Did Poppy Bush know Lee Harvey Oswald?

[Carl Brennan]

Most of this is taken from Richard Russell's book: "The Man Who Knew Too Much".

Did ex-president Bush know Lee Harvey Oswald?


By the early autumn of 1962, Lee and Marina Oswald's relationship was already devolving into constant bickering. Thirteen days before Nagell's arrival in Dallas from Mexico to make some inquiries about him, on Oct. 10 Oswald had suddenly left his job at a Fort Worth metal factory, bid a temporary farewell to his family, and traveled alone the thirty miles to Dallas. Staying for a few days at a YMCA, opened his first of several post office boxes, Box 2915. On October 12 he suddenly found new employment with the Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall (JCS) photo-lithography firm for $1.35/hour. ...

JCS was an interesting place for a 'redefector' from the USSR to find a job. One of the company's contracts was doing classified work for the U.S. Army Map Service. In this context, employees set type for place names on maps of Cuba. Just days after Oswald arrived JCS, pictures taken by an American U2 spy plane would confirm the existence of Soviet missile launching pads.....

....Hundreds of dollars worth of photographic equipment were discovered by the Dallas police in Oswald's apartment ....

Oswald himself was never known to have been fond of taking long cross-country camera hikes in foreign lands. But someone else was. This was a well-connected Russian e'migre' some thirty years Oswald's senior,....Both the wife and daughter would tell the Warren Commission that it was he who had arranged for Oswald's employment at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall. Not the Texas Employment Commission, as official records would have us believe.....

George Sergei de Mohrenschildt is another of those remarkablely enigmatic characters whom we find permeating the assassination's landscape. He was born in Czarist Russia in 1911, his father a "marshal of nobility" who served as director of Nobel oil interests--hence his own title of "baron." He was a world traveler who spoke six languages and boasted membership in both the exclusive Dallas Petroleum Club and the World Affairs Council....

..."He was traveling extensively ..." one of his friends Mrs. Igor Voshinin, would tell the Warren Commission.
The commission took notice that de Mohrenschildt was acquainted with several powerful people in Houston.....Lyndon Johnson: oil millionaire John Mecom...Another friend of de Mohrenschildt was Jean De Menil of Schlumberger Wells Services Company, who in 1961 permitted his New Orleans branch to be used as an ammunition conduit for the CIA.

The baron's affinity for people in high places even extended as far as LBJ and another future American president, George Bush....

De Mohrenschildt's personal telephone book, discovered after his alleged suicide in 1977, contained this entry: "Bush, George. H. W. (Poppy) 1412 W. Ohio also Zapata Petroleum Midland." (Footnote: "Bush name in de Mohrenschildt notebook: Mark Lane, Plausible Denial p. 332.) Lane also notes odd similarities among Bush's Zapata Offshore oil company, the "Operation Zapata" code name given to the Bay of Pigs invasion, and the names of the invasions ships "Barbara" (Bush's wife's name) and "Houston" (Bush's business abode).

....deMohrenschildt later told his wife Jeanne, he was "playing a double game". (pp.273)

...In the summer of 1962, de Mohrenschildt maintained that an associate of J. Walton Moore provided him Oswald's address in Fort Worth, suggesting he might want to meet him. De Mohrenschildt called Moore, noting that in exchange for his services with Oswald, the State Department might assist him with an oil exploration deal he was trying to make in Haiti. (pp.274)

...As de Mohrenschildt eventually wrote in a manuscript about Oswald (reprinted in entirety by the House Assassinations Committee in 1979), his wife, Jeanne, particularly hit it off with the returning defector....(pp.275)

When I told de Mohrenschildt I was a writer, his response was quick. "And I'll bet you want to talk about Lee Harvy Oswald."..."It is all in the Warren Commission. All this new talk is so much lies and bullshit. Nothing will ever be solved, unless somebody comes up with a confession."

"Whatever you write ," he said abruptly, "Lee Harvey Oswald was smart as hell. They make a moron out of him."..."Lee was the most honest man I knew. He was--what?"--deMohrenschildt raised his hand dramatically--"he was ahead of his time really, a kind of hippie of those days....I'll tell you this he did not shoot the President". ..."You hear the way I speak English. I've been here thirty-five years and still I have a foreign accent. And Lee hardly had a foreign accent in Russian, a much more difficult language than English. (pp.278)

I explained I had heard a rumor about twelve hours of taped interviews that George (de Mohrenschidlt) was suppose to have given a Dutch journalist friend named Willem Oltmans.....Jeanne was adamant that she didn't want them out....they decided to write their journalist friend and tell them not to release them under any circumstances.... .

