New Freedom Initiative-will someone post the Senate bill # please?

[liveoaktx]

Then, we can at least look it up, see not only if it passed but also see who voted how on it.

[Walt Starr]

1. As I understand it, it was funded in Saturday's bill

:shrug:

That's about as close as I can get to figuring out what has been thrown all over the board today.

[zippy890]

2. and we can see what it says exactly

It may be part of the omnibus bill which includes everything for the federal fiscal year 2005

[Cerridwen]

3. This may have info for you.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html

[liveoaktx]

4. I don't have a question about what it is, I want to look up the bill numbe

If it is part of the over 3000 page omnibus bill, does anyone know what THAT bill number is and whether all 3xxxx pages of it are online somewhere?

[pk_du]

5. If you look at the voting record from Senate on Saturday

It looks like the House version is HR2673
and the Senate version is S1072.

The actual details of each are available here on line.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm

[KamaAina]

16. Huh? S. 1072 is a transportation equity act

and HR 2673 appears to be the agriculture spending bill.

Originally the "New Freedom Initiative" was a name given by Bush** to the entire package of disability programs, most of them promulgated by Dems and under constant attack from repukes, of course.

I was not aware that NFI had been made into actual legislation. I fear to look inside and see what may (or may not) be in it... :scared:

edit: S. 1072 does indeed contain a "new freedom" section, for accessible transportation, right in the transportation bill where it belongs. So we still need the bill no. for the Big Broither stuff...

[pk_du]

6. Another good resource here

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/appropsbills.htm

Points to this one for the FY2005 Approriations Bills

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app05.html

[City Lights]

7. kick

hoping to get an answer.

I don't doubt that it passed, but it would be nice to have a bill number, or link to solid proof online. I'd like to call my Senators about this, but would like to have a bit more information about what passed so I at least sound like I know what I'm talking about.

[cosmicdot]

8. "State Incentive Grants for Transformation"

from a letter to Dianne Feinstein

http://government.aol.com/mygov/bio/userletter/?letter_id=115727801&content_dir=congressorg

asking for her help in preventing this:

The appropriations bill line-item that deals with funding the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health (NFC) are the "State Incentive Grants for Transformation."

fwiw



No bill number provided ... however, googling landed some articles on the subject for thread readers' FYI interest ...
:scared:


"Topic: State Incentive for Transformation/Mandatory Mental Health Exams?"

~snip~
Last September, AAPS lifetime member Rep. Ron Paul, M.D., R-Tex., tried to stop the plan by offering an amendment to the Labor, HHS, and Education Appropriations Act for FY 2005. The amendment received 95 “yes” votes, but it failed to pass.
~snip~
http://www.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/37/t/000909/p/1.html

An Executive Order?

"The New Freedom Initiative was announced by President Bush on February 1, 2001, followed up by Executive Order 13217 on June 18, 2001."
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/newfreedom/

Executive Order 13217 June 19, 2001
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010619.html

makes one wonder why this was a priority straight-away in the first appointedstration's term

Clue: ~snip~ Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) has indicated his intention of introducing a bill based on the Administration’s proposal. ~snip~ http://www.ucp.org/ucp_generaldoc.cfm/1/8/11904/11904-11904/5393

~snip~ On June 22, 1999, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision in Olmstead v. L.C., 527 U.S. 581. The Court recognized that unjustified isolation and segregation of people with disabilities in institutional settings is a form of discrimination prohibited by the ADA. On June 18, 2001, President George W. Bush signed an executive order promoting community-based alternatives, rather than institutions, for people with disabilities. ~snip~ http://www.ncd.gov/newsroom/news/2003/r03-430.htm


NEW MENTAL HEALTH INITIATIVE FORWARDS PSYCHIATRY'S BRAVE NEW WORLD
TOTALITARIAN RULE TO DIAGNOSE AT WILL

Diagnostic "Screening" Process is a Con-Game To Troll For New Patients

According to the British Medical Journal, a sweeping U.S. mental health initiative will be unveiled in July which proposes to screen every man, woman and child in America for mental "illness." The initiative was prompted by a March 2004 progress report by The New Freedom Commission on Mental Health. President George W. Bush appointed the commission to advise him on ways of improving the mental health system. However, psychiatric advice has grossly misled the President and the American people.
~snip~ http://www.cchr.org/publications/brave.htm

Article & Essay: Bush Wants To Be Your Shrink (scary pix of *)

~snip~ Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General, wrote a whistleblower report in which he stated that behind the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission was the “political/pharmaceutical alliance” that developed the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antipsychotics and antidepressants. He further claimed that this unholy alliance was “poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab.” ~snip~
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=830

"NFI Medicaid Demonstration Act" ... the 'bill' drafted by the WH was called an 'act' although not 'law' yet ...

[cosmicdot]

10. there was a House Resolution H. CON. RES. 292

"Expressing the sense of Congress that Congress should adopt and implement the goals and recommendations provided by the President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health through legislation or other appropriate action to help ensure affordable, accessible, and high quality mental health care for all Americans." October 2, 2003

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:1:./temp/~c108Ifo3uH::
if that doesn't work ... link through
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2BC218D9

Sponsor: Rep Napolitano, Grace F.

