I Don't Know About The Rest Of You, But I Am Burnt Beyond

[MsConduct]

recognition. Here we are, all in a tizzy, while Kerry and the party we put all our hope and trust in, just drifts off into the sunset! Not even with so much as a whimper. WTF is wrong with this picture?!

We're upset about the stolen election, they're not.

We are wracking our brains trying to find a way to fix things, they're not.

We are out here 'keeping the faith', they're not.

Except for our fellow libs, we are pretty much out here alone. No encouraging words are coming our way from 'our' leaders. Now, I'm not suggesting we throw in the towel. I'm just looking for a way to light the fire under 'their' asses! Any ideas? My brain is fried.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Ho do you know they're not? Did you talk to John or John?

[Guaranteed]

Should we have to call up our "leadership" in order

to get it?

[MsConduct]

9. Thank You, My Thoughts exactly! They are the 'leaders'. n/t

[jdj]

60. I was thinking of starting a thread talking about my own frustration

but I didn't. Thanks for doing this.

I don't know what is up Kerry's ass, I feel like a political orphan.

[MsConduct]

67. You should start your own thread. I'm sure I haven't covered...

everything. You figure if each of the 50 plus million of us just had one bitch...well, you get the picture.

Could it be his own head that's up Kerry's rectal passage area? You're not alone in that orphanage, fer sure.

[Ladyhawk]

83. Me too.

And I'm not buying the whole "Kerry is working behind the scenes" idea. If I'm proven wrong, I'll apologize.

I'm pissed off that we have to be our own media and now our own leaders. I'm in no shape physically or emotionally to do either, but I'm trying anyway. Screw the spineless Dems that did this to us.

[Pepperbelly]

5. I am a very loyal Democrat, my friend, but I do not feel as though ...

either of them "have my back" at this juncture. As a matter of fact, it doesn't feel as though anyone does.

[malmapus]

93. My feelings exactly

..

[tjdee]

2. It's bad when the Ukraine has more going for it than us.

Since we're King Democracy or whatever we're supposed to be.

That news from the Ukraine makes me very, very sad.

[Liberaltarian]

8. what news from the ukraine...?

apparently i missed something?

[JaneDoughnut]

15. They may be recounting their own elections

Due to protests and pressure from Washington.

[MsConduct]

69. Let me get this straight. They are having a vote

recount in the Ukraine because of pressure from Washington? the same Washington that fixed/cheated/stole our election? That does not compute, does it?

[tjdee]

20. Read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1013335

[AgadorSparticus]

96. i'm a little late on this as i've been out of commission for a couple

days and have missed this little gem. i am just shocked by the hypocrisy and irony of this.

now if only iraq can get a recount in january. i think that will make the horror in my world complete. :crazy::crazy::crazy:

[Hippo_Tron]

18. We have JESUS on our side, man!

Bush won the presidency, that means God and Jesus love this country, we have SO MUCH going for us!

[Ladyhawk]

84. Apparently, the difference is The Ukraine has an opposition leader.

Apparently, he urged his followers to protest. And it seems to me we were about to do the same thing when some senator guy running for president conceded...Gee, where is that John Kerry guy these days?

[SammyWinstonJack]

86. On a ski slope?

Windsurfing? Thinking about running in '08? :eyes: :shrug:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. Write them.

Call them. Email them. In ever-expanding numbers. Show them that their constituancies desire their attendance in this dogfight.

[Ladyhawk]

85. Or write the Ukrainians.

Dear Ukrainians,

It appears our leader has no backbone and won't contest an election that seems flawed. Also, the leader's constituents are still fighting over whether or not he has a backbone. I suppose a physical exam would solve the problem, but we can't seem to find our leader. What ever would we do if a Martian ship landed and the occupants demanded that we take them to our leader? I haven't seen him. Have you?

Would you please send us one leader with a backbone and also enough of your citizens to protest the election since we seem to be too lazy to do it ourselves? Thanks. (It might help us with the Martian problem, too.)

The Confused, Leaderless Masses of America

[whalerider55]

4. well, i for one

have decided to withhold sex from them.

they'll come around, eventually.

whalerider55

[MsConduct]

13. Let me know how that works for you, K? LOL n/t

[whalerider55]

16. sure

at least they've stopped badgering me.

whalerider55

[MsConduct]

32. Are you sure that's such a good thing? LMAO n/t

[tjdee]

22. Lysistrata strikes again!

Hmm. There may be something to that.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. For all we know, they are doing something.

