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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:57 PM
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Bad News, There seems to be an unlimited supply of Oil
This needs to be well known. I have read simular info on other sites as well. IF the majority would read this type of info the oil prices would be much lower. Oil and diamonds are in abundant supply but the wool has been pulled over our eyes. Hemp products would also hurt the oil industry as well. Read my other post for more info.
I have a feeling all of this has been posted before in some form or another.

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id296.html


Bad News; There Seems To Be
Unlimited Supply Of Crude Oil



Some years back as a young man I spent time working on a paraffin cleaning machine for an oil well service company.

It was hard, dangerous and dirty work, but there was a strange camaraderie among the people who worked in the oil fields so it consequently was an enjoyable time in my life. And I learned a lot about oil wells . . . about how this substance is found and about how it is brought from the ground. I lived under a fine mist of crude for so long, I couldn't wear a white shirt for years afterward. Crude oil would leach from my skin into the fabric.

In those days we all thought oil was found in subterranean pools, much like underground water aquifers. Once a pool of oil was found, the trick was to find out just how large the pool was. Wildcatters would drill a number of wells in all directions until they hit "dry holes." The active wells then were used to pump or draw the underground lake of crude oil dry.

The area in which the active oil wells were located was called an oil field. If the field turned out to be a rich one, the wells might continue producing oil for years before "tapping out." Most fields also were filled with natural gas, usually causing enough underground pressure to push the well up through the well to the surface. The appearance of pumps was a sign that the oil field was reaching the end of its productivity and the oil was no longer coming to the surface on its own.

When an oil well is flowing, the crude comes out of the ground hot. There is a buildup of a substance called paraffin along the cooler steel pipe that has to be scraped away on a regular basis or the pipe eventually plugs. That was the job I had . . .opening high-pressure well heads and dropping heavy weights with steel brushes through the pipe to scrape away the paraffin. I got to be very good at that job, and knew the idiosyncrasy of each well in the field almost on a personal basis.

Oil wells were drilled just about anyplace. Some were in people's back yards. Others in farm fields. Others were drilled deep in a wood. I recall one in the middle of a pond. In the winter we froze, and spent a lot of our time huddled around barrels of burning crude oil for warmth. In the summer we worked in the hot sun, our oil coated skin getting brown as berries. We usually were surrounded by mosquitoes and biting flies.

In those days I didn't think of crude oil as being bad for the country. It was a substance used to produce the fuel that powered the car I drove, the machines we used on the job, the aircraft that flew over us. It powered the machines of war and the machines of industry. I thought it was exciting to be working on a job the produced such a vital product for the continued operation of my country. That a lot of people were getting very rich on the oil we produced was just a lucky side effect.

I didn't realize until later in life that there had been a choice. That we took a wrong turn, building machines and vehicles that burned fossil and air polluting fuels was the choice made by greedy industrialists who knew better. They could just as easily have developed engines that burned hydrogen and helium, but these abundant gasses were so readily available they would have been almost impossible to control. Without control, there was no money to be made. Thus they chose coal and oil as the fuels of industry and transportation.

Since then we have been duped into believing that: (a.) oil, natural gas and coal are the only fuels we have, (b.) in order for the U. S. to remain strong we must control the world's major supplies of oil, and (c.) there is a limited supply of fuel so the companies that provide it can charge very high prices. This conspiracy has been going on for a very long time.

The Germans were successfully experimenting with hydrogen dirigibles powered by hydrogen burning engines. It is my belief that the terrible 1937 fire that destroyed the Hindenburg at Lakehurst, New York, was a deliberate sabotage. The media stories that followed the disaster were very effective. The German zeppelins were suddenly considered dangerous. Hydrogen was never used to either lift a dirigible or power an engine for a long time.

It has only been in recent years that experimentation with hydrogen powered cars has been started, but there has not been much support. Yet hydrogen burning engines exist and they have been shown to be extremely clean burners that do not pollute the air.

