I just saw the College Republicans whining on CNN Headline News.

[Malebolgia]

They were whining that, since most students in college are Democrats, they cannot share their beliefs for fear of being verbally attacked and shunned by the college and their peers. :nopity:

:wtf:

They were also whining about how their professors are always complaining about Bush and how the war in Iraq is all about oil, etc. The girl that was interviewed said she's sick of it. :nopity:

She was also bitching because the college repukes can't protest against gays but College Democrats can protest against the Iraq War/Bush. :nopity:

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Now, who in the hell feels sorry for her and the college republicans? I certainely don't give a shit. We have a reason to protest Bush and the Iraq war. The College Republicans have no reason to protest against homosexuals!

What do they expect? Colleges and college professors around the country want to move this country in a forward direction, not backwards.

[NC_Nurse]

1. If you want to stay stoopid

why go to college?

[yardwork]

2. College Republicans getting a lot of bad press in NC and other states

because their organization raises a lot of money from elderly patients in nursing homes. Turns out that the College Republicans send flyers in the names of dozens of pretend organizations, and they've been bleeding a lot of 80 and 90 year olds who didn't realize who they were give to or how much they were giving.

When Republicans get caught cheating they turn on the pity-party.

[Sugarbleus]

8. LOL@ Male and eleny for their aptly placed emoticons....

Yes, there is an awfully LOT of scamming going on .. I'm just now finding that out. It's a true scandal......hell, IT'S A CRIME for pete's sake.

Screw the College Republicans!!! Liberal/Free thinking students should get in their face and scare those bloody scoundrels right off the campus!!

[noamnety]

3. Must be hard for them

Not being allowed to have bigot rallies must be rough.

[eleny]

4. Ever the victims

[flygal]

37. I endured four years of repug Business school professors..

Had one guy for a whole year of "Billary" - the only bus. Prof I had that was liberal didn't make tenure. I'll never forget listening to "lectures" about how bad the economy is due to women in the workforce - WTF?!! Thank God I had a lot of classes that balanced it out - not like I couldn't think for myself.
But victims?!! oh boo hoo repugs!! I love your crying icon!!!!

[librechik]

49. next time you post, check out the "smilies lookup table" just above

the subject line--that is your icon too! (among others)

[teach1st]

5. Dang those smart people and their confounded book learning...

...they even tried to teach us evolution and anthropology! Next thing they'll tell us that Jesus really liked peace and tolerance.

But one question, perhaps as devil's advocate, perhaps not. I don't know the details, but why shouldn't college Republicans be able to demonstrate (appropriately) against gay rights?

[strykerzero]

16. Arent teachers supposed to be apolitical

Jesus DID preach Peace and tolerance (just read any of the first 5 books of the new testament) Its the "organized" church that hijacked Christianity and preached oppression of non-believers. Bad Things always happen when "leaders" let their influence go to their heads.

Its perfectly acceptable for students to be highly vocal about their political beliefs but personally I feel teachers need to try to be apolitical. If you don't agree with your teacher, your become too scared to speak out against him/her for fear of getting graded badly as a result.

[teach1st]

17. Depends on the grade level...

...I take pains to be politically balanced (I present both sides without telling my opinion) at the grade level I teach - 5th grade. But I had no problems with my high school teachers telling me how great the Vietnam War was. I was able to debate with them and at high school age, no teacher was going to sway my thinking without having a good argument.

College instructors should have wide academic freedom. It's a time to stretch minds. My college courses had many more professors who I considered conservative than liberal, but I didn't complain.

EDIT: I'm not aware of nor have I experienced a teacher who graded based on whether or not a student agreed or disagreed with him or her. Those who would do so are bad teachers and need to change or be removed.

[teach1st]

20. By the way, I got in some trouble this year...

...when I told my kids that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Seems that almost all my students thought he did it.

Was that being fact based or was that being politically biased?

Being politically neutral is not cut and dry. I know conservative instructors who insist they only use fact based materials in their lessons. Sometimes what we know about facts change.

