legal help to go after Hagel

[Omaha Steve]

I live in Nebraska. Our Senator is so dirty he is written up in the black box voting book. We need a lawyer that will go after him. Here is a link to the chapter he stars in:- Conflict of Interest Chapter 03

[wurzel]

1. Is this Chuck Hagel? I thought he was one of the few good Republicans.

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Nope. Chuck Hagel was Voted Into the Senate MUCH to ...

...the Nebraskans' utmost shock.

I guess that him being the CEO of Election Systems & Software (ES&S) that was used in his own race back then, had nothing to do with it?

For the record, he's no longer CEO of ES&S.

Yeah. Right. And I'm gullible and dumb enough to believe that Bush won either of his terms honestly.

[hannah]

3. I heard Hagel

won his election with 82% of the vote on his new voting machines. It was totally unheard of, he was virtually an unknown at the time of election.......

[BlueCaliDem]

4. You Heard Correctly. It STUNNED everyone, when it should've...

...made them ask pertinent questions, and demand answers.

The Democrats have been WAAAY to lacks in holding their colleagues across the aisle under a microscope.

WAAAY too lacks, and now whole of non-Bush-Koolaid-Drinking America is paying for it.

[Omaha Steve]

5. so....

How do we go after him legally in Nebraska? Then we need a lawyer that would take up the case while discounting the fees. Bev knows all the dirt.

[BlueCaliDem]

7. Some Little-Known Facts About Hagel and ES&S...

...Here is a link dated January 2003 regarding the connection between Sen. Chuck Hagel, and Election Systems & Software, of which he was CEO, and still has interest in the company.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

I don't know what can still be done about it, but Bev is on the up and up on this as well, and perhaps it will be brought forward if we can ever get a court to take on Election Fraud 2004.

[NEDem]

9. That's complete BULLSHIT!

We don't vote on machines in Nebraska, we vote on paper ballots. The counting machines are old and have nothing to do with him.

Hagel is popular here because he IS one of the good guys. Yeah I'm a liberal Dem who may not agree with him all the time, but he's a damn good senator.

We have much more important stuff to worry about than some ridiculous scheme to go after Hagel, maybe we should consider the alternatives to Hagel, like Stenberg for instance. Get real and spend some time worrying about more important issues than suing a good senator.

On edit:
Furthermore, he won 82% of the vote, and there was nothing shocking about it, nobody in this state was even close to being "stunned" by his victory. His opponent was some nobody from the western part of the state, who didn't raise any money and didn't even mount a real campaign. I don't have any clue what the guy's name was. I guess I'm "stunned" that Hagel only got 82%.

[Omaha Steve]

10. Hagel's first opponent was Hoppner

Hoppner had Senator Bob Kerry and lot's of money. It was a big upset according to the polls at the time! That included the Omaha World Herald that owns part of ES&S. Nebraska does use optical scan machines which are also very easy to put the fix into. Read the books! I do believe he put in the fix on himself. Nobody ever heard of him before he said he was running. Why do you think he wants to run for President in 08?

[NEDem]

14. still think its BS

You said "Nobody ever heard of him before he said he was running." I happen to have first hand knowledge that Bob Kerry's campaign was very happy to find out that Jan Stoney was going to run against him during his last term ('94). At that time they were concerned about this guy named Chuck Hagel jumping into the race. I know this to be a fact. I also know more about this, but cannot discuss it. For those of us who have been involved in the party for a long time, we'd always wondered when he would come back here and run.

"Nebraska does use optical scan machines which are also very easy to put the fix into." That would be hard to do when all Election Commissioners in the state were Dems at the time. They had all been appointed by then Gov. Ben Nelson.

The 82% was for his re-election, Hoppner ran against him for his initial election, and I was involved in Hoppner's campaign. Hoppner ran a good campaign, but in the end Hagel was an R and a Vietnam hero with a brain I don't remember specific numbers, but it was not landslide. The token opponent thrown up by the Dems to run against Hagel for his re-election was a joke, and frankly, by then He had proved himself to be someone who could be trusted by the vast majority of the people of the state.

"Why do you think he wants to run for President in 08?" I'm a fan of conspiracy theories, however I don't see one this time. I don't think he has any chance AT ALL of making it through the primaries, he'll be eaten alive by the fundies.

Since you asked, I think he wants to run because he genuinely gives a damn about the country.

I am one of those Dems who generally votes a straight ticket, and did before I moved down here. I've voted for former Rep Beureuter(sp) a couple times and Sen Hagel's re-election as my lone Rep votes. And if the Dems throw another token up against him, I'll vote for him again too. Why? Because I happen to believe he's real and actually cares. Talk to people who have been around a while, they'll tell you he's been running for President since he was elected to the Senate, it's no surprise that he's going to run.

I'm not saying I completely comfortable with his connection to BBV, but I find it hard to believe he'd be involved in any manner you're trying to assert.

[Ms. Toad]

16. Thank you.

I've made these points here before, as a former Nebraskan with liberal activist friends and relatives who still live there, but the points falls on deaf ears in this forum.

When I mention the stolen election theory to these relatives with liberal credentials stretching back more than 50 years (who voted for Hagel), their response is universally, "They haven't talked to any Nebraska democrats, have they."

Most of the posts I have seen in this forum have been out of state folks whose only information about Hagel comes from BBV folks. It is nice to have additional information posted here from someone on the ground in Nebraska.

[NEDem]

19. Its hard to get through to some people

There are people who are so convinced that there is some conspiracy that its impossible to get them to understand that even though the people in this state are Repub voters, they know a crook when they see one. Its hard to push a whole bunch of bullshit over on us before we catch on. (I don't know how to explain ** re-election this month. I have my theories on that, but this isn't the forum for it)

Hagel is a damn good Senator, and until I have hard and concrete proof he's not, I'll stand up for him when I think he's being unfairly attacked.

[ISUGRADIA]

17. Uh, dude, his first opponent was not Hoppner

it was Ben Nelson in 1996. Maybe you should "read the books".

[NEDem]

18. You're right

I've worked on so many campaigns, that its easy to get them all mixed up. I dug out my campaign souvenir box and found some "Nelson for Senate '96" stickers. I forgot he'd run once before he got elected. Hoppner ran for Governor to replace Nelson. ooops.

But since I'm not leveling completely fabricated charges, I'm not the one who needs to worry that much about it.

[ISUGRADIA]

21. Just an FYI, I was not dissing you

I was replying to Omaha Steve's Reply 10. If he is going to know so sure that an election was fixed it might be good for him to know who actgually ran.

[Omaha Steve]

11. To NEDem

How do you think the paper ballots here are counted? It is done on a machine. To make matters worse, our legislature outlawed by hand vote counts a few years ago. So the optical scan rules until the law is changed back.

[Omaha Steve]

12. also

Hagel also LIED about his ownership on his discloser statement.

[leesa]

13. No. Got himself elected via voter fraud using his OWN company!

[wurzel]

15. I have never heard of this.

You mean Hagel sold election machines to his State. He then ran for the Senate for his State. And won it based on the vote count of the machines he provided.

[NEDem]

20. You've never heard it, because it's BS.

[RBHam]

22. You protest too much...

Hagel is a crook.

Live with it.

[OKNancy]

6. Hagel was Chairman of the

Board, not CEO. Also the 83% figure was for his re-election. Unfortunately for us, Hagel is very popular in Nebraska.
Also there is absolutely no proof of any hanky-panky in either of the elections.

[BlueCaliDem]

8. Hagel was Owner, Chairman AND CEO...

...of ES&S and even today, holds "interest" in his corporation.

Here the link:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm