"Every glass of orange juice you drink helps rebuild Florida!"

[aquart]

Just heard this commercial.

I'm sorry, but do I WANT to rebuild Florida?

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Riiiiight. Switching to cranberry.

[Fovea]

2. Thank Gods I am diabetic

or I might just miss the stuff.
Sugar free tang does not, as far as Iknow, rebuild florida.

[NC_Nurse]

3. Wrong.

I doubt the citrus industry is helping all the homeless people.

Jeb and his friends are using this like they use EVERY thing they can.

:puke:

[aquart]

10. I had that suspicion.

Katharine Harris is an oj heiress.

[secedeeconomically]

138. Shes OJ's slut

[donheld]

48. Right

i'm sorry true or not that is what the ad says

[proud patriot]

4. Orange Juice gives me heartburn

Can't drink the stuff

[underseasurveyor]

32. Me too. The made from concentrate stuff anyway. That's why I buy

California citrus (when I can find it) and juice my own. Fresh squeezed oj doesn't give me heartburn and it tastes better :9

[L84TEA]

5. I never really liked it anyhow...

You could always start a statistic...
like... "Orange juice can cause _________ !"

I think I read once that 99.9% of statistics are made up ...but most people believe them anyhow.

:shrug:

[IkeWarnedUs]

87. How about

"Orange juice can cause Republican leadership!"

That would make me switch to apple juice.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

6. Because many of its citizens have been decimated by hurricanes.

Jesus man...Show some fucking humanity!!!

Not EVERYTHING is about politics!

[Texasgal]

9. Completely agree!

Good GOD! Floridians have been battered over and over again by hurricanes this summer! Sometimes I am shocked that I am on a "liberal" website!

Thank you reality for pointing that out!

SHEESH!

[QC]

51. Yeah, liberal compassion is a beautiful thing, isn't it?

Sometimes this place is little more than a mirror image of Freak Republic.

[jayfish]

96. You Gotta Go Along To Get Along Right?

I think you miss the point of the "you broke it, you bought it" sentiment here on DU as of late. 52% percent of the country do not want our compassion so why extend it to them. A large chunk of those people don't want us here at all. So why not oblige them? Let them have four years of "rugged individualism" and "pulling themselves up by their boot straps"? Some times you have to administer a little "tough-love". Isn't that the, truly, compassionate thing to do?

Jay

[aquart]

97. It's the compassionately conservative thing to do.

The fewer people who can live in Florida, the fewer electoral votes. I have NO interest in rebuilding Florida.

Neither, it seems, has God.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

100. Somehow, I doubt you give a shit about "God".

But that's not stopping you from using His name to make some kind of vindictive point, is it?

WOW!!!


..........

[jayfish]

115. And You Know That God Is Male How?

I bet you don't believe in ghosts, but I'll also bet you loved Ghostbusters. Lets not play semantic games, ok?

Jay

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

121. What?

OK...Forgot the Ghostbusters stuff...

"He" is refered to as "He" in the bible. Good enough for me.

[jayfish]

125. Why Does An All-Powerful Diety...

concern himself over such trivialities as sexual orientation? Seems a-bit beneath "the man" don't ya think? Hey, maybe "he" was too worried about gender issues to stop a red-state from being pummeled in the first place.

Jay

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

136. You can mock Him all you want...

...but in the end, you'll either go to Him or you'll not be very happy...For eternity.

Your choice...I personally hope you chose well.

[SammyWinstonJack]

149. Oh GAWD!

:puke: Why don't you keep your religious 'Invisible Man in the sky' beliefs to yourself? mmmkay?

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

152. Why don't you not tell me what to do?

And I'll do the same in return.

mmmkay?

[mondo joe]

150. What kind of sadist could be in heaven knowing...

What kind of sadist could be in heaven knowing most of humanity is burning in hell forever?

What a messed up screwy system.

Frankly, if your god were real that weould be the best incentive to go to hell instead.

[jayfish]

151. I Choose...

dirt. How does the saying go? Ahh... better to serve.. no. Better to reign in hell then serve in heaven. Ya, thats it. I appreciate your sentiment but I don't believe in any of it.

Jay

[Moloch]

154. Yeah, Brother Pat Robertson PROPHECIZED the hurricanes.....

because of gays running nilly willy around Disney World. Florida is simply experiencing divine retribution.

Sheesh, Orange juice is good and good for you. There are a lot of people in Florida who do not deserve to be ravaged by hurricanes.

[QC]

106. 3,583,544 of us here in Florida voted for Kerry.

But hey, what are mere facts when one has a good hate-on raging, right?

[jayfish]

113. Yes It's Very Therapeutic.

Things will return to normal once everyone gets their anger out. If not, I have one word of advice. ...move.

Jay

[QC]

118. Some of us have to work for a living.

So we don't have the luxury of packing up and moving every time we don't like the way an election goes.

When you're finished "getting your anger out" and feel like rejoining the real world, let's talk.

[jayfish]

122. Will Do -NT-

Jay

[Fovea]

72. Uh, I sent money to the Red Cross specifically

because of FL twice this year.

But buying Orange Juice will only help the wealthiest Floridians, and migrant labor.
I have relatives in FL, for Goddess sake.
This is a cynical advert, not an honest plea for help.

[aquart]

13. You show me where agribusiness is rebuilding homes.

I'll run right out and buy half a gallon.

Honestly, do you really believe everything they tell you on TV???

[Texasgal]

15. Rebuilding homes?

How about employment? Benefits for families? Do you think that maybe some of these employees have been affected by the storms and desperatly NEED their jobs?

Stop thinking about the Bushie connection for a change and think about the people who have been affected, it's not just OJ!

JEEEZ!

[Name removed]

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[DrWeird]

22. The majority of its citizens...

voted to decimate Iraq.

I'll do without their orange juice, thank you very much.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

60. Fine.

Perpetuate the hatred.

How DARE they get hit by hurricanes AND have neigbors who might have voted for the Idiot???

SCREW THEM!!!!

[RetroLounge]

144. Please remove your Dean Avatar.

He has a backbone.

RL

[St. Jarvitude]

43. I doubt a significant number of Floridan citizens are orange plantationers

Despite what the orange juice commercials may say.

[FlaGranny]

92. Yes, they have, but,

drinking orange juice is not going to help them much. If my own orange trees are any indication, there is not going to be that much Florida orange juice this year anyhow - one tree ripped to shreads with one surviving branch and the other stripped of more than 3/4 of its oranges. Drinking lots of juice won't even do much for the orange growers. They have lost most of the crop. It will help the field workers employment status, though.

[CAcyclist]

7. California makes orange juice too

and oranges. I am boycotting Florida oranges and orange juice.

[Bluzmann57]

8. Of course there's always California Orange Juice

and as far as Florida, those people down there lost a lot during all the hurricanes, nothing wrong with helping them out.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Not me...every glass I drink..means my neighbor has a few less oranges

on his tree.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. Not me...every glass I drink..means my neighbor has a few less oranges

on his tree.

[City Lights]

14. I haven't bought a thing out of FL since the 2000 coup.

I don't intend to start now. My tax dollars are already going to help the people of FL. If further assistance is needed, I'd prefer to make a direct donation rather than use a go-between like the FL OJ industry. :eyes:

[thebutterman]

16. let them rot

I say let them all rot in hell. They deserve what they got!

If GORE was pres. this would of never happened.

[City Lights]

17. Ooooo-kay.

Whatever you say.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Texasgal]

18. What... they would have never been

battered by a series of Hurricanes????

[aquart]

53. If the hurricanes are the result of global warming.......

Had President Gore signed Kyoto then yes, it's possible that international steps would have begun which prevented these disasters.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

105. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

YOU'RE KIDDING, RIGHT???

WOW!!!!


(Yes, I saw the post that solicited your reply, but didn't respond because the person is obviously a disruptor...But then I saw yours, and am thinking that you might be serious!! Please...Tell me that in the name of all that is holy and non-holy, that you're KIDDIN????)

[Misunderestimator]

26. "America and I love it".... hmm.... Welcome to DU, thebutterman

*sniff* :toast:

[kdmorris]

45. As a DUer from Florida,

I say, Thanks for the warm wishes! Gore WON Florida, ya know.

And, at least 48% of Floridians this time around thought Bush should go, me included.

While I can see not wanting to support the OJ industry and not subsidize the Jeb Bush Government, I think your sentiments go a little far.

And Welcome to DU, I guess. :hi:

[aquart]

135. Gore won and you had 4 years to fix the mess.

Made it worse instead. You KNEW what happened and it still happened again.

[kdmorris]

155. What the hell did I do to you?

I've BEEN fighting for this not to happen. For FOUR long years. It still happened again because no one fucking listened (with the exception of Kendrick Meek and Robert Wexler), not because we all gave up.

I SAID that I could understand that you wouldn't want to support the orange juice industry, especially since they exploit immigrants terribly. I think that the whole "Drink Orange Juice and help Florida rebuild" thing is a load of shit, since we "common" folk will never see a penny of any money that corrupt lot collects.

My only problem is with the exact sort of asinine arrogance that you yourself display. I took exception to thebutterman saying:

"I say let them all rot in hell. They deserve what they got! If GORE was pres. this would of never happened."

And I still say that's a pretty harsh way of talking about people like me who worked damned hard to stop this from happening. I'm kind of sick of the whole "Everyone in the red states can drop dead, cause they all suck" sort of mentality. I live in this state, I work here, and it's not as easy as just "leaving and moving to a blue state".

Are you willing to support me, my husband, my three teenage daughters, my 2 dogs, 2 rabbits, cat and 3 guinea pigs in your blue state until I am able to find a job as a computer programmer making the same amount (comparably) as I do now. Oh, yeah, you have to not only support me, but let me and this tribe live with you until we can find a house to buy that isn't going to cost an arm and a leg, with a nice interest rate on it, like the house I have now.

Because, if you are not, get the fuck off my back.

[Blue Wally]

54. You mean that Gore could have stopped the hurricanes??

Or that the Bushies caused the hurricanes by turning on their Wind Machine??

[Miami Liberal]

98. Many of us voted for Kerry and Gore

and worked damn hard in Florida in both elections. Dems here are just as heartbroken about the outcome as the blue states. Don't be so hard on us.

[Anakin Skywalker]

20. Why Should I Help Florida?

It's been consistently a Rethug territory.

Umm...and as for hurricanes? Well, supposedly god causes those so the rednecks are OK with it. It is this same attitude that brings them to vote for that "godly man" (hey, their words. I'm not making this up!) shrub. Screw them!

[Texasgal]

21. Why?

Because there are HUMAN BEINGS in Florida that have been horribly affected by the hurricanes! Alot of them happen to be your DEMOCRATIC brothers and sisters, and REGARDLESS of that, they are simply HUMANS!

Where's the HUMANITY around here?

You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a comment!

[Anakin Skywalker]

23. Jebba the Bush Can Go Suck it!

The very few and sorely outnumbered Dems in FL should relocate. FL is deep red (deep shit?) and will never change.

Come on. You gotta let us have a little fun! I think you are overreacting to what some here say. It is just catharsis, that's all.

[Misunderestimator]

24. VERY FEW? Where on earth do you get that it is deep red?

Aside from the theft of votes, it could hardly be called deep red. It was a rather narrow theft compared to the other red states.

(On edit, nice edit there... to make it seem less extreme)

[Texasgal]

25. SO WHAT?

Can you take you blinders off for one moment and look at this issue a bit deeper?

What about the people who eeek out a living from sales of OJ? I'm talking growers, harvesters, warehouse workers, drivers, shippers! Your gonna stop buying OJ because their state is RED? What a load of bullshit!

Are you liberal? Please... I would like to know!

[SemperEadem]

133. those that you mention aren't the ones who will see any relief

through that ad.

The ad is a lie--the average floridian isn't going to see any appreciable relief in their finacial plight. Only those who broker in OJ, have stock in OJ producing companies, stores which stock the OJ, etc are going to see relief.

The ad wants everyone to help these companies meet their price projections in the next quarterly report. Plain and simple. If you want to help the average floridian, then donate to the Red Cross or local services which are set up to provide the relief to those who've lost their property to the hurricanes. But buying into this lie, thinking that the money is going to 'trickle down' to the pickers in the field, is naive. If it worked that way, then they wouldn't be 'eeking' out a living, as you put it. They'd share a little more in the profits of the company without it going totally to those who own the company, own the stock and play the stock market on the backs of the pickers.

I certainly didn't see any ads talking about "buy California produce" to help the average Californian when Bush and his ilk robbed the electric consumers 3 years ago in California as punishment for not voting for him when he stole his first presidency.