But do you really think the bushwhore media would report it if they were? I'm hesitant to assume that nothing is being done simply because the media are so pro-Regime that they are likely to suppress any news that would give hope to the liberals. In any event, we will have to act on our own because even if Kerry is trying to do something we are not likely to hear about it.

[whalerider55]

10. ocelot

i've ranted about this before, but with the astonishing way the blogging community is wired seven ways from sunday into the DNC, the Kerry Campaign and everywhere else, it is beyond inconceivable to me that there wouldn't be a hint, a whisper, a rumor of any involvement on the part of any member of the dem leadership.

nada. zilch. zip.

sure, it's circumstantial evcidence. but sometimes, as freud said, a cigar is just a cigar. sometimes a failure to act is just... a failure to act.

whalerider55

hope i'm wrong

[MsConduct]

25. You are right. There is now way in hell that if anything...

was in the works, someone, somewhere would have leaked something. Nothing that big could be such a big secret for so long!

[LSparkle]

11. I'm with you there

All we get to hear about is BasketBrawl and Peterson Sentencing and Desperate Housewife Drops Towel ... Wasn't all of this supposed to be secondary to REAL NEWS after 9/11? Just this past weekend, the intelligence reform bill fell apart and the Repugs snuck in some weird IRS regulations in another bill but the media focuses on ATHLETE SUSPENSIONS? WTF!

[SaintAnne]

19. depressed by news

frankly a lot of people, including myself are depressed by the news. I will go for days and days not reading it because I get so unhappy. I think a lot of Americans feel the same way, they can easily just shut it out, they don't have to listen. So the media comes up with less depressing things for people to listen to so they will listen.

[Fovea]

7. Is it time we formed our own party?

The American Progressive Party.
Progressive, aggressive, and committed to the destruction
of the Amerikan Taliban.

[whalerider55]

12. some of us have gone...

green, on the local level.

whalerider55

[Ladyhawk]

89. I'm there, too, I think. I tired of the spineless Democrats. n/t

[SaintAnne]

14. hard to do

I like the idea, but it would be hard to do. I mean, who wants to throw in yet another party that has no freakin' chance of ever wining anything. The best I think we can do is reform the democratic party and hope for the best

[MsConduct]

21. There are a lot of 'us' out here. How many millions voted against bush?

[SaintAnne]

23. yes a lot of us

there are a lot of us, but how do we convince all of "us" to go for some new party. and then how do we convince all of "them" to join this new party? why can't we just sit and sort out the DNC problems?

[MsConduct]

28. We have to do something to wake 'them' up! There are enough...

big brains on these boards to figure something out. No one person has all the answers.

[Fovea]

50. I am beginning to think

that if I can't do anything about the evil Republicans
I can at least remove the cruel and false hope the so called Democratic party offers us American chumps.

Actually, if this is the paltry effort that the Dems call fighting, I am gone. Not changing parties. I think I will change nations.

[LSparkle]

17. Whoo-hoo!

Maybe if we had something like this, the media WOULD cover it -- only because it would seem so "out of the mainstream"!

[mike_c]

53. already done that....

Here's a link: http://www.gp.org/

[John Q. Citizen]

24. Kerry adressed the election issue directly and breifly in his email

This tell me Kerry has heard what the grassroots is thinking.

[MsConduct]

27. Addressing the issue in an email doesn't even come...

close to actually doing something about it!

[Cleita]

26. I thought of something today about the influence of the

RW Southern Christians on our election. It had something to do with a post another DUer put up for a new Christian forum, because the forum they had been posting on was becoming increasingly right wing. They also had kicked off all the Catholics. It suddenly struck me that could it be Kerry lost because he was a Catholic?

I wonder how many ministries pushed votes for Bush because Kerry was a Catholic? It just seems that so many working class people wouldn't have voted against their best interests unless there was a real bias there that was fed into by the PNAC religious right mafia and their poisonous bigotry that they put to work for them in this election.

