thing to understand is that the plan was well underway, and saving a huge chunk of the budget, before Clinton ever came into office. In a peacetime environment, it made perfect sense. It was a lot like the demobbing that happened post WW2...of course, to the shock of many WW2 vets, when Korea came along, they were dragged back into the game.

Statistics do not tell the whole story, and are really unimportant because the idea was based on a continuum that was designed, from start to finish, to create a more lithe and flexible force structure. You need to go back as far as the very start of BUSH 1 to gain context. Just so you know, the planning was well underway and execution had already been started before the Berlin Wall even fell. It was inevitable--we were spending like, dare I say, drunken Sailors. It had to stop. This was accomplished first by horizontal cuts (everyone had to automate what they could and chop billets, or have them chopped by the senior personnel authorities) and then, later, when the savings weren't deep enough, by vertical restructuring (major command consolidations, function consolidations, base closures, and the reduction in the size of the Navy from almost 600 ships to around 300, e.g.).

Of course, now that so much cash is flowing to DoD, you have to wonder how much, and what percentage, is being diverted to blackops. I'm guessing the percentage is way up there. And when kids die or are seriously wounded, it gets expensive. We aren't saving anything nowadays...least of all lives, sadly enough.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:04 AM
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5. Brilliant...
...That's just the kind of info I was looking for. I guess Statistcs was a poor choice of words. In your "force shaping tools", you can also include Perform To Serve. Thanks.
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