Falluja women, children in mass grave (burned by napalm)

[donsu]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/24EBE5BB-CA3F-462B-8279-546BC1D9B7E6.htm

Residents of a village neighbouring Falluja have told Aljazeera that they helped bury the bodies of 73 women and children who were burnt to death by a US bombing attack.

"We buried them here, but we could not identify them because they were charred by the use of napalm bombs used by the Americans," said one resident of Saqlawiya in footage aired on Aljazeera on Sunday.

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The resident told Aljazeera all the bodies were buried in a single grave.

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However, according to other residents who managed to flee the fighting after US forces entered the city, hundreds more bodies still lay in the streets and were being fed on by packs of wild dogs.
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this story was filed on the 21st and said the city had no electric or water or medical treatment of any kind.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. Let Freedom Roll!

:puke:

[wtmusic]

2. See! Mass Graves! Just like we said...

oh ours? nevermind.

[UpsideDownFlag]

3. napalm?? but, but, isn't that illegal nowadays?

:nuke: :thumbsdown:

[RivetJoint]

5. So illegal, that it's not even manufactured

anymore. So it could not have been used.

[UpsideDownFlag]

7. intriguing, i wonder what actually happened, then. nt

[LongTomH]

8. Could this be from phosphorus bombs?

White phosphorus munitions are still in use.

[RivetJoint]

9. Dunno. Would have to see or hear more about this

[Minstrel Boy]

10. "US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq"

The Independent August 10, 2003

US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

By Andrew Buncombe

American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.

The Pentagon denied using napalm at the time, but Marine pilots and their commanders have confirmed that they used an upgraded version of the weapon against dug-in positions. They said napalm, which has a distinctive smell, was used because of its psychological effect on an enemy.

A 1980 UN convention banned the use against civilian targets of napalm, a terrifying mixture of jet fuel and polystyrene that sticks to skin as it burns. The US, which did not sign the treaty, is one of the few countries that makes use of the weapon. It was employed notoriously against both civilian and military targets in the Vietnam war.

The upgraded weapon, which uses kerosene rather than petrol, was used in March and April, when dozens of napalm bombs were dropped near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris river, south of Baghdad.

"We napalmed both those approaches," said Colonel James Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11. "Unfortunately there were people there ... you could see them in the video. They were Iraqi soldiers. It's no great way to die. The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm

[RivetJoint]

11. Well since Dow stopped making napalm

in 1969, I find this "claim" to be higly dubious.

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Pentagon distinguishes traditional napalm from "Mark 77 firebombs"

more from my link:

A reporter from the Sydney Morning Herald who witnessed another napalm attack on 21 March on an Iraqi observation post at Safwan Hill, close to the Kuwaiti border, wrote the following day: "Safwan Hill went up in a huge fireball and the observation post was obliterated. 'I pity anyone who is in there,' a Marine sergeant said. 'We told them to surrender.'"

At the time, the Pentagon insisted the report was untrue. "We completed destruction of our last batch of napalm on 4 April, 2001," it said.

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The Pentagon said it had not tried to deceive. It drew a distinction between traditional napalm, first invented in 1942, and the weapons dropped in Iraq, which it calls Mark 77 firebombs. They weigh 510lbs, and consist of 44lbs of polystyrene-like gel and 63 gallons of jet fuel.

[RivetJoint]

13. So it wasn't napalm?

[Minstrel Boy]

16. It's like Kleenex, isn't it?

If I use a Royale tissue to blow my nose, I'm as likely to call it a kleenex.

Saying the US does not use napalm is misleading, unless it is made absolutely clear that what it uses instead is a second-generation device that produces the same results.

[RivetJoint]

17. And the proof we did this is where?

[Minstrel Boy]

18. Is this an Abbot and Costello routine?

Because I never found them particularly funny.

I know you really, really don't want to accept this, so suit yourself. Or, go back and read the link in my first post. You'll find, among other remarks, this:

The upgraded weapon, which uses kerosene rather than petrol, was used in March and April, when dozens of napalm bombs were dropped near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris river, south of Baghdad.

"We napalmed both those approaches," said Colonel James Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11. "Unfortunately there were people there ... you could see them in the video. They were Iraqi soldiers. It's no great way to die. The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."