Students at college level should be able to handle poliitcally charged instruction and be able to make up their own minds.

[Elidor]

31. There is nothing politically biased about the unvarnished truth

Politically biased is refusing to acknowledge the truth.

[strykerzero]

34. *Socrates impersonation*

What is truth? How do you know that is true?

[Bridget Burke]

18. No, they aren't.

We're not talking about 5th grade civics here.

Beyond the very basic survey level class, professors often express definite opinions. They may or not be political--but there are controversies in many fields & academics do take sides.

In my checkered academic career, I've figured out what most professors dislike most: The dumb uncomprehending stares returned by all too many students--the ones whose only question is: "Will this be on the test?" Opinions & questions are generally welcomed, unless they're regurgitated Limbaugh swill.

[immoderate]

19. Non sequiter.

Teachers are supposed to have academic freedom. They can have opinions. Hiding them does not protect students who have opposite views.

A good teacher stimulates debate and acts as moderator regardless of the views they hold. Documenting student contributions, or lack of them is the way to maintain integrity.


--IMM

[strykerzero]

23. Clarrification (retort)

I have no opposition to anything you said in your first paragrapgh.

HOWEVER. Being a teacher is a position of honor and influence. Using the classroom as a pulpit is IMO an abuse of your influence. The minute they call another student "wrong" or insults them due to their poltical views thwey have stepped over the line.

Ex.
My history teacher called me a "stupid religious nutjob" because I used my faith to explain my view on an issue.

If I were to respond to that insult in kind, how can i be sure my "academically free" teacher wont use his freedom and lower my grade in the class?

Yes, A good teacher moderates. But they need to tread carefully so that they cannnot be viewed as intimadating their students.

@ the "depends on the grade comment"
its easy to fall back on that line. but where do you draw it? Science has shown that people develop mentally at different rates.

[teach1st]

28. If your professor said that...

...he or she should have been given consequences or fired. That's just unprofessional behavior.

I speak for the norm - there are always exceptions.

As to where one draws the line when revealing personal opinions during instruction, that too has to be applied to the norm. Too much attention on the individual differences in development can hinder instruction. For example, is it wise to forgo teaching algebra or any skill or concept in fifth grade simply because a few students might not be ready for it?

It's a matter of fairness, not political orientation. I don't hear conservatives complaining abut politically conservative teachers who speak out about their views. Even if there aren't as many conservative professors, there are some. By the same token, I don't like to hear complaints from liberals about conservative professors.

[immoderate]

29. I agree with "tread carefully"

And I generally would withhold my opinions in the classroom. As much as possible I wanted it to be their show. I taught every grade. K-college. And my students got to know me and I treated them all the same.

My students were able to guess which side of an issue I would come down on. Sometimes I would sum up a discussion with my reasoning on a topic. My student knew that I wasn't judgmental about them and felt free to voice their opinions. They were graded on the integrity of their work, not on their opinions.

I had one student (Jr. High level) who was actually a little fascist (no kidding) who thought that Hitler did great things for his people. He used to come to my class most afternoons when I was cleaning up to discuss various things. His sister, who was also my student, thought he was crazy. She was one of my monitors. They were from Ecuador and I was fond of both of them. She became a teacher, and visited me when she got appointed.

To sum up, it's possible to have opinions and still treat students with dignity and integrity. I like to think I had their trust.

--IMM

[Laelth]

48. I don't know the facts, here ...

... but I seriously doubt she and her group were prohibited from protesting against gays. More likely, she's afraid to protest against gays because she would rightly be labeled a homophobe.

... but I'm just guessing.

-Laelth

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Why the hell is she on TV moaning and groaning

she should be Iraq fighting for her leader.

[charlie]

7. Same old hackneyed song and dance

They learn it young don't they? The first two stages in becoming a modern Republican are nuturing a persecution complex that can't assuaged by any amount of power, privelege, or money, and developing a free-floating resentment that attaches to new targets like static cling. They'll make fine new dittoheads.