I knew a man who once developed a carburetor that ran his vehicle on methane gas during World War II when gasoline was rationed.

I remember the gas crisis of the mid-1970's when America lost gasoline as a cheap fuel for cars, trucks, farm tractors and aircraft. There was some kind of shortage created by a newly formed Middle East oil cartel and gasoline prices in the United States shot from 24 cents a gallon to something like $1.50. Cars were lined up for blocks at the pumps of the few gasoline stations that had gas to sell. President Gerald Ford ordered the national speed limit reduced to 55 miles per hour to conserve fuel.

It was all a lie.

Now we have very expensive cars filled with a lot of complicated automobile emission equipment, designed to make them stop polluting the air. They also have catalytic converters that make the exhaust from our cars smell like rotten eggs. We are using lightweight aluminum and plastic to make our vehicles so they are more "fuel efficient." But still our air gets dirtier and dirtier. People choke on the fumes from the millions of cars and thousands of carbon burning factories belching toxic waste into our air.

All lies.

I believe America's so-called "War on Terrorism" is a front for gaining control of massive oil supplies not only in the Middle East, but in Southeastern Russia, near the Afghanistan border. This is the real reason the Bush Administration wants to attack Iraq.

The U. S. Geological Survey has warned that the world only has about 10 years of oil left in the ground. If that isn't cause for a world war, I don't know what is.

Except that this statement also appears to be a lie.

Whitley Strieber, on June 4, revealed in a story on his web site that geologists have reported that the old supposedly dried up oil wells we thought were relics of the past, have mysteriously filled back up with oil. The stuff seems to be seeping into the caverns we pumped dry. And it is coming from deep in the Earth.

This phenomenon is happening with old oil fields all over the world. Some geologists now believe there may be an almost unlimited supply of oil in the ground. And it can be found anywhere.

"This brings up questions about what oil and natural gas are made of," Strieber wrote. "Its always been thought this is they are the remains of long-dead plants and animals from dinosaur days. But if oil exists deep inside the Earth, this cant be true, since life exists only on the surface of the Earth."

Strieber said Thomas Gold of Cornell "believes oil and gas are the remains of methane left over from the Earth's origin. Methane is one of the most common minerals in the universe. If this is true, well be able to find oil and gas everywhere, if we dig down deep enough."

For some, this might seem like good news. I think, however, that it is terrible news. It means that even if the greedy oil barons can be exposed as the money grabbing frauds they are, we probably will never have cheaper fuel.

And it also means that the quest for alternative environmental friendly fuels will be abandoned once again, at a time when we are already choking on the foul air that will eventually kill us all.


(Note-After this report was issued, information about the world reaching its peak in oil supply became known. The truth of the matter: The world is running out of oil and a crisis looms.)



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xfundy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:05 PM
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1. So, unlimited oil is the subject
...but the fact of oil crisis is revealed in the final graf.

Report for FAUX 'news' much?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:06 PM
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2. Great imagery:
"I lived under a fine mist of crude for so long, I couldn't wear a white shirt for years afterward. Crude oil would leach from my skin into the fabric."
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:15 PM
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5. That one caught my attention too.
Is that even remotely possible?

Ay caramba...
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:32 PM
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8. You Silly.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:08 PM
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3. Maybe you should move this to the pseudoscience forum.
There's probably a lot of Tesla stuff in there.
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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:18 PM
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6. I will look for it
I think he did add a little too much imagination in regards to wearing white shirts. Heck, he may be right but it does seem far fetched. I would prefer to hear this from several that have worked in simular situations. I do know that autistic kids sweat a lot while their bodies are trying to remove the mercury.This could be a simular effect.

I would probably like the section you mentioned. I will withhold judgement for now either way.

The thing is the shortage of oil is just a lie to get people to pay high prices in my opinion. I truly wish alternative uses of power would be used. I believe there is such a thing as free energy. NiKola Tesla was wanting to do that but he could not get enough funding because there was not any or enough profit in that market.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:33 PM
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9. Um. I think it was just imagery.
"Show, don't tell" writing technique.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:38 PM
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10. Why would you believe this?
The thing is the shortage of oil is just a lie to get people to pay high prices in my opinion.

