What EXACTLY is it that they want?

[lildreamer316]

In other words, my question is: what do "they" foresee as the goal? What kind of Republican Utopia is it that "they" are looking forward to? I want someone on their side, or someone who is looking at all of this clearly, to outline EXACTLY what the world that Bush & Co. want looks like. And I want details. Really. What would the typical family be doing/look like/driving; how would our forests & land look, how would our schools be structured; what kinds of places would we go for fun/parties/nightlife; what kind of things would be on the TV & movie screens, how would the world perceive us, could I take my kids to the Grand Canyon or 1600 Penn. Ave, or out of the country on tour? Could they listen to Van Halen? Godsmack? Vivaldi? Billie Holliday? Dj Icey? Dixie Chicks? Bobby Mcferrin? Bob Dylan? U2? ICP?Outkast? Would I have to hide in an underground cave all of my Pagan literature and accoutrements? What do "they" think is acceptable? What would I be allowed to read? What do they want other countries to think about America and Americans? Show me what it is you see in the future that entices them so much that "they" just had to vote for Bush. Convince me with glowing pictures in my mind how wonderful it is going to be. I really, really want to understand this mindset. I need to be able to wrap my mind around this. I'm being serious. What is it that O'Rielly is so passionate about?

...Because if I understand where you are coming from, ALL of it, then I know better how to beat you.

[RaleighNCDUer]

1. There is no future. There is nothing to look forward to but the

Rapture. Are you right with Jaysus?

[lildreamer316]

2. ummm..

...as you can se by the avatar, I don't think I am. Ooops.;)

[AuntPatsy]

3. Someone said it right but your question in all honesty is not

that easy to answer, there are many different ideals that have thrown these lost souls into the pits of hell along with thier leader, I have heard different scenerios from different voters, it honestly depends on which issue that ran with that made them ignore the reality of what their vote would cost them in the end..

I have heard from a few though, the religous sects that like someone said, Armegeddon is coming and the rapture will take them off this worthless world full of horror and dispair, there is not exactly one thing that the little people are following..

There is no way you can give a simple answer to a question that involves millions of different mindsets...

[troubleinwinter]

4. I only have an idea on one thing...

I have wondered why they insist on forcing women to give birth. WHY? Well, a few years ago I figured that it is for the purpose of having cheap house-servants. A return to slavery. I know it sounds crazy, but it is the only logic I have been able to come up with.

[bobbieinok]

5. have white babies to adopt

[johntao]

9. They want a "white culture" America

They will be the minority in the coming decades and this is their last chance at cultural dominance.

What do I mean by "white culture?" Well, that's easy. It is based in a fear that "whites" will lose control of the direction of the culture. The gist of their agenda was outlined by Pat Buchanan during the '92 convention. Remember that?

Don't get me wrong. Not all Republicans think like that. The problem we now face is that these Republicans who really object to this movement aren't speaking up. These same Republicans made a decision a few decades ago to pander to the religious conservatives in order to increase their power base. They've succeeded. The one unfortunate side-effect is that they have created a monster that they will now have to feed constantly. This new beast will begin to eat it's own (see Arlen Specter and Arnold Schwarzenegger).

My one hope is that these fanatics will break off from the Republican party and start their own. This new party will feature Senator Brownback, Tom Delay and Rick Santorum. In the old party, you have Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Guliani and John McCain. If this happens, the Democrats will take over the government instantly. Our best hope is for a civil war within the Republican Party. I plan to do my part to encourage this battle.

[Sperk]

6. I'll tell you exactly what they want....

There are three major factions that make up the Right wing machine..

The religious right want to ban abortion, put gays back in the closet, prayer and bible study in EVERY school (with a follow-up of THEIR interpretation of the verses). Total control over the whole country like they have over the sheeple that go to their churches.

The NeoCons want total Global dominance. They know we have to control the resourses(oil, gold, gas, water, etc.) to keep it.
Constant war (they also get to align themselves with the bomb makers to make a buck-or a million, while their at it.

The corporations want to go back to 1930 with a populous who are happy just to have a job, any job. Forget safety rules, enviornmental control, workmans comp, health insurance and overtime. Ahhh, the CEO's good old days.

And it looks like they're getting what they want.

It's easy when you know how (control the voting and the media).

[immoderate]

20. You left out the racists.

--IMM

[smiley_glad_hands]

7. Christian Theocracy with laissez faire economic policies.

[checks-n-balances]

8. I've wondered about this many times about "The Morally Bankrupt"

As in, when they have finished devastating the middle/poor/working classes, will they just be happy to pay someone to sweep the homeless, diseased, or dead bodies from the streets? Do they plan for us to be too hungry and tired to dissent? However, if enough of us do dissent, will their gated communities be able to keep us out? Or are they all planning to take their money and retire overseas (until the rapture, of course)? Maybe they don't realize how unwelcome Americans will be by then.