[NuttyFluffers]

26. exactly, it's that annoying persecution complex.

and they are the loudest, most disruptive, silencing group on my campus. and they bitch and moan about being 'oppressed.' wished they'd grow the @#$%#$% up and believe a bit of their own propaganda and stop being the victim. no one ever bothers them, but they have such a stick up their arse they feel that everyone is shouting them down, so they must pre-emptively shout everyone else down.

bastards, pure and simple. utter bastards. one day the wall of civility, tolerance, and kindness will fall down. they will not like that day for their victims have been many and much grievance has been accrued.

[mcscajun]

9. Aww...poor, poor babies!

Fuck 'em.

They're cowards, is all. They can certainly speak out inside their colleges...they just can't stand the heat when they do.

And the crack about not being able to march against gays? I'll wager that was totally disingenuous...she doesn't want to march against gays...but it makes a great whine. (So do Ernest & Julio Gallo). <razz>

No sympathy for the Devil.:evilgrin:

[Osamasux]

10. But they're getting a lot of press mileage about it....

I've read it in the NY Times and already seen it three times on CNN and once on MSNBC, and I haven't been watching much lately. This garbage is getting lots of play, while the various Tom DeLay scandals, sneaking anti-abortion legislation into the funding bill and the Tom DeLay 'get out of jail free card' rule get precious little.

They themselves may be whining losers, but the wingnut movement as a whole is playing the press like a violin :nopity:. How did the press all 'just happen' to pick up on this story? These loser kids arranged all this PR? Hardly. None of this is an accident. The right is organized and put PR resources at the ready for every opportunity. Why aren't we working at getting more press?

[Nicholas_J]

11. Let them try

Protesting against gays could not only get them in trouble, it could get them arrested, as it would fall under hate crimes legislation in many states. They can legally attempt to define marriage, but they cannot protest against a group of people based on their personal characteristics.

On the other hand, it would be possible to protest against Fundamentalist Christian "Values" as being hate oriented.
Because tax dollars are spent on faith based intitiatives, such a protest is legal on the grounds that the government is supporting religious organizations.

It is very amusing, becasue given the fact that gays pay tuition and taxes, protests against them for personal private chices and behavior cannot be legally assaulted on government property. It is nice to see them squirm.

On the other hand protesting against the war, and objecting to it on the grouunds that ones tax money isbeing spent on this is a legitimate protest. No tax dollars are utilized to support any private gay behavior.

In fact I thnk it would be quite nice if gays started protesting against fundamentalist churches and their opposition to gay rights, as the churches are being supported by tax dollars that are paid for in part by gay citizens. There is nothing legal that these right wing morons could to to prevent it, while they would be prohibited from protesting against homosexuals, which is a violation against the civil rights of a minority. Sort of like trying to protest the existance and the rights afforded to blacks.

[AliciaKeyedUp]

40. I disagree here

They have every right to hate. It's constitutionally protected in fact. Colleges try to limit speech, but the Constitution is more liberal. (I love saying that and pissing off Repug coworker.)

[Nicholas_J]

54. Yes they have every right to hate

But legally, they cannot do so in a place tat is FUNDED with taxpayer dollars. That is the key. Private universities can bash gays all they want as long as they dont take a red cent of federal money, and even that is difficult because taking pell grnt money constitutes taking money. YOu can hate and discriminate legally all you want on your own dollar, but not with any public money. Thats the key here. They have less of a public forum and less access to a public forum and I think they should have their backs pusehd up against the wall using any method possible.