Perhaps this is why things are so quiet. I'll bet the Kerry campaign is just as stymied as we are and are trying to backtrack where they went wrong. I'm sure they feel the same as we do, that not all the rocks have been turned up to reveal the truth hiding under them.

[MsConduct]

31. If Kerry lost because he's Catholic...

then we've slid back even farther back than the 60's as far as enlightenment goes! Now that's a really scary thought, you know?

I want to hope, like the rest of us, that great things are going on behind the scenes. But I'd rather know great things are going on. We have a right to know, don't you think?

[jhain]

44. doubt it since many priests were insisting...

doubt it since many priests were insisting their parishioners vote for Bush

[UNIXcock]

29. 2008 - beating a dead horse does no good

Why are so many killing themselves over something dead and gone?

... Would you want Kerry back now that you see how he's treated all of us that spent money on his campaign and supported his platform?

[bigtree]

30. yeah

we've really got it together here, working harder than a 30 year public servant. :eyes:

Maybe we could all get together and . . . oh, never mind . . .

[jokerman93]

33. I was listening to a clear channel station

I was listening to a clear channel station the other night...mostly out of a perverse sense of horror. The woman DJ who called herself "Delila" was swooning about praying for our troops, and how "wonderful" the future is going to be...

This was NOT a "christian" station.

I'm scared. It feels like some kind of alternate manufactured consciousness has descended on us and devoured what's left of America's grip on reality. The message seems to be, even from our leaders, that what has happened is inevitable. A new version of reality has subsumed America. It looks fresh, clean and bright on the outside, but it's cloying, false and eaten with lies and tyranny on the inside.

I fear our "leadership" is going along with the path of conquest, and what I'm calling the new American "soft fascism" - soon to harden all around us. The term "underground" may be precisely what we are now --and haven't really accepted it yet.

They wanted to bury us didn't they?

I hope I'm wrong. But I've felt completely disenfranchised since November 2nd.

[hippiegranny]

34. are you in Phoenix?

We have this sappy DJ named Delilah who has a totally smarmy dedication show on a lite rock station. I avoid it, mostly because of Delilah and her syrupy, nauseating voice. Well ok, the music sicks too.

[jokerman93]

38. I'm the bay area CA

But it sure sounds like the same dumbass DJ!

Probably syndicated for greater effect! lol.

[MsConduct]

39. Yeah, there seems to be some kind of....

mass hypnosis going on. I think we (libs) must have been flying under the radar. You might be right that the term 'underground' is prophetic. And that is a frightening thought.

I can relate you your feelings of disenfranchisement(a word? if not, I'm proclaiming it one). These last 4 years have been the first time in my life that I have felt like a stranger in a strange land.

I will have to truly dead for 'them' to bury me my friend.

[LizW]

35. The huge, indelible handwriting is on the wall

I've tried to ignore it. I really have.

But I got a kiss-off, "thanks for the memories" letter from Kerry today, and I'm just frankly pissed.

John Edwards gets a pass from me because of Elizabeth's illness. I would not blame him in the least if they disappeared from public view for the duration until she's healthy again.

But I'm angry at John Kerry and the DNC. I'm angry at Bill and Hilary. I'm angry at James Carville and Paul Begala, and all the others who are scrambling to cover their asses and save their careers by telling us how we didn't do enough, or the right things, to win.

Oh, and Kerry didn't totally drift off into the sunset. He took the time to try to sway some key people against Dean for DNC head. :eyes:

[MsConduct]

40. That's what chaps my hide the most....

the fact that 'the party' can't even grow a set of, well huevos, and get behind the people that have been behind it. A chicken might have to be the new party mascot.

Oh, and I agree with you about John Edwards. He has much bigger concerns. The health of his wife and the well being of his family is more important than us. He can get back to us later.

And, if Kerry only stopped drifting long enough to screw Dean over, then screw Kerry. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

76. Say it isn't so

I can't believe Kerry would do something like that. I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya! NOT!

[sandnsea]

36. Still no evidence

I will never understand what it is about evidence that people don't get. No evidence. No theft. That's the way it goes.

[Flubadubya]

56. Will you get your head out of the sand and see?

:silly:

[eridani]

92. With no audit trails, whatthehell did you expect?

But there damned well is a lot of evidence of voter suppression in Ohio and changing centrally tabulated votes in Florida.