[leftchick]

19. I have read it is some white phosphorus shit called ...

Willie P. It has the same ghastly effects as napalm on a body. Willie P is the new and improved version of Napalm which is no longer produced. Welcome to freedom AmeriKKKan style!



different name, same result...

[kayell]

21. According to this link, the airforce still calls it napalm and still has

it or an equivalent.

http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/pacaf/21/pacafi21-202/pacafi21-202.pdf

search for Mark 77 and you will find


SCL
Code Component Used by Aircraft type
M77 Mark 77 750 lb NAPALM Fire Bomb FA18C/D, AV8B

Their CAPS, not mine.
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Anyone know what those aircraft types are, and whether used in Iraq?

[RivetJoint]

24. Thos are not USAF aircraft

They are USMC aircraft.

[kayell]

25. OK, I assumed AF, because of af.mil site. Nonetheless, it looks

like OUR military of whatever branch still has incendiary devices in their arsenal.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Must be the "minimal amount of civilian casualties" Rumsfeld assured us of

Apparantly, they've manage to bring prosperity to the dogs.

[bushisanidiot]

6. We'll free them even if we have to kill them to do it..

meanwhile, haliburton and u.s. oil companies rake in the dough.

[radiofreesrini]

14. unbelievable

i have been watching the falluja battle unfold. are we trying to provoke the iraqis into using chemical weapons on us? with rumsfeld in charge i do not trust that our forces are even in there to win at all. i honestly worry that our forces are outnumbered, surrounded, and unable to combat a well-armed enemy that can fluidly disappear into society like this. the enemy has all the explosives they need and iran is right next door to help them. one suicide bomber is insane enough... where have they found hundreds of them? did our generals think maybe they could invade Compton next and get rid of all the gangs?

iranians streamed across the border after we attacked as "pilgrims" to the newly "liberated" holy sites. some of these pilgrims are obviously army-trained Iranian fighters who then joined up with anti-US forces in Iraq. I know Iran is involved because our fortifications have come under attack with precision-targeted mortars. my concern is that we're already in it with iran and have been for a long time and that the troops that are over there right now are a sacrificial force for some demonic neocon strategy (start world war III? destroy america so the UN takes over as one world government? something to do with oil prices? WHY!?)

what would happen if the iranian army just decided to bum rush the show in iraq? look at the strait of hormuz on a map. consider that it is the only supply line for anyone currently in iraq. and now that we've used chemical weapons, they can kill us with them too (according to their twisted eye-for-an-eye arithmatic). i am very worried about the safety and security of the american troops on the ground in iraq, and sun tzu's in my corner, shaking his wizened head.

as for falluja, american forces have resorted to napalm and chemical weapons because we have no superiority in this form of combat. house-to-house fighting sucks, and you have to leave eventually while they don't. there is no endgame to this kind of battle against a trained enemy. we aren't dealing with resistance from disgruntled peasants anymore. we are dealing with a serious challenge to the hegemonic order set up to administer Iraq. suicide bombers are insane, but these people aren't blowing themselves up for statistical purposes. they honestly believe they are with their deaths altering the future of their country. America invaded with the promise of democracy and has delivered misery and abu ghraib instead. iran and zarqawi have made the iraqis a better deal than we've dealt so far. it's time to change tactics and win over some hearts and minds. instead, falluja.

world war ii showed us two different types of occupations. there was the american/allied occupations of germany and japan, and there was the way hitler occupied countries. falluja, compounded with abu ghraib, makes us look like nazis. we are destroying that town the way the nazis made mincemeat of resistant towns in Czechoslovakia. our generals are muttering about fighting "satan" and then using chemical weapons on women and children. bring our troops home now!!! PEACE IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE ANSWER!!!

[Throckmorton]

23. What Chemical Weapons?

"are we trying to provoke the Iraqis into using chemical weapons on us"

You mean all the chemical weapons we found and just kept quiet about, as to not frighten the children?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Marine shoots prisoner. Pilot drops napalm on civilians. War crimes?

I'm still amazed that most people can easily accept bombing as "legal" even though it causes massive death tolls, yet get indignant when one person is killed by a gunshot or a beheading.

I find all of them equally barbarous.

[radiofreesrini]

20. WAR PIGS

by black sabbath... covered on an acoustic guitar:

http://www.radiofreesrini.com/mp3/warpigs.mp3

enjoy :)

[RBHam]

22. The Amerikkan Blitzkrieg....

Ain't it grand?