In 1974 de Mohrenschidlt had written the journalist a letter that said in part: "In case of my removal from the scene--by assassination or otherwise--you will be able to sell the tapes.....According to Oltmans, in 1975 the finished film would mysteriously disappear from the Dutch Broadcasting Corporation's archives..... (279)

A few days after de Mohrenschildt's death, Oltmans told newsmen in Washington that de Mohrenschildt had revealed to him: (1) Cubans "who thought that President Kennedy had betrayed them at the Bay of Pigs" had fired at the same time as Oswald and (2) deMohrenschildt had served as a middleman between Oswald and Dallas's wealthy H.L. Hunt oil family . " Mr. deMohrenschildt indicated to me very strongly that his ties upward were toward H. L. Hunt and downstairs to Lee Harvey Oswald." (pp281)

"Billionaire Texas oilman H.L. Hunt, said by ex-employees to have purchased the first copy of the Zapruder film and ordered a check on security surrounding Oswald in custody..... (pp.410)



...via the Oltman's account, de Mohrenschidlt was murdered by two men. They first offered him safe passage to Mexico, and they also asked him to sign a false document drawn on up by the CIA. ...these experts know only too well how to make it look like a suicide." pp.282


After I alerted Nagell to the impending publication of Morrow's book, in mid-May of 1976 he sent a certified letter to then CIA director George Bush. Nagell wrote: "I am now advised by a 'most reliable source' that while Mr. Morrow claims to have received much of his information about me from people in the Cuban exile community, a substantial portion of his account actually is based on an unsupported allegations furnished to him by a CIA official who retired in 1974. (pp.409)

Five hours after the assassination, Ily Mamantov, who had never seen Oswald, received a phone call from Jack Crichton asking him to serve as interpreter for the interrogation of Marina. Crichton was, in 1963, the president of Nafco Oil & Gas, Inc., and a former head of Military Intelligence. According to information uncovered by the Garrison investigations, Crichton had been among a small group of Army Intelligence officials who met with H.L. Hunt soon after the assassination.


.....George de Mohrenschildt, in his Warren Commission testimony, would describe Mamantov as the one "excessive rightist" of the Dallas's Russian e'migre' community.
Interestingly Mrs. Igor Voshinin told me in 1992 that Mamantov "knew George Bush very well". Bush was president of Zapata Oil in Houston in 1963. "Mamantov died recently," said Voshinin, "but he told me that he had received a very charming letter from President Bush. I remember one line: 'You and I did it'." (She could not recall the context.) (pp.680)

.....After the Watergate break-in where several ex -CIA men and Cuban exiles were caught in 1972, Richard Nixon expressed worry on the White House tape-recording system that this might open up "the whole Bay of Pigs thing." Nixon's chief of staff, H. R. Haldeman later wrote of his belief that the president was really talking about the Kennedy assassination.

The money and checks found on these 'plummers' was traced to a bank in Mexico that Bush used extensively (Yergin, 'The Prize'?)

George Bush, a Texas oilman in 1963, is also found on the periphery of the assassination. As noted earlier in this book, his name appeared in George de Mohrenschildt's personal notebook and
bush was a friend of Marina Oswald's translator, Ilya Mamantov. When George Bush became CIA director (1976-78), Nagell is on record as having written to him about Robert Morrow's book "Betrayal"

The White House has denied that the president was the "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" identified in a November 1963, FBI memorandum as having been briefed by the FBI on the reaction of Miami's Cuban exiles. But there is no denying the existence of another recently released FBI memo, which begins:

"On Novermber 22, 1963, Mr. George H.W. Bush, 5525 Briar, Houston, Texas, telephonically advised that he wanted to relate some hearsay that he had heard in recent week, date and source unknown. He advised that on James Parrott had been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston."