[wildwww2]

12. Sure the repukes have a reason to protest gays. It`s called hate.

Hate may not be a good reason to protest people. But it is a reason. Stupid as it may be. But there is not a living repuke I would not call stupid to his or her face. Including my fucked up family members. I told their stupid asses off four years ago when their party stole that election also. Too pussy to count votes but brave enough to demonize people who are different than their pompous asses. Makes for weak leadership if you have followers that only worry about key issues of their own hate. But then neglect what it takes for betterment of the whole country. Like not to poison us all with unfettered industrial pollution. Then they talk about being christians. Ha what a freaking sick joke. The Jesus I read about would not have anything to do with them. Except for maybe treat them like the merchants he kicked out of the temple.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[Ducks In A Row]

13. If they're so upset about protest against the war, they should enlist

and go to iraq and be in the war if they love it so much



fucking hypocrites

[AnIndependentTexan]

14. Anyone have a feeling this will be the new Black Surrogation?

Instead of blacks being Surrogated from colleges it will now be Republican only colleges. Democrats will be forced to be at the back of the busses. They will have Republican only restaurants and drinking fountains!

[B Calm]

15. College age republicans are standing in long lines at the recruiters

office to go fight in Iraq! well maybe not....

[NoPasaran]

21. Fuck them and the trust fund they rode in on!

Let them enlist and go fight in Il Dunce's glorious crusade if they're so goddamn patriotic. They can all eat shit and die as far as I'm concerned. :puke:

[GoldenOldie]

22. College Republicans or Swindler's

Are these the same College Republicans who conned senior citizens out of their money for support of George W. Bush and then banked it.

[KC_25]

24. I thought that freedom of speech was freedom of speech?

I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it..?
If we disallow them to hang themselves, (which is what they will do if they openly protest gays) are we no better than they that bitch, piss and moan about our protests, demonstrations?
Just a question.

[NoPasaran]

32. I fully support the rights

of these spoiled petulant nazi cocksuckers to do all the whining they want to do. I hope that soon they will have something real to whine about.

[The Backlash Cometh]

25. Remind them that they now own all 3 branches of government so

they lost whining rights.

[Cat Atomic]

27. I could point you at lots of REAL cases of political intimidation.

But they're almost always against liberals. CNN doesn't want to report on those, apparently. They must've really had to stretch to find a "poor down-trodden Republicans" story.

[Redleg]

30. David Horowitz has them convinced they are being oppressed on campuses.

I say bullshit to that.

[NVMojo]

33. we are stuck with their douche bag president ...do they wanna go to Iraq?

Send them!

[SoCalDem]

35. LIBERAL universities are their next "target"

radio...check
papers.....check
tv....check
voting machines....check
supreme court...check
the house......check
the senate....check
pollsters.....check
the white house....check

the next thing on the agenda is universities.. Catch people when their minds are still pliable enough, and you've got them for life.. marketers know this.. repubes are marketers

[pinniped]

36. College repukes can FOAD.

n/t

[SoCalDem]

38. Found a cute pinniped for you ...Love them too

[pinniped]

39. Thanks, cute little harbor seal.

Here's one doing a balancing act in Monterey Bay.

[fujiyama]

41. And they used to always say

minorities and the left play the victime card.

These people are no better than young fascist youth. Send these fuckers to IraQ!

[BlueStatesForever]

42. I used to hear this on a local Washington list I was on

There were only about a handful (20) of Republicans on the list. They would whine and cry that they were a picked-on minority. They couldn't post anything for fear that the others would bash it (and you know how Republicans feel about that anyone who doesn't agree with them. Any dissent is either unpatriotic or "picking on them").

Finally, the list owner (heart of gold, feet of clay) made a rule that we couldn't say anything to those poor Republicans and we couldn't say that the Divider was a moron (because it disrespects their vote!).

Pretty soon, the Republicans started coming out of the woodwork with things like "Swiftvet proof," etc, and no one could tell them no.

Finally, one woman posted all about how she voted Republican because her successful friends vote Republican. She felt it was smart to vote like them because they were obviously making the right decisions. She was basing their success on houses, driving Mercedes, etc (but who knows how much DEBT these people were in.) She also said her Republican friends really stood for what they believe in, while her Democratic friends seemed to have no courage of convictions.

