"awe shucks, its only suppressing black people's vote.....

[SomthingsGotaGive]

...that happens all the time, what we need is proof of fraud."

I hate hearing hearing this sh*t.

I don't think I've ever heard that argument coming from a black person.

Aren't republican election officials duty bound to provide equal access to polls.

If Blackwell says he conducted a fair election according to the rules and it is proved that he did not, isn't that fraud?

[SomthingsGotaGive]

1. wow off the front page in 5 minutes.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

2. Am I imagining this ?

I hear it hear all the time.

By naysayers AND the fraud hunters.


Does fraud have to be found in BBV for it to be fraud?

[lukasahero]

3. No you're not

I think in fact, you're experiencing it here.

I've been thinking that we are watching Rove do exactly what we knew he would do before the election - sway/control opinion. There was an article about his tactics in The Nation (? I think) that concluded with the statement about him counting on the election being close. Close enough to swindle basically.

There's no real public outcry because the media sold most of America that the election was "too close to call" for months. So when they hacked the vote and disenfranchised the poor and minority urban vote, most of America didn't believe it was a "big deal", it was "isolated incidents". Rove is continuing to get mainstream media to tell everybody that the only people whining are losers and conspiracy theorists.

I can't believe we are falling for it even though we KNEW he would do exactly this.

Unfortunately, I also don't know what to do about it. I want to protest but a protest of one is rather ineffectual. :(

[SomthingsGotaGive]

4. its funny...no SAD

Polls on DU before the election had most people thinking bush would steal the election.

Now that he has I wonder what a similar poll here would reveal.

Its like people are unwilling to face the magnitude of the situation now that its not hypothetical it is real.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

5. one last kick

[Cat Atomic]

6. Seems that way to me. I was amazed at how the long lines were

"covered" in the media. Nobody seemed to think it was at all unusal for blacks and students to be standing in long lines, while more Republican areas did not.

I think you make a damn good point. That IS fraud. It's manipulation of the vote.

There was that one Chicago politician who came right out and said they needed to "suppress the Detroit vote" if they wanted to win. He was forced to resign from the Bush campaign because of it, but only because he was so overt. They DID it anyway, and nobody with a camera seems to give a shit.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

7. Thanks

I wish people would stop saying they need a smoking gun.

[sugar magnolia]

8. Disenfranchisement of voters is never acceptable

I'm on a friend's group email list and a week or so ago he forwarded a Washington Post article on this issue. My friend included his comments that he didn't understand why more people were not outraged over this. Someone else he sent this to hit reply to all with the comment that its time to look toward the next election, and noted that black people are only 12% of the population.

I kept thinking I must not be reading this person's response right, but I can't see any other way to read it. I was disgusted and sent a nice long reply to all...

[m berst]

9. thanks

Thanks for posting this. It is shocking - people talking about getting over it - getting over what? Their emotional condition? "Move on" they say - move on to what, exactly?

Hidden beneath the "did they-didn't they" steal it discussions, which mostly remind me of conversations about some TV sitcom - is an ugly truth. No one disagrees that African Amercian votes were stolen - but that doesn't count for anything it seems.

I can't post anything coherent I am so frustrated about it.

[Starlight]

10. I absolutely agree.

And not just minorities. Students. Poor people. These people generally don't have connections. No friends in government. No friends in the media.

I can tell you that my wealthy, white, Repub suburb had NO lines (I was a poll challenger so I was there all day). When we had 3 or 4 people in line, that was a CROWD. These people wouldn't tolerate having to wait. They're be making phone calls to have the election officials fired if they were kept waiting.

[Eric J in MN]

14. The students at Kenyon college had to wait

until 2 AM to vote, in some cases, because Ohio only provided 2 machines for over a thousand students, and one broke.

[m berst]

11. "we need proof"

What does that phrase really mean?

We need proof that any of this will affect white people?

"Oh, sure we know that 'they' get bombed, detained, tortured, lynched, murdered, disenfranchised and abused, and we are working on fixning all that. Really we are. But until you can show me how any of this effects white educated suburban people, I'm not buying your conspiracy theories."

[SomthingsGotaGive]

12. wow I thought i was in my own little left wing echo camber !

All by my lonesome.

Good to see I'm not crazy

[NuttyFluffers]

16. thank you, that's some gospel right there.

you'd think breaches of at least 2 constitutional amendments (14th and voting act amendment) would loom a bit larger on the national consciousness screen nowadays. nope, haven't got much farther in all those years it seems. there's some real certifiable fraud out there atop voting machine irregularities. both needs our attention.

[Eric J in MN]

13. US Constitution: states must provide "equal protection of the law."

The 14th amendment, written for the purpose of protecting black citizens.

Ohio violated the US Consitution's "equal protection" clause by making many blacks wait three to seven hours to vote while whites could vote in an hour or less.

[m berst]

15. can you imagine?

Imagine the uproar if white Republicans had to wait 7 hours to vote.

The vote denied to any of us is the vote denied to all of us.

[Eric J in MN]

17. The idea of a re-vote in Ohio would be

discussed in the mainstream media if whites in Republican neighborhoods had to wait seven hours to vote while blacks in they city had to wait half-an-hour.

But the mainstream media is scarcely saying a word about the disenfranchisement of blacks.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

18. Not much here on DU either ..

see whats going on in the Ukraine. The leaders asked for people to take to the streets and they did.

In the US the leaders are saying move on.

Even Jesse Jackson apparently.