[secedeeconomically]

139. Well put

[JVS]

29. While I'm about the last person to criticize badmouthing the South...

I must take issue with your statement "The very few and sorely outnumbered Dems in FL should relocate." Come on, Gore would have won if they had counted the votes and even with the disenfranchisement of many black voters and the butterfly ballot he came within a few hundred votes of Bush. I'm not sure how sorely outnumbered FL Democrats are. It isn't Alabama though

[Texasgal]

30. Sorry... I find nothing funny about

making fun of people that have been deeply affected by a natural disaster.

This thread is useless.

[FlaGranny]

93. Do you have room for about 8 million

people in your state? That's about half the population of Florida. The other half are Republicans. Or maybe the other 49 states can take 163,000 each.

[mondo joe]

37. There are people in need in blue states too, y'know,

Florida voted for Bush. Let him sort it out.

[otohara]

42. How is Drinking OJ Helping to Rebuild Florida????

I wondered about this claim and phoned the Florida Citrus Commission and asked them how this will help rebuild Florida? Basically the Florida Citrus Commission is capitalizing on a tragedy. They do not have a fund set up to help rebuild Florida. The guy said, this will help families who "work" for Florida OJ companies to rebuild "their" lives.

Quite a stretch don't you think?

They also are capitalizing on Bush's failue to get enough flu shots for this country. Can't get a flu shot, drink OJ from Florida.

Who should be ashamed of themselves?

[NuttyFluffers]

46. thank god someone asked the next logical question!!

i salute you! it isn't a red-state/blue-state topic, it's a sadistic business ploy capitalizing on trategy topic. yeah, where are those citrus growers' "rebuild florida" non-profits? are they sprining up everywhere? don't think so. none of the people i know in florida are noticing it if they are.

they can shove their callous and opportunistic marketing up where the sun don't shine. tying their marketing dollars onto the suffering of others... talk about amoral.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

94. So according to the FCC (Fl. Citrus Commission)...

This will help families who work for Florida OJ companies?

What about the rest of Florida? Seems awfully greedy to start this major ad blitz (which probably costs a lot money) just to help the Florida orange growers (whose trees have been uprooted by the hurricanes) but not promote other Florida products. Of course, I can't think of any right now...

Nope. Don't feel one bit ashamed by not buying Florida OJ. (I wouldn't anyways: my acid reflux won't let me drink orange juice.)

[nytemare]

27. There are some who think Fl went to Bush

because of his photo ops after the hurricanes here. From what I have heard(not sure if it is true), we got a lot more aid here in Fl than many other states that suffered flooding, perhaps since we have 27 electoral votes and were a swing state.

Pictures of Bush in FL after the storms were all over the newspapers, which were some folk's only source of news due to their power being out. It is possible he got a good amount of hurricane voters.

Many of these red states went to Clinton as recently as '96. If we want to get the Presidency, and congress again, we really need to get some of these red states back to blue.

It is funny though, I was really thinking Florida was going to go for Kerry. I saw more bumper stickers and signs for Kerry in my area. I think at least my county went blue.

:shrug:

[QC]

52. Yes, we do need to flip some of those states back our way.

And somehow I don't think that shitting all over people because their state went for Bush by three or four percent is going to be the way to do it.

[elfin]

28. Drink Mr and Mrs T's Bloody mix

(sans vodka) to wake me up in the morn. Not gonna buy no more OJ.

[kiki]

56. I ain't goin' in no plane, Hannibal...

...and neither is my wife.

[Bluebear]

31. A Bush pimping another tragedy. Go figure. nt

[noamnety]

33. no fl orange juice for me

Unrelated to the victims, unrelated to it being a red/stolen blue state, the FL orange industry appears to donate the vast majority of its profits to the republicans. I won't support that. I'll buy imported oranges before I give those companies my business. If the only way they can support themselves and recover is by contributing to fascism and increasing poverty in America, I can't help them.

If anyone here can find an orange company in Florida that donates to the dems, I'll consider them as a source. Right now it appears Jeb is whoring the misfortunes of others for the economic gain of his lobbyists.

[taught_me_patience]

34. brings up and interesting point about the Florida economy

Florida, a state which has no income taxes seems to constantly need "help" from the federal governement after every hurricane... Hmmm, why doesn't the state raise their own taxes and have a fund to pay for their own natural distasters instead of sucking the teat of the federal government (ie. money from blue states such as california and new york) every year this happens. My tax money is plenty enough to help their economy... THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL I'M GOING TO BUY FLORIDA ORANGE JUICE TO HELP REBUILD FLORIDA! I think its interesting hypocracy that most of these "red" states that belive in "less taxes" and "less spending" are consistently the states that receive the most relative funding from the federal government (ie. they receive more in federal funding than they put in through their taxes). The budget problems in California lie not with fundamental problem with fiscal management, but rather becuase the federal government is taking much more from California than it is giving back... frankly I'm sick of it...

taught
(happily living in california)

[Bridget Burke]

55. Is that why you elected Schwarzenegger governor?

Will he be helping you out with the Federal government? We've seen how he dealt with Enron. Such a tough guy.

And California used to have a fine public school system until your anti-tax crew got into power.

Half-bright groping Nazi on steroids--but he's all yours.

[FlaGranny]

95. What you said also applies

to Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and the Carolinas. Lets just git rid of those states because they keep getting hit by hurricanes. Just raise the taxes on all those people who live in earthquake zones, too. How about those raging fires in California. The northeast has ice storms and floods. Raise their taxes. No government bail-outs for them either. And how about those tornadoes.

Come to think of it, California has some pretty serious disasters on a regular basis, too.

Disaster aid is one of the reasons we need a national government. If you don't want to help your countrymen and women, maybe you're not on the right political board.

[taught_me_patience]

99. I'm just saying its ironic

that a state that has one of the lowest tax burdens keeps seeking federal assistance for every hurricane (seemingly on a yearly basis). If you live in an area that gets hit regularly by hurricanes, then it no longer can be labled a "disaster", but rather an event you must prepare for. Angeles had devastating fires last year and BushCo never declared a state of emergency and no federal funds were sent our way... this is something that I will NEVER forgive Bush for.

When I was living in Hawaii, we had a special tax for a "hurricane relief fund" in case of a natural disaster. Florida should have a hurricane relief fund just as California should have an earthquake relief fund.

taught.

