Iraq vs Nazi Germany

[Kali]

Quick I need a rebuttal article (or articulate argument) of why this is NOT the same thing!!!!! Got a relative trying to tell me we are preventing the next Holocaust. arrgghhh

[Eric J in MN]

1. The organization Human Rights Watch

said that Saddam's worst human rights abuses were behind him, and so the Iraq War wasn't justified on humanitarian grounds.

[Kali]

8. yeah -

he sent this Fox news article trying to horrify with a discription of excavating a mass grave - and not to in any way minimize the horror of that, but even the Fox "only" (again it is still horrible) gave a number of 300,000 killed during his regime - shit I have read WE have killed up to 100,000 in just the current invasion!!!

NOT condoning ANY of it but is 300,000 genocide?

Although didn't he particularly go after Kurds?

[Goldmund]

2. Always trying to get you to prove a negative with shitty metaphors...

In addition to laying out all factual differences, which I'm sure other posters will supply, ask them to show why 9/11 is NOT Reichstag Fire and why Iraq is NOT Poland, if we're going to stick with half-assed historical analogies.

[rooboy]

3. Ask your relative which ethnic group or race Saddam was trying to destroy.

Because I can't recall him having a systematic hatred of any single group of people. Hitler really "had it in" for the jews, similar to how the US government "has it in" for muslims.

[Kali]

9. Kurds?

[rooboy]

16. He didn't try to exterminate the Kurds.

In fact, the huge leaking of oil from Iraq into the markets in defiance of sanctions was done with the HELP of the Kurds.

They didn't like Saddam, but he was against them trying to set up an independent state - it had nothing to do with genocide.

[Djinn]

4. there are similarities

most of the world (including the allied powers) ignored Hitler's brutality until his territorial ambitiions became too much - had he stayed in a contained area no-one would have batted an eyelid about the murder of Jews, Romany, Socialists, Homosexuals, Trade Unionists etc

Saddam's crimes were also ignored for a LONG time, in fact the oft reefrence "gassing of his own people" happened at a time when he had solid US backing

"In the months following the Halabja massacre the U.S. government issued licenses for the delivery of biological products to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Agency, for the delivery of electronics equipment and machine tools to an Iraqi missile design center, a bomb plant, a missile factory, defense electronics factories, and a weapons manufacturing complex. In July Bechtel secured a $1 billion deal to provide Iraq with a petrochemicals complex that the Iraqis intended to use in the production of mustard gas weapons, fuel-air explosives and rocket propellants.

The Reagan administration also opposed the introduction of sanctions against Iraq after the scale of the Halabja atrocity became public. After the Halabja massacres, the U.S. granted licenses for dual-use technology exports at a rate 50 percent greater than before, including missile technology and chemical-biological agents. Between 1985 and 1989, the U.S. approved 17 licenses for exports of bacterial and fungal cultures to Iraq (anthrax among them).60"

Also ask them how Saudi with one of the worst human rights records on earth is our ally?

[ComerPerro]

6. And, the interesting part there is

that both Saddam and Hitler, while they were committing their horrid atrocities, were backed and supported by Conservatives in the US.

Interesting, isn't it?

[Kali]

11. good point - there are similarities but not

what the moran is trying to say (justify preemptive war with "Nazi" ends justify the means argument)

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

5. Try the Sudan

Where a genocide is happening as we speak.

But, Iraq vs Nazi Germany.... not even close.

[Kali]

12. yeah

but those are black people with no oil.

[Cat Atomic]

7. Close. Iraq is Nazi Poland.

But at least the guy was half right... sort of. The Nazi part, I mean.

[Strelnikov_]

10. Iraq Is The Dutch East Indies and Dutch Borneo

that is, a resource grab.

"Iraq vs Imperial Japan"

[Kali]

13. oh dear, I'm afraid

I didn't pay enough attention in World History or Geography (oh yeah most public schools don't really teach that) I must confess ignorance here, could you elaborate? Thankyou

And thanks to the rest of you. I wish I could return the resourse favor someway sometime - I always seem to be the one asking for help. DU is the greatest!

[Strelnikov_]

14. WW II, Japan's Move To Grab European Colonial Holdings In The

Pacific for their resources (oil, rubber, iron ore, etc.), as the home islands had little or none of these resources.

They moved into Indochina, the Phillipines, Indonesia, etc. just after Pearl Harbor.

[Kali]

15. oh Ok - I wasn't quite as lost as I thought

Didn't quite read you right - was trying to put Germany there and somehow connecting it to Japan and it just wasn't working in my brain.

[walldude]

17. Uh, you could start by saying

that the Germans were MARCHING ALL OVER FREAKIN EUROPE. Oh and when they start with the Saddam gassed his own people you could let them know that during the 1st Gulf war the U.S. promised the Shiites that they would have the backing of the U.S. military if they were to overthrow Saddam. Well we obviously reneged and Saddam commenced to killing the Shiites with chemical weapons that we sold him. You know that sounds to me like more of a double-cross than a renege.