An FBI investigation into Bush's charge failed to turn up any connection whatsoever tying James Parrott to the assassination. Parrott was then an active member of Houston's Young Republicans, who had been involved in picketing members of the Kennedy administration. Bush was then serving as campaign manager for future Republican senator John Tower. Since Parrott's group had come out strongly against a then nascent alliance between Texas Republicans and representatives of the petroleum industry, Bush and Parrott were political enemies..... (pp. 709-10)



".....A document dated November 29, 1963, from John Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI, to Director of the Bureau of Intellignece and Research in the U.S. Department of State, identified Bush as a CIA asset. Referring to information given to the CIA, Fbie Director Hoover worte of the person providing the information:

The substance of the forgoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963 by Mr. W.T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

Attached to the letter was a self-explanatory FBI report:

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DL 89-43
HJO: mvs

Re: James Milton Parrott

Houston on November 22,1963, advised that George H.W. BUSH, a reputable susinessman, furnished information to the effect that James Parrott has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston. A check with the secret Service at Houston, Texas, that agency had a report that PARROTT stated in 1961 he would kill President Kennedy if he got near him.

[FarLeftRage]

1. It is a well known fact

That both poopy b*sh and nixon were both in Dallas some 41 years ago...

Just what the two of them were doing there, is anyone's guess.

[seemslikeadream]

2. Barb Bush and georgie were there too!

[FarLeftRage]

4. Oh, I don't think so...

Family members of reich-wing cia operatives were never allowed to go out on covert operations...

[Carl Brennan]

5. LOL. I'm sure you got that from first hand knowledge, hee.

}(

[seemslikeadream]

6. Well maybe mama thought georgie should see the parade that day

because I heard Michael Beschloss on Imus saying that they were there!

[gordianot]

15. Years later Nixon could not remember where he was when JFK was shot.

That was during the Watergate mess and he was drinking heavily.

[hippiechick]

18. At one point he claimed he was at a PepsiCo board meeting ...

He was on the board, or a consulting lawyer, or some such ... as his reason for being in Dallas.

On another occassion, he stated he was in NYC, getting out of a cab, when he heard that JFK had been shot.


:hippie:

[mrbill]

20. Nixon is almost telling the truth here............

He was in Dallas on November 21, 1963 for a Pepsi board meeting. That evening he was at the Empire Room of the Statler Hilton with a group from Pepsi including Joan Crawford.

This was reported in the November 22 am editions of the Dallas Morning News by Tony Zoppi and the Dallas Times Herald by Don Safran.

http://home.comcast.net/~dperry1943/nixon.html

Nixon flew to LaGuardia (sp) early on the 22nd and first heard the news of the assasination when entering a cab at the airport.

[gordianot]

22. That was in the book "The Day Kennedy was shot."

At one time Nixon denied this meeting. In the mid 1970's there was quite a bit of conjecture about this. How many of us remember where we were? Apparently Nixon did not remember when he was asked by reporters. He was also drinking heavily.


I have one point I find curious. Johnson was sworn in with his family Bible. How did he get that book so quickly? If this was a normal civil investigation that question would have been asked.

[ilovenicepeople]

3. Theres a documentary called JFK II The Bush Connection

You must subscribe($5.95 a month) to this website to watch it. www.prisonplanet.tv There are also other films on 911 and the upcoming Police State in America.Well worth the price of addmission.

[Octafish]

7. Poppy Bush knew de Mohrenschildt, who knew Oswald

House Select Committee on Assassinations investigator Gaeton Fonzi went to interview de Mohrenschildt and found he had just committed suicide by shotgun blast to the mouth. So, Fonzi never got a chance to ask the Baron about his relationship with Oswald. What else he couldn't ask about was his relationship to George Herbert Walker Bush, whose name, address, work and home phones, birthday and nicknames were in de Mohrenschildt's personal address book. As were Oswald's.

Kennedy: The George Bush Connection

by Mark Turner

EXCERPT...

Another Bush connection involved George de Mohrenschildt, a rich Russian oil man who lived in Texas when Lee Harvey Oswald settled there after his trip to the Soviet Union. De Mohrenschildt was a long-time CIA agent and quite possibly served as a CIA control officer for Oswald. The Warren Commission described him and his wife as being the two people friendliest to Oswald at the time of the assassination. De Mohrenschildt's son-in-law told the Warren Commission that if any- one had helped with the assassination it was most likely de Mohren- schildt. De Mohrenschildt was also the man who moved Oswald to Dallas.

Shortly before the House Select Committee on Assassinations started meeting in the late 1970's a new doctor appeared in de Mohrenschildt's town. De Mohrenschildt started seeing him and quickly became mentally unstable. His wife convinced him to stop seeing the doctor. The doctor then moved away and left a false forwarding address. The very day the Committee tried to contact de Mohrenschildt about testifying, he was found dead of a gun shot wound. His personal address book was found and it contained the entry "Bush, George H. W. (Poppy) 1412 W. Ohio also Zapata Petroleum Midland." Bush's full name is George Herbert Walker Bush which matches the initials given and his earlier oil company was named Zapata Petroleum Corp. Why was his name in de Mohrenschildt's book? Is "Poppy" his CIA code name?