[Turn CO Blue]

37. NOT SO FAST! Obermann says Kerry is joining effort today

November 22, 2004
Ohio Dems join recount effort (Keith Olbermann)

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/>

Excerpt:
SECAUCUS— The headline might be a little expansive since the national headquarters has not yet echoed it, but it's still pretty impressive as it is:

"Kerry/Edwards Campaign Joins Ohio Recount."

The news release was issued this afternoon over the signature of Ohio's Democratic chairman, Dennis White: "As Senator Kerry stated in his concession speech in Boston, we do not necessarily expect the results of the election to change, however, we believe it necessary to make sure everyone's vote is counted fairly and accurately." White called for witnesses, volunteers, and donations.

[MsConduct]

41. Do you know what Kerry might be doing to make sure that happens?

[Turn CO Blue]

54. Not sure, so I just wrote an email to the contact for Ohio Dems

asking 2 questions:

1. why go it alone - why not join forces with Green/Libertarian efforts to-date? (what a waste, and how party-centric, conceited it seems!)

2. what is significance of this development on a national campaign level? (Meaning, that yes, Ohio Dems are finally involved, but where does Kerry stand on this issue, where does DNC stand on this issue, where is the strong leadership we yearn for?)

Here is the email contact for the Ohio Democrats:
Dan Trevas
[e-mail]

[MsConduct]

66. Wow! Great email, and great questions! See...

I knew we have a lot of brain power on these boards! Thanks for the link too!

[Lorien]

42. How about just "burned out"?

I just feel fried, myself. No energy for anything. Wish I could just curl up in bed and awake when it's over-the problem is, I don't think it will ever be over (unless * gets his Apocalypse).

[MsConduct]

46. I'm pretty much in the third degree burn catagory....

if the 'b' word does get his Apocalypse, maybe we'll be among those who are spared. We are not the evil ones after all.

[Deja Q]

43. Check this site out.

http://www.therealdifference.com/issues2.html

We are not alone.

I see no reason to despise the Greens anymore. Nader isn't hijacking their group and they should not be the scapegoats for him. Not any more.

Kerry made the biggest flip-flop of them all by saying "No surrender" and all that and then bends over backwards almost immediately; not even questioning the paperless voting machines made by banking industries that would otherwise demand truckloads of paper trails.

[MsConduct]

47. Great site! Thanks! n/t

[Ladyhawk]

88. You're right. He flip-flopped on us.

Help is on the way, my ass. If appearances are truth in this matter, if John Kerry abandoned us, I hope the people of Massachusetts sponsor a Green to run against him. AND I hope the Green wins. John Kerry has no business pretending he represents anybody at this point.

I'm really angry right now. I did the ABB thing. I got behind Kerry. I fought the good fight. AND I GOT SCREWED. :mad:

Maybe ABB was a mistake.

[Sterling]

45. I give up, this is pointless.

You are right we have been kidding ourselves for months for nothing. I have no idea what to do about it but I know pretending it's not true is the biggest waste of time possible.

[MsConduct]

48. You can't give up! That's what our ...

'fearless' lib leaders seem to have done. 'If you can't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!'

[Deja Q]

49. A quote to be remembered, thank you for saying it!

:yourock:

A maxim to be reminded, that's the truth.

[MsConduct]

65. You're Welcome! Glad you appreciated it. n/t

[Sterling]

57. Yes it is what they have done and fuck them in the *&^%*)*&^^

That is what I mean by I give up. I wont pretend that the people who are in charge of our so called party are really on our side. Unless the first goal of the party becomes free and fair elections followed by criminal prosecution for treason of all involved in the subversion of our democracy I see no hope that the RW can be stopped anymore than Hitler could have been stopped.

Only sick ironic humor keeps me interested at this point.

[LOCxHippy]

51. Kerry let down people without Internet access.

MsConduct, I feel your pain!
I find myself flip flopping about this whole election. On the one hand, I am very disappointed that Kerry has not been more public about his reactions to his loss or to what it means for the Nation and our future. I have to remember that he raided millions of dollars to audit the election if need be...well, seems he should be everyone's face.

On the other hand, I think that without a lot of verified documentation, he can't be "crying wolf", either. I am sure he is aware of the various reports and articles being discussed and shared. I must keep my hope up that he is waiting for the moment when he has what he needs, without setting off any alarms. Maybe he DOES know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em!