[FlaGranny]

101. I see what you mean

and, now that you mention it, I do remember that * sent no relief funds to California. What I meant was that disasters can happen anywhere and we all should chip in to help out though our tax dollars. Florida is a "relatively" low tax state, but property taxes here are much higher than they are in most other southern states. There are many wealthy people in Florida and one thing they have to do is pay their property taxes. We have a large population that winters in Florida and they pay full property taxes plus whatever they pay in their home states. Also, tourism brings in a huge amount of tax dollars. The state was not hurting for money until the Bushes took over - but I guess every state is familiar with how that worked.

[mondo joe]

35. They can let Jesus rebuild it. I'm buying CA oranges.

Like I give a fuck about Florida.

[Texasgal]

38. Niiiiice....

Glad to see we have such nice bleeding heart liberals here on DU!

[mondo joe]

39. What, you don't think there aren't people in need in California?

Florida is ALREADY getting my help through tax dollars. And they get more than they put into the system, while my state gets less.

If they want a faith based government they can have faith based reconstruction.

I'm choosey about where I put my economic vote.

[Texasgal]

40. You know what?

I'm done with this thread.... your reply dosen't deserve a response. Do what you will...I hope you live your life with peace in your heart.

[mondo joe]

41. Yeah, I didn't think you could respond.

And while California pays an income tax to fund its own way, Florida chooses to live on the tax $ of the blue states.

[QC]

50. You're lying.

Two states -- Florida and Oregon (coincidentally, the two closest states in the 2000 Presidential election) -- received $1.00 in federal spending for each $1.00 in federal taxes paid.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

[gpandas]

74. those pesky old facts...

watch your post drop out of sight, opinion rules on du. thanks for the link. i've wondered if there is a similar correllation with the criteria being, "dollars per student in public schools".

[mondo joe]

75. Honest mistake on FL.

An honest mistake on my part about FL and tax $ - it's in the neighborhood of states that DO receive more than they put in.

[gpandas]

81. i'm congratulating you on post, ...

didn't know about honest mistake, which, of course, strengthens your case. also, meant to say welcome!

[Kaysera]

89. So now we're boycotting states for the "neighborhoods" they're in ?

[mondo joe]

90. Not at all. I'm explaining how I made my FL taxes error.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

61. Hang in there Texasgal!!

I'm a firm believer in doing what's right...And you're doing just that!!

Don't worry too much about the hateful mouth breathers and/or disruptors. They're not worth it. Just keep on staying positive.

:)

[Texasgal]

66. Thank you Tin Foil

I am actually quite SHOCKED that this type of mentality exists on DU. A DEMOCRATIC website. I am ashamed honestly.

I will buy Florida OJ, because I CARE about my fellow man.

How can some of you live with yourself?

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

130. "Mouth breather"?

:wtf:

[mondo joe]

36. I wrote to the Florida Citrus Commission. You can too,

"Thank you for reminding me that Florida depends on the citrus business - I'll be sure to buy only California oranges.

Florida voted for Bush - they can ask him to rebuild Florida. And when Florida starts to care about the rest of the country I'll start to care about Florida.

Until then I'm directing all my purchases to "blue states". And I'm not the only one."

[e-mail]

[Mend]

57. I know a big citrus grower

and ALL he cares about is not paying taxes...and he always votes repuke. If there were taxes, there would be money to help hurricane victims, as well as the other needs we have in this state. Please boycott all things Florida. They are now trying to get rid of Senator Nelson and be all-repuke all the time. BTW, orange juice is terrible for you as are all fruit juices. Pediatricians have long advised against juice because it ruins children's teeth. It is just expensive sugar water which does a big number on your insulin/blood sugar levels....you can get vitamin C in much better ways.

[vanboggie]

153. Just did the same

Thanks for the email address. We haven't purchased Tropicana since 2000 because of Cruella's ties to the company. Now it will be nothing at all.

[fortyfeetunder]

44. Well Newman's Grape Juice is in my ice box

and damn if I am helping any Floridians...

[burrowowl]

47. Eat the fruit don't drink the juice

fructose overload is not good for you and overgrowing of citrus fruits and sugar cane is fucking the hell out the Everglades. Eat the fruit and you get the pulp as well, bulk or fiber good; a 12 oz. glass of OJ has at least 10 oranges or more .... plus oil to ship and produce, plus chemical fertilizers (BTW: chemical fertizers came into being to keep production up for making explosives, since the first use of the ingrediants was for explosives), not good pesticides, etc. etc. Get a few organic oranges and squeeze your own (by the way tomatoes have more vitamin C than oranges, rose hips another good source of C).
In medio statu virtus est: virture lies in the middle. U$ over consumption of everything is not only bad for your health but bad for the environment.

[Fiendish Thingy]

49. I haven't knowingly had Florida OJ since December 2000 n/t

[MadHound]

58. Some of the replies on this thread are sick, over the top,

And are better left to the Freepers. But nooooo, I guess the Dems around here have to prove that they too can stoop to the level of "compassion" that the more radical RWers espouse.

How can you people live with the level of your own hypocrisy? You are outraged every time Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, et al spout something out of right field, yet here you are basically telling the populace of Florida to go to hell with the hurricanes. Look people, there are somethings that transcend politics, and we, being the party of intelligence and compassion, should be able to recognize those issues.

Even in those deepest of red states(which Florida certainly isn't), there are many many good people, both Democrat and Republican. Consigning a whole to the ravages of a natural disaster, and being fucking happy about it isn't the way to win friends and influence people. And gee, don't you think that if one state is brought low by your foolish boycotts, it won't drag down the economy as a whole? Think people, with both your head and your heart, like Democrats have always done. Geez, here I am, a Green, lecturing you folks on how to be good Dems! Doesn't that say something to you?

If you wish to boycott business' and companies that donate heavily to Republicans, go for it! But don't condemn an entire state to hell simply because of who they may have, depending on how many votes were stolen, voted for in the last election. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! These are hearts, minds and votes that we're going to need in the next election if we're going to win. A percentage point here, a percentage point there, and many of these states will rack up in the blue column.

Or go ahead, fucking trash an entire state, consign it to hell, do it with every single damn state that went for Bush this time. It will be a good move for us Greens, because the Democrats in those red states will percieve the Democratic "compassion" and will decide to hell with the Dems, and vote Green instead. It will be good for us, and will lead to the downfall of the Dems. So yeah, on second thought, do it, DO IT! Cut off your damn noses. We Greens will pick up the pieces, and prove what a truly compassionate, intelligent party can do.