COSPONSORS(33), ALPHABETICAL

Rep Acevedo-Vila, Anibal - 10/16/2003
Rep Ackerman, Gary L. - 10/17/2003
Rep Baird, Brian - 10/17/2003
Rep Bell, Chris - 10/16/2003
Rep Berman, Howard L. - 10/16/2003
Rep Cardoza, Dennis A. - 10/21/2003
Rep Carson, Julia - 10/17/2003
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 10/21/2003
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 10/16/2003
Rep Doggett, Lloyd - 10/16/2003
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. - 10/21/2003
Rep Frost, Martin - 10/16/2003
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 10/16/2003
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. - 10/16/2003
Rep Kaptur, Marcy - 10/17/2003
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. - 10/16/2003
Rep Kildee, Dale E. - 10/16/2003
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. - 10/16/2003
Rep Kind, Ron - 10/16/2003
Rep Lee, Barbara - 10/16/2003
Rep McCarthy, Carolyn - 10/16/2003
Rep McDermott, Jim - 10/16/2003
Rep McNulty, Michael R. - 10/16/2003
Rep Millender-McDonald, Juanita - 10/21/2003
Rep Miller, George - 10/16/2003
Rep Murphy, Tim - 10/17/2003
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille - 10/16/2003
Rep Serrano, Jose E. - 10/16/2003
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh - 10/16/2003
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 10/16/2003
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 10/16/2003
Rep Van Hollen, Chris - 10/16/2003
Rep Waxman, Henry A. - 10/16/2003

[cosmicdot]

12. H. R. 3063 "Children's Mental Health Screening and Prevention Act of 2003

September 10, 2003


~snip~

(5) According to an interim report by the President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health , about 7 to 9 percent of all children who are 9 to 17 years of age (about 1 or 2 in every classroom) have a serious emotional disturbance.

~snip~

SEC. 3. MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING DEMONSTRATION PROJECT

~snip~

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C12D218D9


Sponsor: Rep DeLauro, Rosa L.

COSPONSORS(41), ALPHABETICAL

Rep Acevedo-Vila, Anibal - 9/10/2003
Rep Ackerman, Gary L. - 10/28/2003
Rep Berkley, Shelley - 10/30/2003
Rep Berman, Howard L. - 10/16/2003
Rep Brown, Corrine - 10/8/2003
Rep Carson, Julia - 3/18/2004
Rep Christensen, Donna M. - 9/10/2003
Rep Delahunt, William D. - 9/13/2004
Rep Doggett, Lloyd - 12/8/2003
Rep Emanuel, Rahm - 10/8/2003
Rep Foley, Mark - 10/16/2003
Rep Ford, Harold E., Jr. - 10/20/2003
Rep Frank, Barney - 9/7/2004
Rep Frost, Martin - 9/16/2003
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 9/10/2003
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. - 12/8/2003
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice - 2/4/2004
Rep Kaptur, Marcy - 10/16/2003
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. - 9/16/2003
Rep Lantos, Tom - 11/21/2003
Rep Lewis, John - 9/16/2003
Rep McDermott, Jim - 9/16/2003
Rep McNulty, Michael R. - 9/16/2003
Rep Millender-McDonald, Juanita - 9/16/2003
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. - 10/20/2003
Rep Neal, Richard E. - 10/8/2003
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 9/16/2003
Rep Olver, John W. - 9/7/2004
Rep Owens, Major R. - 10/28/2003
Rep Payne, Donald M. - 10/8/2003
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille - 10/8/2003
Rep Ryan, Tim - 11/5/2003
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. - 11/21/2003
Rep Serrano, Jose E. - 9/10/2003
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 9/16/2003
Rep Strickland, Ted - 2/4/2004
Rep Tauscher, Ellen O. - 9/16/2003
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 9/10/2003
Rep Van Hollen, Chris - 12/8/2003
Rep Waxman, Henry A. - 9/10/2003
Rep Wexler, Robert - 10/16/2003

[JackieO]

13. hi cosmicdot

Do you know the number of the appropriations bill that was passed on Saturday?

[cosmicdot]

18. would it be the one listed at the top?

H.R. 4818 ?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm

YEAs ---65 (note the Dems voting yea)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nickles (R-OK)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---30
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Hagel (R-NE)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
McCain (R-AZ)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stabenow (D-MI)

Not Voting - 5
Biden (D-DE)
Campbell (R-CO)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hollings (D-SC)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00215

[JackieO]

19. perhaps

So far I can't find anything relevant to the NFI in it.

I did a search for "State Incentive Grants for Transformation" on Thomas and the only thing that came up was Ron Paul's proposed Let Parents Raise Their Kids Act...

:shrug:

[JackieO]

21. I called Ron Paul's office today

I called Ron Paul's office today and according to the person I spoke with the relevant bill is HR4818. He told me that $20 million had been allocated for states to implement the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission. I asked where in the bill I could find the relevant language pertaining to this and he told me that it was one line buried somewhere in the accompanying committee reports. He didn't provide an item number so I don't see how I can possibly find it in the pages and pages of legislation there.

Hopefully more information will be forthcoming.

[City Lights]

15. Thanks for all the info., cosmicdot.

:hi:

[JackieO]

9. What is the bill #?

Does anyone know?

[JackieO]

14. kick

@

[JackieO]

17. again

@

[George_S]

11. So it and the abortion bill passed?

What happend to the fight?

[azoth]

20. kickin this. It's too important to vanish.