A bigger disappointment may be the media for not at least printing some of the "proof" we are all finding. For Kerry to limit his message and obscure comment to only Internet users is just wrong!His message of thanks should have been on the front pages of every newspaper...

It wouldn't have even been hard to make the vote result how "they" wanted it to.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm

Maybe we should be boycotting the media. I can always find Crosswords elsewhere or read the "Free Press"!
:hippie:

[MsConduct]

63. I think we've all done a lot of flip-flopping. We don't know...

for sure that we've been deserted, but it sure feels like we have. If I was Kerry, I'd have my face all over the news, bitching like some fish wife with pms. To hide in the shadows makes it seem as if he thinks what bushco has done it right. The longer the silence goes on, the more spineless the man seems. I'd rather make a stink and be proven wrong than do nothing.

[newyawker99]

71. LOCxHippy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bvar22]

52. Tired of SOS, but not ready to give up on the Dem Party?

Go here:
http://www.pdamerica.org/

[POTGNE]

55. I am holding out hope

that Kerry is just lying in wait for the whole thing to play out. He's got thousands of lawyers working on his behalf right now, and perhaps they just don't want to show their hand, or suggest anything's even going in their favor for fear of alerting the enemy. (ie. Dumbya's minions) A good prosecutor never reveals his hand too soon, so maybe he's putting his prosecuting knowledge to good use. Let's just keep our fingers crossed. He did put out the message last week, so he hasn't exactly been totally silent, but the media is so damned slanted that they won't report the good things, they only focus on the bad.

[tilsammans]

59. That's what I'm hoping too . . .

As you said, "A good prosecutor never reveals his hand too soon, so maybe he's putting his prosecuting knowledge to good use."

Assuming there's A LOT currently going on quietly behind the scenes, it would be even more delicious to savor when it all becomes public knowledge.

:kick:

[Taxloss]

58. You're not alone. You have friends everywhere.

Close to 80% of the UK population backed Kerry. We are devastated by the Bush win. And because we appreciate how you guys have the odds stacked against you, we're beginning to realise that we have to work as well.

We cannot vote, but we can give time, expertise and mental effort to issues. Plus, our media is working now to provide an alternative - TWO new Iraq documentaries air this week, alongside programmes like "The Power of Nightmares", "America's Dirty Election", "The Crazy Rulers of the World", all of which savage the Bush regime. Number of pro-Bush documentaries aired so far on UK TV? Zero.

Underneath the sicko clusterfuck of Bush and Blair is a strong alliance of two liberal nations. And that allowance exists now, and is saying: hello, we'd like to help.

[MsConduct]

64. Thank you for that. And thanks for the info about the....

documentaries. Are you sure you can't vote? Maybe we could have figured out how to slip some UK votes in there. LOL Kidding of course. We just would have liked to have won fair and square.

[porkrind]

78. Thanks.

I like the idea of your "two liberal nations". It's nice to be reminded that sanity exists somewhere on this globe, if not here. I hope we eventually prevail together.

[Taxloss]

87. More than two. A dozen at least.

I'm beginning to think that there's a corelation between chilly areas with plenty of rain and liberalism. The Pacific Northwest, Canada, the Atlantic Northeast, the UK, the Netherlands, Northern Germany and Northern France, Scandinavia ...

Of course this doesn't explain Alaska, or California.

[Skip Intro]

61. Give the bigger picture time to come into foucs

Trust the guy you just voted for, eh?

[MsConduct]

68. I'm trying, really trying. n/t

[lojasmo]

62. Nader, Cobb, and Badnarik are all over it.

I wish to hell the Democratic party was worthy of their respect and membership.

[brindis_desala]

70. The Ohio Democrats are on the case.

Look guys, we have to be realistic. Let's separate the hurt and speculation from what we know.1) Bush finagled the popular vote which is HUGE 2)the DLC does not give a damn about the grassroots so naturally they pressured Kerry to just move on on keep quiet. 3)We Still don't have proof of fraud only suppression and unfortunately that's nothing new in American elections. 4)Here's where it gets interesting Kerry keeps hinting about a "fight" does he mean it or is he just spinning because the great folks here are keeping up the pressure...doesn't matter....the Democrats HAVE to listen if we keep on hammering otherwise they're toast and they know it. Keep Faith and keep fighting...we'll get there...we have to.