[mondo joe]

59. Who "condemned a state to hell"?

How about simply looking out for our own first, and expecting FL to find ways to be self reliant?

[MadHound]

62. Well, in not so many words, posts 16, 20, 23, 36, 37, 39 amongst others

How about transcending politics for a moment, and recognize the plight of your fellow human being. No state, none what so ever can ever expect to recover on its own from such a horrendous run of natural disasters. This is why we have national institutions, both governmental, private, and non-profit, that take care of this. Do you also advocate a boycott of the Red Cross, because God forbid, some of the blood might go to a red state?

Think about it for a minute friend, if your philosophy had prevailed on 911, NYC would still be in shock from the WTC crash. As it is, NYC was back on it's feet within a couple of years. If this kind of "compassion" had prevailed during the various California earthquakes, most of CA would still be rubble. Be careful for what you wish for friend, it could come back and bite you on the ass.

Disaster recovery is not the place to bring up politics. It is the time for us to show the goodness that resides within our hearts. And it is that kind of goodness that can touch a person deeply and transform them. Parceling out charity on the basis of politics only reinforces the hate that resides in people, ultimately bringing about the downfall of all of us.

[mondo joe]

64. I'm a little tired of taking care of FL rather than NY or CA

The FL Citrus Commission is playing business with disaster relief - is politics worse?

BUY OUR PRODUCT to help disaster relief?

Fuck that.

There are people in need in every state, and my $ will be as appreciated in CA as they will be in FL.

[MadHound]

70. And yet CA hasn't had a major disaster, much less four, for years now

And while yes, the FL may very well be using the hurricanes to pump up their business a bit, who can blame them? It isn't like their crop, a major Florida employer, hasn't been wiped, not just for this year, but for years to come(have you seen the pictures of orange groves ripped out by the roots). Trying to pump up a local business is always a method used to recover from disasters. Remember Gullioni pumping up NYC tourism after 911? What if that call had been ignored due to politics. And remember, the citrus industry employs a great number of people in the state, and also nationwide. Many of whom are good Democrats. We're not just talking about the farm workers, but truckers, grocers, distributors, warehouse workers, the list goes on and on. Want to throw them to the wolves too? Damn, Dems ARE becoming more like the 'Pugs every day, not just in the similarity on various positions, but also in the lack of humanity. After all, friend, it might be your neighbor who is put out of work due to the lack of FL OJ.

Sorry friend, but there is no excuse for anybody, 'Pug or Dem, to deny help to a state or region just because of how they vote. What happens in FL affects the nation as a whole, as does what happens in NY, CA, MO, WA, ID, etc, etc. If this is how you truly feel, then you have my pity. For you have not only lost your way friend, but worse, you have lost your humanity. Perhaps you should take a break from politics until you find it again.

[mondo joe]

73. I think the budget constitutes a disaster. How about the energy debacle?

I don't know why you think FL is the only state with troubles.

[MadHound]

76. LOL friend, yes those are problems

But I wouldn't consider them disasters. Besides, those could have been somewhat avoided if CA hadn't decided to elect the Gropenfueher. Grant you, the energy debacle wasn't of CA's making, but then again the entire nation is being screwed by big business, energy woes, and a fucked up economy.

When I'm talking disaster, I'm talking of natural disasters, floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes. Or matters like what happened to the WTC. These are events that should bring out the best in us, the common humanity. Not to be played for political points out of revenge or spite. You whine about Florida and it's hurricanes. They probably whine about half of California living in a fault zone, as Californians wonder about us Midwesteners living in tornado alley, and we wonder about those who live in the frozen NE. Face it, every region has the potential to get wiped out by a natural disaster at any given time. We shouldn't begrudge where a person lives, for we each live in an area that is prone to a disaster of some sort or another, it is part of living on this planet. What we should do, as the residents of a common country is pull together and help those who are in dire need. To not do such over petty political BS(and any political reason for not helping IS petty BS) simply shows that you have lost your humanity. Get a grip, and get it back. Otherwise, you wind up becoming that which you most hate, a ranting souless Freeper, baying at the moon over the slightest of matters, both real and imagined.

[mondo joe]

78. Worry about your own humanity, honey. Mine's fine.

How typical - because we disagree you say I have no humanity.

The fact is there is trouble in every state. Some is more acute, but no more far reaching or horrible for that fact.

For some reason, Floridians get a break on choosing to live in a dangerous place.

Where's the same break for people who live in chronically bad neighborhoods?

Or for people who live in impoverished states?

For the latter groups, a life of poverty or worse is considered part of the package.

My humanity is intact - I'm looking at where my $ will do the most good for the longest haul. And that's where I'm putting my academic, elitist, sushi eating and wine drinking purchases.

[MadHound]

84. LOL friend, how can your humanity be intact

When you let politics do your decision making? There are matters in this world that should, and do, transcend politics, natural disasters being one of them.

Your own questions, and answers, back up this point. You bemoan the plight of those who live in impoverished neighborhoods, as well you should. For that is a problem whose solution has been dictated by political factors. Now you are advocating that the help given to the victims of natural disasters also be dictated by politics? That solution hasn't gone well in impoverished neighborhoods, what makes you think it will go over well vis-a-vis natural disasters?

You bitch about Floridians getting a break for choosing to live in a dangerous place, yet dollar for dollar, averaged out over the years, Californians and Midwesterners live in equally dangerous territory. Besides, hurricanes don't just effect Florida, I remember one of those 'canes did some pretty serious flood damage as far up as NY. Are you going to refuse them money also? If not, why not?

I do not call your humanity into question because we disagree friend. I call it into question because you are electing to allow your politics dictate your actions, even in areas that should transcend politics. If you wish to boycott something that will hurt the 'Pugs, then boycott the businesses that aid and abett them, companies such as Wal Mart, Microsoft, and virtually every TV network. It is more effective, and a lot more humane than withholding your help from an entire state simply because of a political decision.

[mondo joe]

85. We're all making decisions on where to put our $. What's your criteria?

We're all making decisions on where to put our $. What's your criteria? What's on the news?

Your holier than thou attitude is a terrible stereotype of dem thinking.

Of course you've said you're a Green more than you've said you're a Dem, so who knows.