Needless to say, I de-enlisted in the list.

Since then I've decided this behavior is a ploy. Pretend to be a victim to shut the other side up. This is what the right wing media has done all along. Accuse the MSM of being "liberal media". Repeat this often enough so citizens actually believe it, so that the mainstream falls all over itself trying to be "neutral". Meanwhile right wingers unapologetically do anything they want.

Off my soap box.

[SoCalDem]

46. Republican debt is actually quite funny..

Years ago I worked in a grocery store in the middle of RichRepubeVille, and you would be amazed at the number of checks for $20 that bounced.. They were driving BMWs, Cadillacs, Volvos , living in $500K houses, and couldn't clear a $20 check..nd as soon as we started accepting credit cards, they were sure up for using credit cards for groceries

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. The Gay Part Is Suprising..

Most of what I read about college conservatives is that their conservatism is economically based..


They are basically anti-statists or economic conservatives but cultural liberals...

[blurp]

56. Yeah, they tend more libertarian

Most of what I read about college conservatives is that their conservatism is economically based..

They are basically anti-statists or economic conservatives but cultural liberals...

This has been my impression, also.

I'd say many college repubs are mostly college libertarians.

[Edgewater_Joe]

44. WHAT?! Repunk Draft-Age Kids In COLLEGE?!

Tell them to get their Izod-clothed butts over to the recruiting station so they can support Dear Leader by killin' some Eye-rack-kees for God!

Besides, they'll beat the lines if they go now!

Seriously -- any draft-age kid who supports Bush and doesn't head straight to the military are hypocrites of the first order and need to be exposed as such.

And if they get their widdle feewings hurt because we scream at them for it ... tough.

[goddess40]

45. There hypocrites just like their parents

There shouldn't be an 18-31 year old that voted for * that hasn't been to the recruiters office. Nor should their be a parent that voted for * shelling out one dime of tuition money, because they should demand that their offspring enlist.

[salin]

47. what... no comment about the college repubs cheating

the elderly in their fundraising efforts?

Sounds like she needs some cheese with her whine.

[Dark]

50. If they feel oppressed, why don't they try being gay for a little while?

That'll teach them what having to hide your beliefs and feelings is all about.

[Cocoa]

51. take this stuff seriously

no matter how ridiculous it is to look at college republicans as victims, there's a serious effort behind this, a lot of money. David Horowitz seems to be the leader, and it's I think a neoconservative thing.

Someone remind me, there was recently some legislation in Colorado which was essentially affirmative action for conservatives in academia, I don't remember the details, but it seemed to me to be the first big victory for this bogus movement.

[Merlin]

52. Now they understand how a Democrat feels in the business community.

It's the same thing in reverse. But I don't give a damn. I speak out anyhow.
:bounce:

[Cadence]

53. I have no sympathy

those republican idiots managed to run out a CSU professor for stating that the war in Iraq wasn't justified and that he can't believe the President is sending troops over there to die for no good reason.
He had a republican student in the class that said her husband was fighting over there and she didn't appreciate his comments. She wouldn't listen to him when he said he WAS supporting her husband that's why he didn't think he belonged over there.
Of course she wouldn't listen and started exaggerating his comments and making things up that none of the other students in class that day would corroberate but it worked anyway and she got the CSU republican group behind her. Next thing you know this professor is receiving death threats to his home, his wife and children are being harassed, his classes had to have a police officer outside the door. They finally managed to squeeze him out because the President of CSU is also a republican.

One thing I want to know is if these republicans are so "Christian" minded what's with all of the death threats to people that don't agree with them? Like Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Michael Moore all of the high profile dems have reported getting them. Is that the Christian response if you don't agree with us or have our type of govt we will send you death threats or invade your country?

Also they feel bad because they can't protest(persecute)gays but dems can protest the Bush administration and the war?

WTF? NO!! the difference is policy and government choices vs. individuals you facist idiots!!!!

[politicasista]

55. Your man won oops cheated, so quit griping.

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