This article offers absolutely NO evidence to support the idea that there is an endless supply of oil. The only thing that might be considered "evidence" is that someone said that an empty oil field filled back up.

1) We don't if that's true

2) Even if it is true, it doesn't mean that there's an endless supply of oil. It only means that there's more oil then we thought, but we don't know how much more.

This sounds like wishful thinking to me.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:52 PM
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20. Go to "Peak Oil" forum
There is a "Dr_eldritch" who wrote a long post with several links to educate and enlighten. The links he gave give the impression there is plenty of oil, and that the Russians have developed a technique to draw oil up from the mantle to replinish supplies over and over. (I am summing). However, I am waiting for Dr. Eldritch to reply to my response because I was confused with some things he wrote about at the bottom of his long post. However, he seems knowledgeable.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:13 PM
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4. It is my belief that the terrible 1937 fire that destroyed.....
the Hindenburg at Lakehurst, New York, was a deliberate sabotage.<<

Ummmm.... the Skin of the Hindenberg was basically made of materials that are found in "rocket fuel" believe it or not.

http://www.hydrogennow.org/HNews/PressArea/Hindenberg.htm
Because hydrogen is 15 times lighter than air, once on fire, the hydrogen moved immediately up and away from the ship and within 60 seconds had burned completely. The ship burned for 10 hours on the ground, fueled by diesel oil and other heavier than air components.


http://www.ch2bc.org/hindenburg.htm
>>If you think you know exactly what happened next, Adison Bain has a surprise for you. Six decades after the infamous Hindenburg disaster, when 36 of 97 aboard died during the horrific blaze that halted rigid-airship travel, Bain has revealed a stunning new explanation for what started the fire. Bain, a recently retired engineer and manager of hydrogen programs who spent more than 30 years at NASA, has recently concluded several years of scientific sleuthing work in search of the culprit behind the conflagration. He combed through thousands of pages of original testimony and materials at four archives in the United States and one in Germany, interviewed survivors and airship experts, and ultimately tested original materials from the model LZ-129 Hindenburg and its contemporaries. Contrary to what the investigators ruled at the time, asserts Bain, the fire did not start with free hydrogen lit by natural electrical discharge or sabotage.<<

For your peace of mind.... :)

www.fuelcellenergy.com


www.ch2bc.org

www.milleniumcell.com

www.plugpower.com

www.ballard.com


www.mechanicaltechnology.com
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:19 PM
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7. Interesting - but I am not yet convinced.
However I did like his maritme history links.
All the same, anyone can create a web site and make up stuff.
This seems more like a myth of wishful thinking.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:00 PM
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11. NikolaTeslaRocks - copyrights and posting info:
DU guidelines limit the posting of excerpts from copyrighted material to four paragraphs.

Thanks for your consideration.
DU Mod

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four more wars Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:12 PM
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12. What on earth is all this rubbish?
Helium burning? - It's an INERT gas, like Argon.

There is a conspiracy, orchestrated by a few people at the top of the government to steal the election. But, please, keep your crazy conspiracy theories involving thousands of people, none of whom who have leaked elsewhere.

They detract from our cause.

it's why the MSM can dismiss us as 'crazy internet conspiracy theorists'

The science makes no sense.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:02 PM
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21. The helium thing was the tip off for me.
--IMM
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:25 PM
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13. The problem is not lack of oil but lack of oil that can be extracted
in a way that wouldn't take more energy than it produces. In addition, with rapid industrialization in Asia, especially China, worldwide demand for oil is rising.

Or so I'm told by those who are knowledgeable about alternative transportation.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:48 PM
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19. Correct. Oil will still be there, but if it costs more to extract then
it's monetarily pointless.

Ah, that delightful money issue again.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:41 PM
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14. Yeah, and Chevron is hiding the secret pixie dust mine
that would allow us all to fly to work if we just think happy thoughts.