[MadHound]

88. Hee Hee, keep that target moving friend, it might work one of these days

Where do I put my charity dollars. Let's see here, I donate to the local NPR station, for I love classical music(though the news programs have gotten distincly RW as of late), I also donate to my community radio, for I believe in an independant broadcast network. I donate to PeaceWorks, a local activist chapter. National Arbor Day fund, for trees are needed on this planet, and various charities for the poor, for I too was homeless once. I donate to a couple of enviromental groups, and the Greens. And yes, I donated to hurricane relief funds in Florida, just as I've donated to WTC victims funds, and to charities that aided California after the earthquakes. I really do need to donate to DU, but that is going to have to wait until next quarter, since I put my DU money towards the Dems this year. I've also been known to randomly hand out money to those in need, on the spur of the moment. My wife gets exaserbated by it, but having been down myself once, I figure it is only fair to give back what I can now that I'm better off.

And yet here you are, condemning me for a "holier than thou" attitude? That's a laugh friend. I'm simply pointing out to you the road that shouldn't be followed. I've been on such a road before, and speak from experience, experience that I'm trying to pass on to you. If you wish to discount it as a "holier than thou" attitude, fine with me. There are lessons that we all have to learn the hard way, I guess that this is one such for you. Good luck with that, and may you come out the other side a wiser person. Hate is an all consuming flame, and it does not care who or what provides the fuel. Hopefully it will not consume you.

[mondo joe]

91. What a fundamentalist you are.

Let's see if I can simplify for you: I didn't ask where you give,I asked your criteria.

What, for you, makes Florida worth your $ but not California? That it has an acute need? Do you think only the ER of a hospital is worth funding and not the cancer or AIDS unit?

A"nd yet here you are, condemning me for a "holier than thou" attitude? That's a laugh friend. I'm simply pointing out to you the road that shouldn't be followed. "

And you prove it again - you are the one who decides for others what road should or shouldn't be followed. You'd make a fine fundamentalist.

You'll notice, if you look, that I haven't told you where to give, I haven't condemned your choices, I haven't said my choices were the right ones nd yours were wrong.

Again, you'd make a fine fundamentalist - you know what's right for everyone. And you tell people what they'll eventually feel.

You're not far from "every knee shall bow".

As I've said previously, everyone makes choices about where they give their $. And EVERY choice means you're NOT helping someone else. I've made my choices and not condemned yours - unfortunately fundamentalists can't return the respect for individual choices.

[MadHound]

107. And now, somehow, this pagan is a fundy. Will wonders never cease?

You keep harping about CA, and friend, I've given to CA, both for dire emergencies and normal times of misfortune. Gee, I think that one of the National Arbor Days' campaigns was to replant forests in CA. Sorry, I couldn't come out there and replant them myself, but I was a little bit busy doing other things. That is what charity work is about, a group of people, taking others money, so that they can do what you wish you had the time to do. Or something like that.

And actually, you have been rather moralistic(rather I should say hateful) about where others have decided to put their charity. From post 37: "There are people in need in blue states too, y'know, Florida voted for Bush. Let him sort it out." And post 35: "They can let Jesus rebuild it. I'm buying CA oranges. Like I give a fuck about Florida." And post 36: "Florida voted for Bush - they can ask him to rebuild Florida. And when Florida starts to care about the rest of the country I'll start to care about Florida. Until then I'm directing all my purchases to "blue states". And I'm not the only one." And post 59: "How about simply looking out for our own first, and expecting FL to find ways to be self reliant?" The list of your hateful, hard statements on this thread is long friend, and all, ALL based on the premise that Florida voted for Bush this year(though that fact is an unknown, do to almost certain cheating, BBV etc that went down in the state)

That is the voice of pure, unreasoning hate friend, something that I've experienced first hand, and some advice that I'm trying to pass on to you, and anyone else who would care to listen. And as I said before, it looks like this is a CHOICE that you have to make, whether to follow this road of hate to its bitter end, or to take the advice of those who have already traveled it. Apparently you wish to travel it, to see for yourself where such hate can take you. Fine, but don't be suprised when it bites you, hard.

If handing out such advice is somehow being preachy, holier than thou, or a fundy in your eyes, that isn't suprising. Most people of a certain age absolutely refuse to take the advice of their elders, or those who have experienced that which they haven't. The stubborness of youth,etc. But I, and some other people around here feel duty bound to warn you of the error of your ways. How's that for charity friend, free advice, good to the last drop. That you get so hostile and defensive in response is a good indicator that deep down, where the bluster and bravo can't interfere, you know we're right. Yet like a moth to a flame, you are going to keep on this downwards path. Try not to get too burned in the end friend.

I've said my piece, for now. Insult away if you wish, such is the response of those on the wrong end of such a discourse. But answer this one question before you post. If after the next disaster in California, would you expect, and accept, the same criteria of whether a person should give to the relief effort as you impose on Florida? IE, would you be happy with millions upon millions of Republicans not sending relief to help CA, simply because it voted Democratic in the last election? If you can accept that friend, then you are a harder hearted person than I, and alas, your humanity is gone.

[mondo joe]

109. So you're a pagan fundy. There are fundys in every religion.

It's not about which god or gods you worship. It's about your funny knack of deciding other people's matters of conscience for them.

Tell me these aren't the words straigt from a fundy mouth: "But I, and some other people around here feel duty bound to warn you of the error of your ways. How's that for charity friend, free advice, good to the last drop. That you get so hostile and defensive in response is a good indicator that deep down, where the bluster and bravo can't interfere, you know we're right. Yet like a moth to a flame, you are going to keep on this downwards path. Try not to get too burned in the end friend."

I've heard the exact same crap from Christian fundies about not worshipping ther god, about being gay, about a lot of things.

Fact is you're NO DIFFERENT than they are - you have a deeply felt need to think your choice is the only valid one, and that those who disagree with you will "burn in the end".

I think you learned some lessons from the Christian fundys - but all the wrong ones.

And I don't give a fuck where the red states give their $ because the blue states give MORE anyway.

[MadHound]

127. Thank you friend, you're proving my point for me. Hate does rule you,

And every choice you make. Your bluster and BS simply goes to show how far that acid has eaten into your soul. Dare to deny it friend, it won't do you any good to do so. Your very words will belie your protests. For like I've said before, I've been down the road you're treading, and I've spoken the words you say. I'm sad to say, I know where your road is going to end, and it is nowhere good.