If things do erupt in violence, it will make the LA riots look like a Sunday school picnic. Have they no sense of history - that their policies echo the words, "Let them eat cake"?

Will it ever dawn on them that their greed and contempt for non-upper-class people has been morally bankrupt and if so, when?

Edited to add comments

[azoth]

10. Have you read A Handmaid's Tale?

THAT book is a startling picture of what I see when I project this fucking administration into the future. *shudder*

Absolute removal of personal rights, personal freedoms, personal anything. Ultimate division into classes, with the power-holders overseeing it all. Essentially human chattel. As far as the niceties in your question - honestly, one swift enactment of Martial Law makes things like our forests, education, and the arts totally obsolete and irrelevant. And if that isn't enough to scare somebody I don't know what is.

If you haven't read it, btw, I'd highly recommend it. In fact, I might just re-read again myself.

[Ima]

12. Everyone should read

that book. IIRC it was written around 85, and it is close to what is happening now. It's by 'Margaret Atwood'. There are mass marriages like the 'Moonies' have now.

[lildreamer316]

14. Oh, yeah..

...definately, but years ago. I need to go drag it out of storage and read it again. Do you remember the TV movie they made of it? It was ok, but not as in-depth as the book of course. Someone should re-do that for mass consumption, F9-11-like, I think. Thanks for reminding me, though.;)

[Ima]

26. ..I haven't seen the movie.

Do you remember Joan London, having a woman carry a baby for her,
because her husband (younger) had never had any kids?

She was telling how involved her, and her husband, were with the pregnancy, and birth of the child. They went to the Doctor with her every time. They went in the examining room also. Talked on the phone every day etc. They were both in the delivery room for the birth. JL even had an adjoining hospital room, where the baby would be brought to her and her hubby.

Chilling!

[SoCalDem]

11. Easy... EVERYTHING

and everything THEIR way..That's all they want

[expat_left]

13. I'm new and mostly lurking, but I couldn't resist this one...

Hi all. I'm new here and thought this post looked like fun. I don't know what the etiquette is around here for introducing yourself, but I'll give it a shot. For the curious, I'm an American living in Berlin, Germany and think a monkey would be a better president than Bush. Oh, a monkey already is president, I forgot. ;)


What do "they" foresee as the goal? What kind of Republican Utopia is it that "they" are looking forward to?

The removal of everything in the world that makes them feel fearful. This, unfortunately, includes a lot of stuff - and people.



What would the typical family be doing/look like/driving?


Easy. A kick-ass SUV with big metal bars on the front grille. One that burns loooots of gas, because a good American is a spending, wasteful American. Keeps the economy going, don't you know.



How would our forests & land look?

Forests? what are those? And land - isn't that the place you drill into to find oil? (Unless you're Bush, that is, and then it's the place you drill to *not* find any oil)



How would our schools be structured?

Lesson plans might look like this: Morning Prayer (Christians only, please); The Pledge of Allegiance to One Nation Under Surveillance; The Right Version of History; More Prayer; Reading the Right Books; How to Pretend There Are No Poor In America; Fuzzy Math; Doublethink Logic; Why You Don't Need Your Civil Rights.



What kinds of places would we go for fun/parties/nightlife?

Theoretically, things like book burnings, club nights forbidding gays, and pro wrestling matches are good harmless fun. But when you're a mindless cog on the corporate wheel, you need your rest, so at night when you need to wind down there's the whole family huddled around Fox News.



What kind of things would be on the TV & movie screens?

Reality TV (as long as they don't portray the reality of poverty, corruption and discrmination in this country) and war movies.



How would the world perceive us?

NOt much differently from how they already do, I am afraid.



Could I take my kids to the Grand Canyon or 1600 Penn. Ave, or out of the country on tour?

All foreign countries would be off limits. Can't you just visit the Hawaii or something if you want a change of scenery?



Could they listen to Van Halen? Godsmack? Vivaldi? Billie Holliday? Dj Icey? Dixie Chicks? Bobby Mcferrin? Bob Dylan? U2? ICP?Outkast?

You could, but someone would probably write it all down in a little book for reporting Un-American behavior.



Would I have to hide in an underground cave all of my Pagan literature and accoutrements?

Yes.



What do "they" think is acceptable?

Total control.



What would I be allowed to read?


