You might not agree - The Democrats should let the GOP

[Tony_FLADEM]

try and overturn Roe v. Wade.

Let the American people have exactly what they voted for.


1. If the Democrats obstruct and the GOP is not allowed to act on the abortion issue, the religious right will be even more motivated in the next few elections.

2. If the Democrats let the GOP appoint an anti-abortion judge to the supreme court, and Roe. v. Wade is still allowed to exist, the GOP will have had their chance, and will have failed. The "Christian" base will then be demoralized to the benefit of the Democrats.

3. If they do overturn Roe v. Wade, women who otherwise would vote for the GOP or not vote at all, will be motivated to vote for the Democrats i.e. security moms.

I say let them have at it. Either way they will end up the losers.

[NVMojo]

1. it would be very interesting to see where all the repuke hotsies

go to get their abortions after an overturn of Roe vs Wade, wouldn't it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. The rich... CANADA

or any state where it is still legal

It is the women with no rreources who are left with coat hangers, infections and death... trust me telling teh senator to just give it to them was NOT EASY... I have looked into the eyes of a teen who had a back alley abortion... I have seen the pain...

[okieinpain]

8. why cancun of course. this is what the lower income females

don't seem to understand. they think that repugs will never touch abortion because where will the rich go.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Abortion IS STILL ILEGAL in Mexio

hence why Cancun is NOT an option

[DELUSIONAL]

27. When abortion was illegal in the US -- women went to Mexico

for abortions.

There was a regular service -- women were picked up on the U.S. side, driven to the abortionist on the Mexican side, and then driven back to their homes. It was door to door service. I know because several older women I knew told me about their abortions back when it was illegal.

Middle class women and upper class women will always have someplace they can go for safe abortions.

Mostly the only ones who will be hurt are poor women and high school or college age girls who are too poor to afford safe abortion.

You dumb ass men -- do not get it. This is a matter of life and death.

Males who died in the Vietnam war have their names engraved on a wall in D.C. Just as many women died from bad (illegal) abortions during the same time period. Doctors who practiced during that and who are still alive have horror stories of attempted self abortions or friends trying to help.

WOMEN ARE GOING TO DIE -- if abortion is made illegal. Poor women who are desperate.

This isn't a political game -- it is a matter of life and death for poor women. Don't you get it???

Apparently not -- because this same subject comes up nearly every day. AND the damned democrats are so willing to trade abortion for what -- probably an increase in their salary.

[The Zanti Regent]

25. Republican Congressmen will always let their mistresses have abortions.

but for everyone else, it's a no-no.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Whatcha think I wrote Senator Boxer?

Exactly taht sentiment

The idiots will not know what they voted for until the radical agenda is here

It will hurt all of us badly, but that is sadly what middle murica needs for the kool aid to wear off

[lgardengate]

3. There's a method to this madness!

That just may work! Can you just imagain how totaly ape shit crazy the country would go? BWWAHAHAHA!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Yuo give them abortion, then you give them anything else

and realistically speaking we cannot stop it anyway, we do not have the political power... the wedge issues will be gone.... let them push for it, let the nightmare be real... and then when your local repuke tells you, but, but, but I did not vote for this....

Yes sweetie, you did... this IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR

[mazzarro]

19. That's exactly what I feel needs to happen to 'shock' people

out of their lethargy. Especially the ones that are so disinterested in the elections that they did not bother to vote.

[UdoKier]

5. Even if we "let" them, they would never do it. They DO NOT INTEND TO.

EVER.

They know what it is, a VERY dependable wedge. That's why they cook up scams like the "partial birth" bill, to make their moron supporters think they are making "progress". Next it's parental notification, then some other little thing. Then some "libertarian" GOP judge somewhere will strike down one of their laws as unconstitutional, and they start all over again.

Where is their serious effort to draft and pass a constitutional amendment to define a post-conception fetus as "a human being" and bestow upon those persons full rights as citizens?

It does NOT exist. TRUST me on this. Even the top level fundy hacks know it's all a scam. They DON'T CARE.

[Leilani]

13. You're right

The strategists could care less about abortion, but they know a wedge issue when the see one.

And abortion worked so well, they've turned to gay marriage.

The just want these wedge issues, cause it turns out millions of Fundie nuts.

[saracat]

17. Interesting argument but I disagree. Bush will have to throw some red

meat to the Fundies. And this is what they want.Rove and Co don't care about having a wedge issue to use in the future because they won't need one. If they manage to do all the damage they have planned the repukes will never have to worry about reelection! If the vote is highjacked , who needs a wedge issue? But the support needs to be solidified and that is why they need red meat to close the deal. And after that we are in an even more dangerous situation. Bush has no one to appease. He can't run again, so he is a man with nothing to lose and that is frightening. I think we " ain't seen nothing yet!"