I'm not trying to dictate what your conscience should do, my place isn't to dictate anyone's decisions of conscience. But I can, and will, offer advice to those who are willing to listen. But it is entirely up to you whether you wish to follow that advice.

I pity you friend, you seem bound and determined to let hate rule your soul for a time. You know not the cost of that decision, yet are going to blindly pay the price, just so that you can feel smug in your spite. I truly hope that you will learn from your mistakes, and that you do so before hate consumes you. Otherwise you will become that which you now abhor, a hateful, spiteful mirror image of a freeper, making even the most minor of decisions based on political motivations. This is the path that many on the left followed in the late sixties and early seventies, when all that was left of the movement was dispair. Have you heard of the Weathermen? They allowed their hate to consume them to the point of death, both for others and themselves. I hope that you do not go that far.

I wish you the best though, for you will need it on the journey you are taking. Exploring the darker recesses of one's soul isn't a pleasant voyage, and at time ends in death and destruction, both of yourself, and those who are closest to you.

[mondo joe]

140. Spoken like every fundy who ever told me I was wrong for being atheist or

Spoken like every fundy who ever told me I was wrong for being atheist or gay:

"For like I've said before, I've been down the road you're treading, and I've spoken the words you say. I'm sad to say, I know where your road is going to end, and it is nowhere good."

I suggest to you, as I have to them, that you straighten out your own house. You're not psychic, yuo're not god, and you don't know what you're talking about.

[amazona]

103. I think san diego county burning down was a pretty big disaster

I don't know, I was in southern California last fall, which is just about a year ago, by my calendar, and they were having massive fires and wildfires to one point where I felt completely surrounded where I was in San Diego County.

I don't think we are going to impress disaster victims in California with our humanity if we can't even remember that they too have been through the fire -- quite literally in their case.

[Texasgal]

116. What?

Is this now the case of "My disaster is worse than yours?" Nanner nanner boo boo!

This discussion was started when someone asked why they should help Florida.

What is shocking is that people are so damn hung up on this blue/red state crap that they have refused any reasonable, humane conversation.

I buy Florida OJ.... guess what? I also buy California avacados! What's wrong with helping HUMANITY? HUMAN BEINGS??

I have never said in any of mu posts that Californians don't need help, ofcourse they do, sure they have had their fair share of disasters, but to sit there and say that Florida and it's people should go to hell, that's just a damn shame.

[Kaysera]

77. We took care of New York in 2000-2001 ...

... and California after each of it's earthquakes.

[QC]

110. Remind us all of this next time half of California burns down

because yuppies stupidly build their McMansions in dry grasslands. That also goes for the other yuppies who stupidly build *their* McMansions on 45 degree muddy slopes and then are shocked when they slide down into the valley.

Then the rest of us can self-righteously insist that we should keep our money closer to home and let everyone else worry about themselves.

It's really disturbing to see how readily so-called liberals have adopted such cornerstones of reactionary thinking as states rights and replacing public with private charity.

[mondo joe]

114. States Rights is reactionary?

Funny - I thought it was a constitutional principle.

And who suggested replacing public with private charity?

[QC]

124. Ever heard of George Wallace? Strom Thurmond? Jesse Helms?

They were also very big advocates of states rights. And, of course, ole Jeff Davis would feel right at home with all the secession talk here.

As for public vs. private charity, you're the one bitching about disaster relief, not me. I have no problem with my tax dollars being used to assist others who have had their lives turned upside down, even stupid yuppies in such very red places as San Diego.

[mondo joe]

148. States Rights is not an exclusively conservative issue

You may even recall John Kerry stood on states rights with regard to same sex marriage.

With regard to disaster relief: I'm glad you have no problem with tax $ used for this purpose.

What I continue to point out is that every time you choose to direct $ to someone you are also directing $ away from someone else.

I'm suggesting people be cognizant of that and think about where they'd choose their $ to go and why.

[Texasgal]

63. Nice conservative right-wing

Mentality....

I think your on the wrong board.

[mondo joe]

65. No, I'm on the right board.

I believe in civil rights. I believe in accountability. I believe in consumer protection.

Are those not democratic principles?

I thought they were.

What I don't believe in is battered wife syndrome.

[Texasgal]

67. Another democratic principle

would be HELPING your fellow Americans.

[mondo joe]

69. But I DO help my fellow Americans

I give thousands of $ every year to local non profits.

I'm carefully directing my purchases to help other Americans also.

Californians do still count as Americans, don't they?

[Texasgal]

83. *sigh*

I am not gonna ague with you. I thought I was done with this thread, and I stated my last few comments on it, because I am passionate about it.

I am glad that you help others, that's great. But California wasn't hit with a series of natural disasters this year either.

[mondo joe]

86. I don't know why you think only natural disasters matter

Everyone makes decision about where their $ go.

Everyone is choosing to support someone instead of someone else.

Excuse me for using my brain about my own choices.

[Texasgal]

119. This particular thread is about

FLORIDA AND REBUILDING!

I NEVER said that ONLY natural disasters matter.

This thread was dedicated to this topic.

[amazona]

104. CA WAS hit by a series of natural disasters last year

How soon they forget. In late 2003, California was rocked by a series of devastating fires followed up by mud slides. A lot of people killed, a lot of homes lost.

And we've already forgotten about it?

It is fine to make arguments and to be passionate about one's beliefs, but it is wise to make those arguments based on fact.

[mondo joe]

111. I still don't know why someone would think only natural disasters merit

Good point about the CA fires.

But I still don't know why someone would think only natural disasters merit relief. Isn't chronic poverty or unemployment in some states worth a hand?

It seems odd to me that to spend $ in one state rather than another is somehow evil or malicious, just because it's not the one in the news. No matter where you spend or direct $ you're making a choice, and SOMEONE is going to be on the losing end of that choice.

My choice isn't bout who is in the news. It's about helping the people who want to put the country on the right track rather than keeping it on the wrong.

It's just a bonus for me that the governor of that state makes nasty anti-gay remarks which will not be rewarded by my gay $.

[Texasgal]

117. And the governer of California

Calls the dems "girlie men" ......

[QC]

120. And oh-so-enlightened Californians elected a b-movie muscleman

to be their governor.

That's why I'm tired of all these sanctimonious political lectures from Arnold's people.

[Texasgal]

123. Agreed...... pretty funny

isn't it?

[mondo joe]

141. They did. But one no more conservative than Lieberman.

Californians certainly did elect Arnold, and I wish they hadn't.

