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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:26 PM
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WTF? Exit Polls.....
I know this topic has been discussed before, but I'm not sure that this particular aspect has. How can MSM and so many people continue to say that the exit polls aren't accurate?? The U.S. condemned FSU rep. of Georgia's official results and supported the opposition, who won in the exit polls and eventually took power after the incumbant stepped down.
And I'm sure we'll see similar controversy in Ukraine's election, which is being counted now. MSM has always consistantly claimed that exit polls are accurate and that FL2000 was the first time that they weren't. And we encourage other countries to use them to check for any mass fraud. And now this year's exit polls in the US are just instantly viewed as erroneous?? This is BS!

Here are some excerpts from some papers on exit polls. I didn't provide the links b/c I got the articles through my Univ. database.

The New York Times
October 17, 2004 Sunday

SINCE the 1960's, the exit poll, that staple of election-night television, has been used along with other tools to declare winners when the polls close in each state, and its accuracy is noted later when the actual vote count proves it right. A landmark exception, of course, came in 2000, when the networks initially gave the decisive Florida vote to Al Gore.

But now exit polls are being used in some places to monitor the official vote count itself, either to validate the outcome or to mount a challenge to it.

That has happened in several countries in the last year, and in the United States one organization plans to use exit polls in five closely contested states in November to measure whether there have been impediments to voting.

Last fall, an American firm, whose polling clients have included Al Gore and John Edwards, was hired by some international foundations to conduct an exit poll in the former Soviet republic of Georgia during a parliamentary election. On Election Day, the firm, Global Strategy Group, projected a victory for the main opposition party. When the sitting government counted the votes, however, it announced that its own slate of candidates had won. Supporters of the opposition stormed the Parliament, and the president, Eduard A. Shevardnadze, later resigned under pressure from the United States and Russia.

The Washington Post
November 25, 2003 Tuesday

The Bush administration, which has been trumpeting its commitment to promote democracy around the world, now has a chance to follow through in a country strategically placed on the edge of the greater Middle East.

To its credit, the administration has already done much to encourage democracy in Georgia. Last summer it dispatched former secretary of state James A. Baker III to persuade Mr. Shevardnadze to sign an election agreement allowing for exit polls and parallel vote counts by international observers -- actions that ended up exposing the fraud and lending legitimacy to the popular rebellion. After the elections, the administration denounced the fraud and distanced itself from Mr. Shevardnadze -- in contrast to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who repeatedly phoned the president even as senior aides huddled with Moscow's ally, the regional autocrat, smuggler and vote-stealer Aslan Abashidze. Though Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov eventually helped to broker Mr. Shevardnadze's resignation, Moscow was clearly unhappy that its client's power grab had failed. Mr. Putin complained yesterday that the president's departure had occurred "against the background of strong pressure" -- never mind that Russia itself has relentlessly squeezed its neighbor by both economic and military means.

Channel NewsAsia
November 21, 2003 Friday

WASHINGTON : The United States condemned Georgia's final legislative vote tally as a fraud, casting doubt on the renewed mandate of President Eduard Shevardnadze, a onetime darling of Washington.

"The results do not acurately reflect the will of the Georgian people, but instead reflect massive vote fraud," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said.

"We are deeply disappointed in these results and in Georgia's leadership."

Ereli said that the gap between the results of exit polls and the official count -- released nearly three weeks after the November 2 vote -- was too great to be believable.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:34 PM
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1. We are now exporting our experise- Freedom& liberty - marching on!
James Baker - yup.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:05 PM
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