It is known that in the early 1960's de Mohrenschildt made frequent trips to Houston, which was the location of Bush's home. He told friends he was visiting the Brown brothers, who were close friends and financial supporters of Lyndon Johnson. CIA documents reveal that during the planning phase of Operation Zapata, de Mohrenschildt made frequent trips to Mexico and Panama and gave reports to the CIA. His son-in-law told the Warren Commission that he believed de Mohren- schildt was spying for the planned Cuban invasion.

A QUESTION OF CHARACTER

When Bush was picked to be director of the CIA in 1976, he testified to Congress that he had never worked for the CIA before. Of course, it did not make much sense to appoint a director who had no such back- ground but Congress approved him anyway. Now it would seem that Bush committed perjury in his congressional testimony.

George Bush was apparently high enough in the CIA to help plan the Bay of Pigs invasion. It would probably be safe to assume that he even named the operation and its two ships. Considering the hatred that the CIA felt toward Kennedy over their failed mission and Bush's involvement in that same mission, it would be quite interesting to know what Bush's feelings toward John F. Kennedy really were and what his full role in the assassination investigation was.

CONTINUED...

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/cia-bush.html

BTW: While I have my suspicions, I cannot say (nor do I want to believe) that George Herbert Walker Bush was or was not involved in the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy. Many of the facts, like the witnesses, have been buried in this case.

[Carl Brennan]

8. Thanks for that Octafish.

Kitty Kelley's recent book: "The Family" she cites talks about Poppy as CIA director. (page 347)


....In one memo, dated September 15,1976, he asked his deputy director to look into the news accounts that linked Lee Harvey Oswald's assailant, Jack Ruby to the mobster Santos Trafficante. Bush wrote: "A recent Jack Anderson story referred to a November 1963 CIA cable, the subject matter of which had some UK journalist observing Jack Ruby visiting Trafficante in jail (in Cuba). Is there such a cable? If so, I would like to see it". .....

Still another memo, dated October 4, 1976, concerned an article say-ing that contrary to sworn testimony by Richard Helms, there was a CIA document that indicated a low-level CIA official had once considered using Oswald as a source of intelligence information about the Soviet Union. George wrote: "Will this cause problems for Helms?

Years later, when George became President of the United States, he would deny making any attempt to review the agency files on the JFK assassination. When he made this claim, he did not realize that the agency would release eighteen documents "in full" and "in part" that showed he had indeed, as CIA director, requested information--not once but several times--on a wide range of questions surrounding the Kennedy assassination.....


Why would Poppy lie about reviewing the agency files in the JFK assasination?

[Octafish]

17. Plausible Deniability.

"Gee. Even I didn't know all that."

Which may or may not be true.

Seeing who's on top for 41 years, though, gives me a pretty damn good idea.

OT: Let's keep this going, Carl Brennan. Thanks for a most interesting topic.

[Carl Brennan]

19. Poppy could just claim that he was keeping up

with the latest when he reviewed the files, but some very clever person asked him if he had ever reviewed them and he lied!!! He was trying to distance himself from the crime. Maybe he was unaware that the files were going public.

The CIA dragged its feet every step of the way on investigating this crime as the House Assasinations Committee proceeded. IMO Poppy was "Deepthroat" and he got the CIA position as both a quid pro quo and to do damage control. Poppy was definitely motivated to pull out all the stops to keep "The Bay of Pigs thing" from coming out.

Coincidently Chilean dissident (against Pinochet)Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffet were murdered in Dupont Circle while on Bushman's watch. Poppy denied some things about that murder too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=100104&mesg_id=100104

....Sound familar ?

Faked documents.
Planted 'news' stories.
Bush Family.
CIA.
false CIA reports
bogus CIA assessments
sponsored by US government assassinations.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/092300a.html

read this damning excerpt -

In the new report, the CIA also acknowledged publicly for the first time that it consulted Contreras in October 1976 about the Letelier assassination. The report added that the CIA was aware of the alleged Chilean government role in the murders and included that suspicion in an internal cable the same month.

“CIA’s first intelligence report containing this allegation was dated 6 October 1976,” a little more than two weeks after the bombing, the CIA disclosed.