He is, however, not much more conservative than some people who call themselves democrats.

[MadHound]

128. And there are those of us who are indeed donating

To help with those disasters. Look to the hills next spring friend, trees will be planted there, to replace those that burned. And then don't forget those of us out there(in a red state nonetheless) that helped bring that about.

[noonwitch]

68. I love "Florida's Natural" orange juice, I buy it because it tastes good

I really don't boycott very much, just Domino's Pizza. My family boycotted Nestle for years over their methods of selling baby formula in the third world.

[Isere]

71. I'm boycotting the red states

as much as I can. It makes me feel better.
So sue me!

When the Republicans stop denigrating "the elites, the academics, the leftcoasters, the feminists, the gays, the Volvo drivers, the French speakers," then I'll lighten up... maybe.

Right now I have had a bellyfull of their smears and I intend to stop supporting them and those who vote for them.

[MadHound]

79. Gee thanks friend, living in a red state, as do many other liberals

You're really going to help the Democratic cause with that:eyes: Instead of doing things broad-brushed and half cracked, why not look at who is actually supporting Bushco, businesses that donate heavily, the media who carries his water, the leaders who influence the national discourse, and boycott them? Yes, that will require some research, and damn, you might have to give up things like that TV sitting in your front room. But to do so would be a much more effective, focused boycott than simply boycotting a state.

But then again, hey, I'm a Green, so yeah, please go ahead and piss off all those Democrats in red states. We Greens can them come in and clean up, building up our ranks, while depleting yours. So please, go for it, it is the last foolish move by the Democrats that will give the Greens the critical mass needed to kick the worthless Dems ass out of power.

[mondo joe]

80. I haven't forgotten Jeb Bush's "joke" about the people of San Francisco

"It looks like the people of San Francisco are an endangered species, which may not be a bad thing. That's probably good news for the country."

Ha.

Let's see which species is endangered.

[QC]

108. Yes, because it's all about what makes you feel good, isn't it?

Let's not worry about our essential humanity, or about winning back some of those states that narrowly went to Bush, or any of that stuff. No, let's just approach politics as a tantrum. That works much better.

[mondo joe]

112. Isn't there "essential humanity" in every state?

What should be the criteria for choosing where your $ go?

Should it be whoever is in the news?

[QC]

126. Call me crazy, but I believe that when someone's house blows away

in a storm or burns down in a wildfire or the like, the rest of us should help them out.

At one time, such a belief would have made me a Democrat. Now, apparently, it makes me a fundy and a victim of beaten wife syndrome.

If I thought that the malcontents and misanthropes obsessively nattering away on DU were in any way representative of the Democratic Party, I would be even more fearful for this country's future.

[MadHound]

129. You're not crazy QC,

I think that since the election some people here and elsewhere have allowed hate and dispair enter their soul, and it is now dictating their actions. Hopefully this will pass.

Keep helping your neighbors when their house blows away. Good is still good no matter what people say.

[QC]

131. You know, I rode out Ivan.

Spent that night hunkered down on the bathroom floor, listening to debris hitting the roof and the wind howling. (You know, I always thought that howling bit was just a poetic decription, but it really does howl.) Luckily for us, the eye hit about 100 miles west of here, so we got a really nasty tropical storm and a lot of tornados, but escaped the worst of it.

Not so the people in places like Pensacola, Gulf Shores, Orange Beach, etc. And I feel for them, because in the days leading up to the storm, we thought it would hit right here. So we spent those days nervously tracking the storm on the National Weather Service site as the course changed back and forth, deciding what to take with us if we had to leave, wondering what it would be like for a category 5 to hit our town and what we would come back to, if anything, should it come this way. The last thing on my mind at the time was the political affiliations of the people the storm might hit. Same when it was over and I turned on the news to see tearful people picking through the remains of their homes.

That's why this business of punishing disaster victims is so foreign to me, and so repugnant. I can understand anger over the election--I feel it too--but I cannot understand why so many of us are still wallowing in childish, self-destructive pique three weeks later. If we keep this up, we can look forward to Jeb in '08 and '12, and then maybe Jenna and Barbara.

[mondo joe]

143. I'm again asking a simple question: what criteria determines where

I'm again asking a simple question: what criteria determines where your $ should go?

That someone had their house blown away is the one factor?

Why can't you acknowledge that any time you choose to help SOMEONE you are choosing to NOT help someone else.

How about they have a fatal disease?

How about they are starving?

How about they are brilliant but can't afford college?

So far no one here who is so cranky about my choice can tell me what the criteria should be.

[Sleepless In NY]

134. Humanity by voting for a guy who has killed thousands?

Thats humanity? Florida is anything but a "poor" state. They are getting federal aid as it is. Doesn't sound like we are helping people, but corporations.

[QC]

146. I didn't vote for the son of a bitch.

Stop lumping me in with those who did.

[secedeeconomically]

142. I started the exact thread yesterday and go slammed lol

[QC]

147. Maybe you got slammed

because the whole thing is stupid, impractical, and childish and had been done a cople hundred times before.

[meow mix]

82. mew loves Odwalla and Naked orange juice..argh!

someone plz tell me that one of these are not made with Florida oranges!
or ill have to find another juice =(

[amazona]

102. I grow my own

I grow my own citrus. No offense to Florida, but its citrus has been tainted for me for many years, ever since a year when they had a freeze and they sold the bad oranges anyway. Bad oranges look just like good ones, so the whole industry has to run on trust. They have lost my trust forever. As I live in an area where I can grow my own, this is what I do.

As for the juice, it is not healthy for people to drink the large quantities of juice that they do. The risks are about the same as for drinking soda -- tooth decay, diabetes risk, etc. One glass of orange juice once a week in a Friday night's screwdriver is one thing, but a glass of OJ every morning with breakfast is just crazy. I won't sacrifice my health so Big Citrus can rake in a higher profit.

[leftofthedial]

132. will never drink orange juice again

f**k florida

[secedeeconomically]

137. Yes. Rebuilt it in the middle of Siberia lol

[RetroLounge]

145. Screw Florida, Let God rebuild them

I'll buy California Citrus

RL

[graywarrior]

156. I live in my own world, Florida is just in it

I just pass through it every day, holding my breath, gazing through slitty eyes, hoping no one says anything to me requiring a nasty retort.

I despise Florida. I'd give anything to be back in Mass or NH.