If there WERE and endless supply of oil the industry would be building tankers and refineries to service it. But alas, they don't seem to be willing to make the investment.

google: tanker shortage or refinery capacity

nice bit of fiction writing though.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:55 PM
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15. Thomas Gold and others have been promoting this theory
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 08:00 PM by DoYouEverWonder
for a while.

Here's some more info:

There is an alternative theory about the formation of oil and gas deposits that could change estimates of potential future oil reserves. According to this theory, oil is not a fossil fuel at all, but was formed deep in the Earth's crust from inorganic materials. The theory was first proposed in the 1950s by Russian and Ukranian scientists. Based on the theory, successful exploratory drilling has been undertaken in the Caspian Sea region, Western Siberia, and the Dneiper-Donets Basin.

The prevailing explanation for the formation of oil and gas deposits is that they are the remains of plant and animal life that died millions of years ago and were compressed by heat and pressure over millions of years. Russian and Ukranian geologists argue that formation of oil deposits requires the high pressures only found in the deep mantle and that the hydrocarbon contents in sediments do not exhibit sufficient organic material to supply the enormous amounts of petroleum found in supergiant oil fields.

The abyssal, abiotic theory of oil formation has received more attention in the West recently because of the work of retired Cornell astronomy professor Thomas Gold , who is known for development of several theories that were initially dismissed, but eventually proven true, including the existence of neutron stars. He has also been wrong, however; he was a proponent of the "steady state" theory of the universe, which has since been discarded for the "Big Bang" theory. Gold's theory of oil formation, which he expounded recently in a book entitled The Deep Hot Biosphere, is that hydrogen and carbon, under high temperatures and pressures found in the mantle during the formation of the Earth, form hydrocarbon molecules which have gradually leaked up to the surface through cracks in rocks. The organic materials which are found in petroleum deposits are easily explained by the metabolism of bacteria which have been found in extreme environments similar to Earth's mantle. These hyperthermophiles, or bacteria which thrive in extreme environments, have been found in hydrothermal vents, at the bottom of volcanoes, and in places where scientists formerly believed life was not possible. Gold argues that the mantle contains vast numbers of these bacteria.



http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1130.html
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:47 PM
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18. 1950s Russia said oil replenishes. 1930s Germany tried new energy sources.
Who are you going to believe? The Nazis, cruel and inhuman as they were, were still bright.

Even if oil replenishes (which goes back to the theory of how we had to dig to get oil in the first place, so why didn't oil break through the Earth's crust at any point during its thousand- or billion-year existence), we are consuming far more than can be made.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:28 PM
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22. Oil did break through the surface.
The ancient Babylonians paved their streets with crude asphalt as a result of oil pooling which used to occur there. In China, people used to be able to get it out of very shallow wells with simple bamboo poles.
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bobaloo2 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:00 PM
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16. Maybe THIS is the conspiracy...
What the article is talking about is known as the "abiotic oil theory", which a quick googling will discredit.

Here's the simplest answer. Living organisms take up carbon isotopes in a ratio different from those generally found on the earth. This leads to such things as the C-14 radiocarbon dating system. If you measure the ratio of carbon isotopes in oil, it is exactly the same as that found in plants, not the same as that found in the environment. In addition, oil consists of thousands of different organic compounds, including many exotic volatiles, which can be directly traced back to the originating plants.

There are a lot of other good reasons why the abiotic oil theory simply isn't true, or if there is abiotic oil it is in such small quantities as to not be commercially significant.

Now that the government has officially denied the problem of peak oil I'm starting to get worried.

Check out www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net for more info.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:44 PM
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17. Well, if we use more than what mommie earth can excrete, we're still
boned. Guh.

Also, if the earth can replenish its oil (LOL), wouldn't it have broken through the crust and we'd have oil-based volcanos instead of the normal lava type? :crazy:

Also: Copyright issue here, could you remove all but 4 paragraphs?
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