Who thinks the marriage amendment will eventually hurt single parents

[neebob]

and other single people? I do.

Off and on for weeks now, I've been working on a letter to my mom, who hasn't called me in three months even though I've called her twice in that time and she used to call me about once a week. It's not the first time she's shunned me, and I think she's doing it again—but then I'm always wrong, and that's why we can't get through a conversation without arguing.

The letter, which is now nine pages long, addresses this whole big ugly blob of dad issues, politics, and religion that we argue about. It includes the following paragraphs:

It’s also wrong to deny rights to something like 10 percent of the population because some old book says what they do is wrong. I happen to believe it’s more like 30 percent of the population, but the rest are living a lie because of that book and all the people who believe it. The others are NOT threatening marriage. Marriage has been falling apart since long before most of them came out of the closet. Why not pass a constitutional amendment banning adultery? Now there’s something that actually causes marriages to break up. Or domestic abuse—I might even vote for an amendment banning that.

You’re supporting people who believe homosexuals should be executed, jailed, or forced into therapy and are not shy about saying so in front of a certain audience.

This other amendment is just a way to legalize discrimination and legislate a second class of citizens that will eventually include me because I’m not married.

Go ahead and tell me that’s silly—people who want to prevent other people from getting married don’t already think they’re special. Single moms get treated like queens. That’s why everybody wants to be one.

Blah blah blah. I don't know if I'll ever actually send this letter. Writing helps me work things out. The paragraphs I've posted are part of a passage leading up to the point that being a liberal is a moral position. My mother thinks liberals are dangerous and immoral, and I'm pretty sure she'll laugh at the paragraph I've boldfaced.

I believe what I said in that paragraph, and then I read this other thread about what's next on the fundy agenda. Here's this professor in Utah (where my mother lives) essentially saying people who aren't married and even people who don't have children are problems.

Am I right or what?

<Edited to remove an erroneous statement about George H.W. Bush>

[Eric J in MN]

1. Can you explain how the Federal Marriage Amendment

would be used agaisnt single people?

[neebob]

2. No, not specifically

I just think it reinforces an attitude that exists among people who are already inclined to deny rights to others who aren't like them and will lead to more discrimination and more destructive legislation.

[DrWeird]

11. It will not allow them to get married...

to people of the same gender.

[neebob]

12. Good point

Thank you, Dr. Weird.

[foreigncorrespondent]

3. neebob...

...thanks for posting this. I don't think the FMA will essentially hurt a single person, but I think it will lead the way for other amendments and laws which will hurt single folks, and a lot of other folks. The FMA is just the beginning in a long line of so called religious morality these idiots want to introduce.

Poppy saying that he thinks queers should be denied citizenship, would you happen to have a link to that? That alone explains a lot for me in my personal life and why the repukes have held back the Permanent Partners Immigration Act for the last four plus years. So of course I would like to do a little more research into that.

Thanks.

On edit: Forgot to add "and laws" after amendments.

[neebob]

6. Uh ...

I went looking for the quote and realized it was about atheists, not homosexuals. And what he said was he didn't think they should be considered as citizens or patriots.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/scar_b.htm

Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I'll edit that out of my letter. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who think homosexuals should be denied citizenship.

[foreigncorrespondent]

9. Oh!

Hell! I didn't know it was a mistake. LOL I really thought he had said it and thought to myself, well that explains a lot.

Yeah, there are most likely a lot who believe we should be denied citizenship. Until they work how to do it to their own citizens, they will continue to deny those citizens the right to sponsor their foreign born partners for immigration. Hence, keeping queers out of the country, and in essence denying citizenship to queers.

[Eric J in MN]

4. Regarding denying citizenship,

are you thinking of George H. W. Bush's comment that atheists aren't citizens?

[neebob]

7. Yes, I was, thank you.

[Greylyn58]

5. Why In The World

would this man in Utah think people who don't have children are a problem? Did it ever occur to this moron that there are some women(I'm one)who can't have children even though they would very much like to.

It was one of the reasons my ex-husband used to end our 10 year marriage and run off with someone he met in a chatroom.

These people have so little compassion for anyone outside their own sphere of religious thinking that I can't even begin to understand them.

When Jesus said, "Be merciful unto others"...he didn't add, "Oh but don't include, gays, blacks, mixed races, unwedded mothers, liberals and all them others in your mercy."

He did say, "Judge not, lest ye be judged!" and I think alot of these folks should take a long hard look at their own lives before saying anything about the rest of us.

:grr:

[neebob]

8. I'm not sure

This is the thread about it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2733269

Sorry to hear about your ex-husband. As it happens, I was nearly ruined by a psychopathic con man I met in a chat room, and as a result became something of an expert on the perils of cyber romance. Believe me when I say you are not alone. Cyber cheating is a huge societal problem that the AOLs and Yahoos and Match.coms are not only silently condoning but encouraging. Don't get me started. :)

[AmyDeLune]

10. Yes, the mindset is frightening...

The Fundies would just love to go back to the "good ol' days" when women stayed married, barefoot, and pregnant and divorcees were shunned and stigmatized. After all, marriage is all about cranking out babies, not being in love! /sarcasm...

[elehhhhna]

13. honey keep writing but don't send it...

maybe take the relationship to another plane? Like "Mom I forgive you." and go from there. You don't have to say it out loud, even. She's hurting you and we don't always get the parents we deserve.