[Dr Fate]

72. The ground troops are the REAL DEAL- the DNC leaders are CHUMPS.

We need to take over or form NEW grass-roots orgs.

The DNC REFUSES to listen to the heart & soul of the party.

They want to USE us as volunteers but then they IGNORE our advice & concerns.

Let them find swing-voters & moderates to do their street work. I'm burnt out on them too.

[Avalux]

73. I AM TIRED OF THESE THREADS

Look - this thing is NOT over yet - no proof we've been abandoned and even if we have - we must not forget we have the power. We can either work together and be vigilant to prove fraud (which is what happened here) or we can throw up our hands in despair and spend the next four years trying to re-invent ourselves thinking we did something 'wrong' while the repugs laugh at us.

[MsConduct]

74. I never said we should give up....I'm looking for ways to fight. n/t

[Harlan James]

75. Time To Move On (So To Speak)

The ways of the Democratic Party leadership may be mysterious, but I think that there is now enough of an indication to safely conclude that the only thing they're planning are vacations. But if they are dealing with the fraud issue at all, it is only to somehow cool off those (we) who believe fraud occured without alienating them (us).

Read any DNC e-mails lately? They're so sad and weak you almost want to cry.

Sure hope events prove me wrong, but I'm not expecting that to happen.

[MsConduct]

77. Thanks for your input. I'm having a hard time...

wrapping my mind around the fact that we are powerless. I want to kick ass and take names.

Haven't read any DNC emails at all. Pretty sure I couldn't take it.

[Harlan James]

80. I don't think we are powerless

...just that those who claim positions of leadership in our party are disturbingly passive.

Here's a radical solution: How about we take over the DNC?

[MsConduct]

81. LOL I'm all for that radical thinking! It's the..

radical doing that I find hard. I didn't march, protest or raise a stink during the 60's....maybe the time has come, huh?

[Leilani]

79. Thanks MsConduct...

Know exactly how you feel & agree with you totally.

From the sounds of many threads at DU, we have lots of company.

The DNC & Kerry are down for the count...it will probably be up to the grass roots to fix this, or it will be broken forever.

[MsConduct]

82. You're welcome Leilani. We need...

some Democratic leaders who will stand and fight. Maybe we should take the party over and call it The People's Democratic Party or the Democratic People's Party?

[Ladyhawk]

90. I'm also tired of prominent DUers being apologists for Kerry.

He should do his own apologizing. In fact, he should be on his knees begging us to forgive him. After that, he should be looking into the voting irregularities (or fraud) that possibly disenfranchised us. Then he should stop trying to find common ground with the thugs in power, as he alluded to in his concession speech.

Look how the Democrats, as a whole, have let us down over the past four years. I can think of only a few that were actually voices for us. Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich come to mind. Other than that it was, "Invade Iraq? SURE!"..."Confirm ________? SURE!"..."Approve the Republicans' budget? SURE!"

They aren't acting like an opposition party. And looking forward to 2006 and 2008 is stupid unless we can figure out if/whether something went wrong with our own election. Even if you don't believe in fraud, it's a voter confidence issue for many Americans. We have to audit. We have to figure out what happened. If we don't the questions will go on and on. And in my opinion, we'll be totally silenced.

Personally, I don't think Kerry will be inaugurated in January. That's wishful thinking on the part of some. I don't give a flying fuck whether or not he's inaugurated. He's shown he doesn't have the spine to stand up to the Bush Crime Family. I doubt a Kerry presidency would do little more than slightly delay our slide into the abyss.

[MsConduct]

91. Ladyhawk, I agree 100%. It's pretty sad when...

someone we voted for seems to have no spine of his own. I know it makes me think twice and then think once again....

[ever_green]

94. yeah, it is discouraging. It seems the momentum is fizzling because of it

I don't see how we can get anything done on our own. I hope as much as anyone that they are "working behind the scenes", but I just don't see it. Kerry wasn't angry at Bush during the campaign, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised that he's not angry about the stolen election.

[MsConduct]

95. I know huh? Why do we seem to be more...

bent out of shape than Kerry and the rest of the Dems? it's almost like why did we bother having an election?