[Trekologer]

23. That's the beauty of it though

If the Democrats don't stand in they way and they still don't do any of those things they've pledged to do, their nutjob supporters will fall off. The reason that they can use these wedge issues is that they know that the Democrats will put up a huge fight and they would never be passed, at least not in their most radical forms. The nutjobs will be wondering why, if the Democrats weren't putting up fights, the promises weren't kept.

[AuntPatsy]

6. Your right I don't agree, I absolutely will not give into that self

styled Hitler regime for any reason. I am an American after all and I not only demand my freedom, I will never stop fighting to retain such freedoms....


Could you imagine if civil rights had just been ignored hoping that someday it just might piss off enough people to perhaps get more than fifty percent of the vote? OMG, don't every give into to such inane proposals....

[delete_bush]

9. I can see a few new industries popping up in

some blue states and Central American countries. Anyone want to invest in "Abortion Airlines" with daily flights to California and points beyond?

[Cleita]

10. You wouldn't say that if you knew how awful things were

before R vs W. If this does happen, I think we have to institute a fund or underground railroad type of thing to get women who want to terminate their pregnancies to Canada or some other place that isn't backwards. Women of means can always go to another country, but the poor women who need safe facilities can't. We need to help them. I hope NARAL or Emily's List is thinking along these lines.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. I am thinking along those lines eom

[murielm99]

20. Those kinds of undergrounds used to exist.

Some of them were very secretive, and also safe.

I think there are doctors who would be pissed off enough to involve themselves in this, again, if necessary.

Does anyone remember Jane, in Chicago? It was an underground for abortions.

I hope they don't have to come back again.

[FlaGranny]

33. Med school students

used to do many back alley abortions for extra bucks to pay for their educations. There used to be whole "undergrounds" of abortion providers. Sometimes they were caught and arrested, but most of the time they got away with it. A woman who could find one of these students to do the abortion was lucky (although, it cost quite a lot). Of course, it was way out of the reach of the poor women - the ones who went to the back alleys or tried to do it themselves. And then there were the teens who were afraid to tell their parents. There were lots of those. Many times they ended up dying or having hysterectomies. What a fun time that was - NOT.

[Cleita]

39. These underground clinics weren't that safe either.

Because they were illegal, the safe ones were competing with the back alley butcher shops. Since they were spread by word of mouth, you really didn't know which you were getting.

My idea is for a fund for poor woman who can be flown out of the country to countries like Canada or Sweden to get a safe and legal abortion.

[aquart]

11. They can't lose. They have the machines.

[saracat]

15. There is a valid point!

[booley]

16. and while we are at it, nuke antartica

...accelerating global warming so that they can no longer deny the reality. And while we are at it, raise the debt ceiling tagain and have al of our debts come due right now.

of course, there is that whole wide spread devestation and loss of human life thing.

I understand that if given enouigh rope the GOP will hang itself. And this might be the thing needed to finally wake up the red sheep who vote for them. But I think we also need to remember that they will hang a lot of innocent people first as things go downhill. And I wouldn't wish the hell the GOP policies are going to make on anyone, even on the bigoted red sheep that voted for him.

can't we at least try to save the world from devestation? we do live here, you know.

[shraby]

18. I have a problem with the idea of letting them

overturn Roe v. Wade..once it's overturned, it will be darned hard to flip it back again.

[Ima]

21. my 2 cents

If it's overturned, I don't think it will ever be flipped back. Ever.There wasn't the tremendous public out cry against it, before it was enacted, as now. Probably because many people didn't think R/W would pass.

[renaissanceguy]

22. If this weren't an issue of life and death (of a woman)

I'd be inclined to test your theory out. But, check out the horrors of the pre-Roe era, and you will find back-alley coathanger abortions, women dying of infection, crooked doctors raping their abortion patients, women douching with poison.

Would you want to risk your sister doing this?

[flygal]

24. I know it would wake up a lot of people who finally see how

backward their way of thinking is. But, that said, it's too dangerous to experiment.

[Bridget Burke]

26. No democrat who wants my vote will "let" the Republicans do anything.

They should speak out for what is right. When it comes to a vote, the Republicans have the numbers. So let it be on their head, with no Democrats tagging along.