Nevertheless, the CIA – then under CIA director George H.W. Bush – leaked for public consumption an assessment clearing the Chilean government’s feared intelligence service, DINA, which was then run by Contreras.

Relying on the word of Bush’s CIA, Newsweek reported that “the Chilean secret police were not involved” in the Letelier assassination. “The agency reached its decision because the bomb was too crude to be the work of experts and because the murder, coming while Chile’s rulers were wooing U.S. support, could only damage the Santiago regime.”

Bush, who later became president of the United States and is the father of the current Republican nominee for the presidency, has never explained his role in putting out the false cover story that diverted attention away from the real terrorists. Nor has Bush explained what he knew about the Chilean intelligence operation in the weeks before Letelier and Moffitt were killed.....


When authorities were trying to get Pinochet to face a trial for his crimes it was Poppy who came out to defend that the nasty old fascist fart.

[Razorback_Democrat]

12. And This HAS to Be CIA!

George CIA Herbert Walker Bush

Russian "immigrants" DeMohrenschildt

Oswald

you be the judge

[Octafish]

16. It wasn't the agency.

It was the NAZI bastards running the agency. They work for other NAZI bastards we now know as the Bush Family Evil Empire.

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, Razorback_Democrat! How 'bout them Hogs!?

[bobbieinok]

21. also Bush family friends with family of Reagan near-assasinator

so relationship to Kenney assasination and Reagan shooting

and the 1980 Oct surprise. etc

[seemslikeadream]

9. The Kennedy Assassination:The Nixon-Bush Connection

The Kennedy Assassination:
The Nixon-Bush Connection

by Paul Kangas

Note: All references to "George Bush" refer to George Herbert Walker Bush, Father of George "Dubya" Bush who was "elected" (prez-nit) by a 5 to 4 vote of the Supreme Court.

EXCERPT...

George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed director by former Warren Commission director and then President Jerry Ford, in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member. The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working with Felix Rodriguez. Bush may deny his actual role in the CIA in 1959, but there are records in the files of Rodriguez and others involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that expose Bush's role. The corporations would not put somebody in charge of all the state secrets held by the CIA unless he was experienced and well trained in the CIA. (Source: Project Censored Report, Feb 1989, Dr Carl Jensen, Sonoma State College).

SNIP...

On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the "smoking gun" conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, discussed how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their conection to "the Bay of Pigs thing." Haldeman, in his book The Ends of Power, reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as "the Bay of Pigs."

On that transcript we find Nixon discussing the role of George Bush's partner, Robert Mosbacher, as one of the Texas fundraisers for Nixon. On the tapes Nixon keeps refering to the "Cubans" and the "Texans." The "Texans" were Bush, Mosbacher and Baker. This is another direct link between Bush and evidence linking Nixon and Bush to the Kennedy assassination.

In the same discussion Nixon links "the Cubans," "the Texans," "Helms," "Hunt," "Bernard Barker," Robert "Mosbacher" and "the Bay of Pigs." Over and over on the Watergate tapes, these names come up around the discussion of the photos from Dallas that Nixon was trying to obtain when he ordered the CIA to burglarize the Watergate. (Source: Three Men and a Barge", Teresa Riordan, Common Cause magazine, March/April 1990, and San Francisco Chronicle, May 7,1977, interview with Frank Sturgis in which he stated that "the reason we burglarized the Watergate was because Nixon was interested in stopping news leaking related to the photos of our role in the assassination of President John Kennedy.")

After Nixon's landslide victory in 1972, he knew he had to centralize all power into the White House to keep his faction in power, not only to hold power, but to prevent the media from digging into how he secretly shot his way into the White House, just like Hitler shot his way into control of Germany. The first thing Nixon did was to demand signed resignations of his entire government. "Eliminate everyone," he told John Ehrlichman about reappointment, "except George Bush. Bush will do anything for our cause." (Source: Pledging Allegiance, Sidney Blumenthal.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

Thanks to Octafish for this link

[info being]

14. That is very interesting reading

I recommend everyone follow that link and read the whole thing.

[knight_of_the_star]

10. Of all those interviewed by the Warren Commission

Poppy was the only one who didn't say where he was on that day.

[Carl Brennan]

11. An update on that. Apparently according to Kitty Kelley's book,

he was at some function giving a speech in Dallas when the shooting occurred. It is before the assasination, the days previous, that I would like to know what he was doing.

[VaYallaDawg]

13. Wow!!

Who in the heck WASN'T in Dallas that day???