Whatever it is that keeps you from thinking. But don't read, it's bad for your eyes.



What do they want other countries to think about America and Americans?

That we are the best, most kick-ass country in the world and that everyone should try to be just like us or risk being branded a terrorist threat. Why doesn't *everyone* want to join in and be an American too?

[datasuspect]

16. funny post

acceptable music: non-political top 40 patriotic c&w, e.g. toby keith and lee greenwood.

[BiggJawn]

23. Not so Funny...

Maybe closer to the mark than most.

Once we've achieved the PNAC objective, We'll have an un-ending supply of 10-cent a gallon gas, so why not have that Navistar CXT?

unless you're not a registered ReTHUGlican and member of the "right" Church...

In that case, You're living like the peasants in the old Richard Green "Robin Hood" series, wattle and daub mud huts and poached game, the whole bit. And your daughters are constanly pregnant to supply the Holy Warriors Murka needs...

That's if the rest of the world doesn't band together and try to spank our asses first, then the PNAC boys push the button and marvel at their natural erections as they realize they've just started the End of the World....

[lildreamer316]

17. Hey..

..welcome yourself; I'm new too...first thread and all. I really know most of what you said is obvious, but I just thought maybe some ppl would have some insight that I don't, being stuck here in red red NC my whole friggin' life (yes, I have traveled, but only as far as England). I just really want to understand these people's(Repukes) mindset. I mean, how can they live with such a view of the world? To me, it's extremely depressing, but I wasn't brought up the same way they were, so maybe they find it exciting. Yetch.:(
Just trying to know the mind of mine enemy.

[newyawker99]

24. Hi expat_left!!

Welcome to DU!1 :toast:

[linazelle]

15. Absolute power is what they want, that's all nothing more

or less. What does absolute power do for America? Zilch. It will not enrich schools or communities or the environment. It will only enrich the rich.

A bill was just passed to make it more difficult for most Americans to get grants and student loans--they will pay higher interest rates and must pay back loans faster. This will put college out of reach for even more people and as we deny education to our own, it will result in sending more of our jobs overseas.

Why do they want absolute power and what will they do with it? From what I've seen, the government is a play toy for the rich to these people. They want to pillage the treasury and change laws for personal enrichment.

I watched "Denny" Hastert, present his case for the spending bill on CSPAN yesterday. Hastert talked about getting rid of class action suits, trial lawyers and taxes--a crusade they've been on for years. Who would that benefit but the poor, downtrodden corporations?

I feel so sorry for the corporations--they have to pay minimum wages to their employees and <hasp> taxes, granted it's a lower tax rate than individuals but that is too much. <read with sarcasm>

They want to keep the American public in the dark about what they are doing since none of it benefits the public and some of it is criminal. When they commit crimes, they want to be able to overlook them or change laws to escape prosecution but to use the full force of the law against anyone who opposes them.

Elimination of checks and balances is a big thing for them. The independent counsel law expired under them; Tom Delay is allowed to preside in the legislature because they changed the laws to allow him to do so; voting has been privatized and no records are available to check votes; records are being sealed by the VP and historians are being fired to prevent the release of damaging information about Bush's father; White House speeches and the website are constantly scrubbed.

[NashVegas]

18. Control

It's that simple.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. HEGEMONY. Read the PNAC web site. So far, their agenda

is moving forward as planned. They want total and complete control of the world. We want control of the world's OIL and will attack any and all countries to get that control. TERRORSIM is just a front for their real agenda.

[Skidmore]

25. I agree--and PNAC is using the people who follow the corrupt radical

clerics like Falwell and Robertson to accomplish their goals. Those folks think they are going to heaven to be with God. The only way it differs from fundamentalist Islamic teachings is that there are no virgins awaiting them.

[leftofthedial]

21. they have four factions with divergent goals

1. The religiously insane want the world to end, fulfilling the sick fantasies of their suicide cult. They want the rest of us to live according to their absurdly twisted laws in the meantime.

2. The elitist corporatist oligarchs and the super wealthy want to impose a two-caste, economic-class-based system that is in effect a return to feudalism, albeit with a few high-tech modern twists. This faction also supports imperial conquest as a means to milking the petrochemical economy for every last drop of its ever-diminishing worth.

3. The gun nuts just want to be left alone so they can stroke their penis substitutes without (even the slightest hypothetical) gummint interference.

4. The ignorant, bigoted dittohead crowd just want to have their hatred, intolerance, hypocrisy and narrow-minded world view constantly validated and reinforced.

That's where they're coming from and where they think they are going.

[JNelson6563]

22. They just want their fair share

Which is everything. Just ask them.