[Fed Up]

28. Roe vs. Wade is hurting us.

This issue has cost us around 100 House seats and 10 to 15 Senators, and probably 2 or 3 presidents since 1973.

It's disheartening hearing so many people say they used to be Democrats, but ever since Roe vs. Wade they abandoned the party. I have heard that said so many times it's sickening. It seems like ancient history that John Kennedy carried Alabama.

You can argue that Roe is not hurting us, but it sure as hell isn't helping us. Women in the south can hardly find a doctor who will do an abortion anyway, so all this issue does is kill us at the polls.

[BlueStatesForever]

29. I don't think we should overturn SAFE abortions, just to...

teach them a lesson.

The only ones who would learn the lesson are the ones who would die.

[shesemsmom]

30. What and go back to the pre 70s crap of women dying from back door

abortions...no way. Desperate women will still find a way. Even with a coat hanger. The thought makes me sicker than what they went there for

[Nlighten1]

31. It would be political suicide for them

[OctOct1]

32. I agree .........

I sometimes think we should let them have every thing they want and fast.
Get it over with. In 2 years they will be-- all done.

Social security destruction
Millions more with out heath insurance
Millions not able to get an abortion.
I would like to know who will be paying for the 1 million births
when these Uninsured mothers can not have an abortion???

Let's see, 1 million uninsured mothers
X 15,000.00 to have a baby

Sounds like hospitals will be falling apart left & right.
Not that they are not falling apart now. Lets add pressure
Back to the 1800's were mother die giving birth.
I am sure they will say -----that Lincoln was born in a log cabin and if it was good for him then what the hell, lets do it again.

[FlaGranny]

34. We should not let them to anything

we should fight tooth and nail. The sad thing is, though, that we can't really DO anything. They control everything. It is a very helpless feeling. We are on the road to hell. I keep thinking that this administration will do something so outrageous that people will have to pay attention, but, THEY HAVE ALREADY, many times over. Nobody seems to care. Like someone else has said here, they would have to be filmed on TV having sex with a child, but, I'm really of the opinion that that wouldn't even work.

[lcbart]

35. Absolutely Not !

I have three daughters and a grand-daughter. The stakes are way too high.

I remember the days of coat hanger alley abortions and this is not something to take a risk on.

[Nay]

37. I also remember the days of back-alley abortions, but I'm not so

sure this society would go back to that wholesale. Remember, one of the reasons coat-hanger abortions existed was that if you were UNMARRIED and pregnant, you became a social leper, were unmarriageable, and were considered a total tramp.

That social fabric no longer exists. We don't do that to "unwed mothers" anymore. We don't even use the term "unwed mother" and I suspect most young people would laugh out loud at the term. Also remember that, back then, one of the problems with being pregnant and unmarried was that you would be unable to support your child without a working husband. Nowadays, most women work at a job their whole lives and can support themselves and a child with no man in sight. And they do.

So, a lot of the social pressure to not be pregnant is simply gone. If Roe V. Wade is overturned, what I would love to see is millions of pregnant women (those who don't want the baby and would have had an abortion) go ahead and have the baby and simply give it up for adoption immediately. Can you imagine the glut of little babies clogging up the adoption/welfare/social services systems? Cuz I can guarantee you that all those lily-white evangelicals in Omaha aren't going to be adopting too many little black kids. And they are already having trouble finding enough black or multi-racial families to take in the children being born now -- add hundreds of thousands to that number, and keep on with the destruction of the economy, and even fewer families will be able to adopt. They won't even be able to take care of the kids they have already.

So, I think it is incorrect to assume things will revert to the way they were back in the 50's. The whole social aspect is totally different. No one blinks an eye at an unmarried pregnant woman today, and believe me, it was totally different back then.

[rockymountaindem]

36. Would it not still be legal in some states?

When Roe v. Wade was argued in '73 things were much more conservatve and lots of states made abortion illegal. Today I'd bet that if it reverted to the state level many states would still allow abortion, and not just the "blue states", but ones with at least one Democratic body in the legislature or a Democratic governor (except in the South).

Is there some way you forsee them making it illegal nationwide?

[LizW]

38. If we give them abortion, they'll go after birth control next

They already are.

As saracat pointed out up thread, the Repugs don't need a wedge issue, because they have the ability to manipulate the vote.

The fundies want complete subjugation of women. The Repugs will give it to them. Although I'm past child-bearing years, I don't want to live in that world and I sure don't want it for my future daughters-in-law and my grandaughters.

[sangh0]

40. HIT AND RUN FLAME BAIT

DUers fall for it EVERY time.