Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Could any enemy of ours have designed a better way to drain our resources

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:24 AM
Original message
Could any enemy of ours have designed a better way to drain our resources
than to make us go on endless wars? As we go around the globe setting off our new high tech weapons at Third World nations the joke is going to be on us when we run out of money for our roman candles.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:33 AM
Response to Original message
1. The joke is going to be on us
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 06:35 AM by teryang
Did you see how desperately the chimp was clinging to Putin at the APEC summit? Why Putin keeps throwing him a bone, I don't know. Perhaps he is buying time or appeasing the madman.

What better way to weaken your enemy than to bolster the power of a leadership headed toward diaster.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:44 AM
Response to Original message
2. The enemy is in charge here
Our own administration is the enemy, but they waste OUR resources and lives, and take our money on the side.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:50 AM
Response to Original message
3. That is precisely the goal of terrorism--warning--long post. :-)
It's not unique to this "war." Historically, forcing your militarily superior enemy to dilute resources--to spread money and manpower thin--is the main terrorist objective.

Whether or not we are hit again by terrorists is irrelevant. They have forced the government to shift to the right and to fight an invisible enemy. All Osama has to do to continue the war is make another video threatening to blow something up or to unleash a bio-chem agent, and our government responds by spending financial resources and taking manpower away from the places it is needed. The citizenry must fund the "fight" through their rising taxes--and they are actually paying more, yet getting less, since law enforcement is engaged with a shadow enemy instead of responding to the real needs of taxpaers--and they must tolerate loss of civil liberties, which an inevitible cost of terrorism.

Believe me, I don't like it one bit--the loss of civil liberties--but, again, this is not a new occurrence. Check out the Rote Armee Faction--the Red Army Faction, which, in 1960s-70s Germany, undertook terrorism with the goal of forcing the German government to expend resources and to shift to the extreme right--to force the gov. to tighten down on the populace as it sought out and fought the invisible enemy. Ultimately, the restrictive government and residual loss of civil liberties would result in a popular leftist backlash against the German government, with possible overthrow of the rightist government. So basically, the RAF pushed right to move the government to the left.

The goal of terrorism is to cause paranoia among the enemy government and populace. That paranoia, which is inevitable, forces the government to dilute resources and to clamp down on its citizens.

In all actuality, it was the success of the 1990s Gulf War that brought us to the predicament we now face--global war, chasing down shadows, spreading your resources thin. Because Desert Storm was SOOOO successful and quick, people who observed the war realized that they could never face us on the battlefield, that they would have to strike us under the belt to hurt us. Thus, September 11,2001.

I am sorry to rattle on and on, and I apologize if I strayed away from the concerns of your original post--the topic of terrorism really intrigues me on the academic level, and I love to discuss it with others and to discuss it with my students. So far, everything that has happened since September 11 has paralleled theories and historical examples--the events have been entirely predictable to military historians who study nonconventional warfare. I hope that others who read this will add their comments to mine.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Ancient tactic
Let's look back to 1066 shall we? That was when William the conquerer went to England to seize the throne. Poor Harold Goodwinson had to meet his brother and invading force in the north and then high-tail it to the other end of the coast to fend off the Normans. His resources were no match for battles at either end of the country and he lost his throne.

We are no match for all those who want to crush the US. We may be the biggest and strongest but we aren't bigger and stronger than everyone else put together.

Team Bush is comprised of idiots.

Julie
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. It isn't terrorism causing the colossal military spending
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 07:06 PM by teryang
...that's just hogwash. It's a cold war defense budget with all the aerospace and full spectrum dominance bs such as we had during the height of the Vietnam era except worse. The enormous cost of the war in Iraq or the National Missile Defense system has nothing to do with terrorism as has so often been stated. The enormous cost of the war in Iraq is due to the asymetric nature of a guerilla conflict conducted thousands of miles from home at the very limits of our force projection capabilities.

You don't need multi-billion dollar B2s or nuclear weapons to fight terrorists. You obviously can't find bin Laden with a satellite despite dubious claims to the contrary. In point of fact, the reduced manpower of our military represents a distinct lack of capability in order to shift maximum funding to private defense contractors who profit enormously from "terrorist" propaganda. Bin Laden works for the CIA/ISI/Mossad/Saudi axis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:23 AM
Response to Original message
4. Bush reacted exactly the way bin laden wanted him to react.
That's why the 911 attacks happened on bushes watch rather then Clinton's. They needed the perfect fool in the oval office in order for their plan to work. When bush was appointed they knew that the time was right. Drunken cowboy diplomacy was exactly what they needed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Just maybe bu$h pushed bin Laden into
pushing him into "reacting" the way it appears that bin Laden wanted him to react. (Head...hurting...must...press...on.)

How else does one account for the fact that bin Laden is still running around loose--unless that's what bu$h's handlers have had in mind all along?

:freak:
dbt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:57 AM
Response to Original message
7. That is why Bin Forgotten made that Oct appearence.. he knew it would make
bush win and TOTALLY DESTROY US. he is a clever man
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. But what about his latest nuke threat?
Or would that be a ploy too?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:11 PM
Response to Original message
9. Bin Laden gave away his plan...
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 07:12 PM by DireStrike
Why did he say, in his tape, exactly what he was trying to do?

Either he is arrogant and stupid, or that isn't his plan.

All warfare is based on deception.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 08:20 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC